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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:13:13 AM   
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Just an example: Faery, if the government did not believe in your alien friends, why did they set up SETA (Search for Extra Terrestrial Activity)? How many folks will now google this acronym?


and how many other ET search organizations the gov't had run have been shut down?



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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:15:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		SETI wasn't an agency run by the government per se, it was independent researchers, (some of whom got grants)  'listening' for communications.

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:17:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		do i trust the governtment/the man to tell me everything? no.. i dont wanna know everything.. do i trust/want then to tell me what i need to know.. yes. do they? NO. i do wish they would keep us.. idk more inthe loop of the big things.. u know.. its very confusing when one group is telling u one thing and another group is telling u another thing.. and both groups r part of the gov.. its very confusing.

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:22:42 AM   
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Just an example: Faery, if the government did not believe in your alien friends, why did they set up SETA (Search for Extra Terrestrial Activity)? How many folks will now google this acronym?


and how many other ET search organizations the gov't had run have been shut down?




Perhaps the aliens find it frustrating to take the government seriously as well.


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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:25:05 AM   
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Extraterrestrial Activity would be everything in the universe not found on this planet....I suspect you meant Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence....



Sometimes one does not have to search for validation, it will find you, even if it takes a slight stretch of the facts.

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:26:59 AM   
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Perhaps the aliens find it frustrating to take the government seriously as well.


the gov't offers them CLEAN socks....when the aliens need DIRTY socks....for their fuel.




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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:29:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hanable

do i trust the governtment/the man to tell me everything? no.. i dont wanna know everything.. do i trust/want then to tell me what i need to know.. yes. do they? NO. i do wish they would keep us.. idk more inthe loop of the big things.. u know.. its very confusing when one group is telling u one thing and another group is telling u another thing.. and both groups r part of the gov.. its very confusing.

H >:)


Great post!
Like atursvc stated, we can find sources that will give us many diverging view points and opinions.
When I was growing up, I had no cable t.v., no computer, no internet, etc.
We had about 8 primary channels on our t.v.
Now, with thousands of channels to watch, hundreds of news channels on the t.v., radio and computer, we literally have unlimited sources of information.
  
It's called "Information Overload", so who or what source of news/information do you trust?

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:29:32 AM   
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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:32:18 AM   
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Perhaps the aliens find it frustrating to take the government seriously as well.


the gov't offers them CLEAN socks....when the aliens need DIRTY socks....for their fuel.





ya gotta watch out for those premarital socks

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:33:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Even the most 'objective' of people process information and decide which facts and opinions are relevant. Assuming you're not in a position to do your own research, then every piece of information you receive is prone to the bias of the provider.

Assuming politicians are genuinely aiming to serve the people, they're acting according to their version of 'serve'; and assuming the essence of politics is harmony and peaceful co-existence, then there's no objective truth on that which will result in harmony. So, yeah, they may perceive themselves to be virtuous, and some will act according to what they believe the nation needs - the problem being these actions may trample all over your civil liberties. Tony Blair is the best example of which I can provide - 'totally and utterly devoted to the belief that England has a missionary duty, and he was aware the Iraq dossier presented to Parliament was doctored. For him, the ends justified the means.

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:36:16 AM   
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Even the most 'objective' of people process information and decide which facts and opinions are relevant. Assuming you're not in a position to do your own research, then every piece of information you receive is prone to the bias of the provider.

Assuming politicians are genuinely aiming to serve the people, they're acting according to their version of 'serve'; and assuming the essence of politics is harmony and peaceful co-existence, then there's no objective truth on that which will result in harmony. So, yeah, they may perceive themselves to be virtuous, and some will act according to what they believe the nation needs - the problem being these actions may trample all over your civil liberties. Tony Blair is the best example of which I can provide - 'totally and utterly devoted to the belief that England has a missionary duty, and he was aware the Iraq dossier presented to Parliament was doctored. For him, the ends justified the means.


Wonderful post Gent!
In the end doesn't "the ends justified the means"  normally go  across the board {for most governments?}
 
You all are making me think hard today, I love it!

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:39:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		The government is going to present information that puts the policies of government in the best light.  The government is going to avoid putting out information to the contrary when and where it can.

My ex wife did the same thing.  So did my two boys.  So do my clients, and the people I work with.

It's human nature to spin things to our best advantage.  It is irrational to expect those in government to behave differently.


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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:42:15 AM   
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The government is going to present information that puts the policies of government in the best light.  The government is going to avoid putting out information to the contrary when and where it can.

My ex wife did the same thing.  So did my two boys.  So do my clients, and the people I work with.

It's human nature to spin things to our best advantage.  It is irrational to expect those in government to behave differently.



BINGO!!!!
Thank you so much for this post celticlord!

 The government/government regulated agencies are always going to tell us what they want us to know...up until the end.
So why would, most "thinking" people believe most of what they tell us?
Power to the people!

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:44:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		    i try to listen to what is said, not so much the analysis by secondary sources, and then try to fill in the blank areas as to how the politician, or agency plans to get from what is to what they propose.  i also try to look at the success rate at accomplishing their tasks in general.  "My heart was in the right place" is an indication of failure, not success.  Somebody else got in the way, blocked it, or distracted things is also a statement of failure.  Successes don't often get noticed until they are completed, or in the past.  Perhaps the person or people succeeding do not want to bring attention or distraction to where things are working, or perhaps they are more focused on continued success.

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:47:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		MzMia, one thing I forgot to ask.  What do you mean by "the government?"  The goverment encompasses a wide range of people.  It's cops, teachers, social workers, garbage collectors, dog catchers, game wardens, and so on.  Do you mean just politicians, or authority figures in general?  The reason I ask is, I don't think a lot of folks equate the people I mentioned with the government. 

Like I said, I don't trust any authority figure.  You have to earn my trust.  I am extremely skeptical, and you have to prove things to me.  I was a pain in the ass for teachers and professors in high school and college.  I'm a pain in the ass to the local government officials.  I question everything, and I make a point to find out things on my own.  You have to do that in a democracy.  When you become complacent, you get the government you deserve.  In my opinion, it's your duty to be skeptical and untrusting when it comes to authority figures. 

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:47:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		A similar example is the United States and Nicaragua. There wasn't sufficient enthusiasm to get involved in Nicaragua, so the United States government set up a department aimed at a spot of thought control. I believe Reagan was live on television larging the impending threat posed by Communism to the United States. The Sandanistas were presented as a well-drilled, crack outfit; in fact, they were about as threatening as a freshly cooked turkey on Christmas day, surrounded by a tribe of Ethiopians armed with scythes and napkins and fresh out of the back of a 12 year famine. Anyway, before you know it, a well-placed spot of propaganda does the trick and the support needed from the public is in place. Now, I'm sure were you to ask Reagan & associates, they believed their actions were justified in order to preserve their view of that which constitutes US values. Information control is an inevitable part of government.

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 11:52:57 AM   
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i try to listen to what is said



Me too......."this great nation has a legacy of helping the world progress...can we really stand by and allow despotic regimes to continue unabated?"......roughly translated as "we're going to bomb them and you'll thank us for it later".

But, the actions are more important.......they're free to spin the invasion of Iraq any which way they like....but actions speak louder than words.

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 12:00:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		slaveboy when I say the "man" or the "government", I mean people in positions of power.
THE "governing" bodies or systems regardless of where you live.
 
Normally, people in the HIGHEST positions of influence, power and authority.
They are in a positions to declare war, run countries, make decisions that affect the masses.
They are the people that are basically running our world.
 


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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 12:07:01 PM   
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slaveboy when I say the "man" or the "government", I mean people in positions of power.
THE "governing" bodies or systems regardless of where you live.
 
Normally, people in the HIGHEST positions of influence, power and authority.
They are in a positions to declare war, run countries, make decisions that affect the masses.
They are the people that are basically running our world.
 



And sit on the board of directors of the mega-corps who own most of the world's media outlets?

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/22/2008 12:08:37 PM   
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Alumbrado and I actually agree on something.
 


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