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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/24/2008 5:49:19 PM   
Ozzfan1317


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Absolutely not, the govt doesnt tell me everything and thats how it should be. Thats why there is "classifiication" and "sensitive compartmentalized information" and "need to know" and "plausible deniability" etc... The publics "right to know" is bullshit. Its just like all those yahoos that assemble outside "Area 51" trying to find "the truth". Honestly, I would like to drop napalm on them as what they are doing is against national security!  Ya know what goes on at the Groom Lake Test Site? I do... Secret shit thats none of the public's fucking business! Standing on those ridges with a camera trying to snap a glimpse of something in the name of truth can get american pilots killed and destroy billions of dollars of research. Another example - whether or not WMD's were found in Iraq and in what quantities... Thats not our business. The people who need to know are in the loop. The people who dont need to know get "the Mushroom Treatment" - ie keep them in the dark and feed them a steady diet of horse shit. Thats the way it is, thats the way it always has been and thats the way it should be... and before Bush gets blamed for "secrecy and lies" remember that FDR, a democrat, pulled off the Manhattan Project which was the biggest coverup and covertly funded project in US History....



I dont think any of us are naive enough to want the Government to go to common people with handouts and announcements of the secret projects they may be working on or what our military movements are. If we really found WMD's what harm would there have been in telling the american people? What did invading Iraq have to do with Al Quaeda? Can you honestly say that when our government smiles and waves and pretends its not that bad while our economy slowly crumbles that we should trust them? FDR helped protect us from the threat of German Exspansion ..do you really believe that Iraq was going to harm anyone other than Iran or maybe Israel. If  we really were that hell bent on helping others wher were we during the Turkish and Darfur Genocides? Look at the situation objectively and you cant help but wonder if its awfully convienant that Oil prices have skyrocketed and the price of gas has tripled when our presidents family are oil tycoons its awfully ironic isnt it? All I'm saying is I dont really trust anyone in our government I honestly think its sad that in order to have a chance to be elected you almost always have to be wealthy to begin with. The day I trust my government is the day a middle class working man is elected president of The United States.

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/24/2008 5:56:23 PM   
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The american public gets its say in govt one day a year - election day when they go to the polls to elect those who represent them. on the other 364 days of the year, the American public can sit back, STFU, and just enjoy the ride. We have no say in the affairs of govt on a day to day basis, that is handled by the elected and we can either signify approval by reelecting incumbents or we can signify protest by removing them from office with a vote for a challenger.

DA, if you want to STFU, by all means have at it.  However, to argue that Americans have to right to challenge, question, or demand an accounting of those in government who serve the people is factually and philosophically wrong.

The government of this country is accountable to its masters--the people--every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every year, from now until the last syllable of recorded time.  That is the supreme obligation of any and all who serve in government.

Secrecy is anathema to accountability.  Where the two conflict (i.e., everywhere), secrecy must necessarily lose.  Any other outcome puts the government in charge of the people, and violates the very structure and language of the Constitution.


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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/24/2008 6:01:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the USA, I trust certain parts of the government - the DMV for instance has never given me reason for suspicion, though I don't much like standing on-line.  Other bureaucracies such as the SSA and the VA are mired in red tape - so much so that the average Joe has trouble navigating the system.  I think our judicial system tends to be rather trustworthy except in certain specific instances - and I appreciate the fact that court records are a matter of public record.  I myself typically trust police by nature of my ethnicity, gender and upbringing, but I know many people who do not have that experience.  Can our government do better?  Yes, but it is OUR givernment, and it will only improve as much as WE demand.  I was recently speaking with two people from Moldavia who had come up during the Soviet years, and got an eye opener.  There are aspects of our economy, foreign policy, and domestic policy I would like to see change, but we really do have an incredible standard of living, freedoms, and an open media that make us very unique.  This I am grateful for.

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/24/2008 7:05:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand the government, CAN'T tell us everything because
of national security issues.
 
I just question a lot of the information that they tell us, that is not
related to national security issues.
 

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/24/2008 7:25:30 PM   
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I look at it this way... I think with all sincerity that the government of the United States always thinks it is doing what is best for the country...even if that means withholding information.

They are often wrong of course BUT because of the opposing freely elected congress and President… it is impossible to keep a secret…The truth always comes out.

It is even harder in recent years to keep a secret because of the adversarial attitude between the government and press.  

Sometimes it may take 50 years but eventually the real truth is always revealed.

This particularity is pretty well exclusive to America.

Was that as answer?...I think so.

Butch

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/24/2008 7:35:18 PM   
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Hi MzMia

I look at it this way... I think with all sincerity that the government of the United States always thinks it is doing what is best for the country...even if that means withholding information.
I agree, for example with the economy. 
We can't always handle the truth.

They are often wrong of course BUT because of the opposing freely elected congress and President… it is impossible to keep a secret…The truth always comes out.
Most of the time, but not always.

It is even harder in recent years to keep a secret because of the adversarial attitude between the government and press.  
We are very fortunate to live in an era where we get more of the "truth"
than ever before in history.

Sometimes it may take 50 years but eventually the real truth is always revealed.
Hopefully!

This particularity is pretty well exclusive to America.

Was that as answer?...I think so.
Great post!
Butch


We think we know most of the truth, but as you mentioned more of the truth
will be known in 50-100 years.
That is when most of the puzzle pieces come together, many years later.


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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/24/2008 10:56:28 PM   
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I too was born in the 60's and one of the things we learned going through school was to think for ourself. Nothing in life is told to us without a bias or some sort of agenda. The government serves the masses and for a party to stay in power it must put a spin on information to put itself in the best possible light. Do I believe everything that the government says "NO" Do I believe the government should tell us everything "NO" The arguement starts as to when a person has a right to know. What I do believe in, Is speaking your mind, and read/ listen across different opinions and then come to a conclusion. I also believe this is the best type of government that exist to this date and it has provided as much oversight as possible.
What is great about our country is that we are allowed to show and voice our displeasure/dissatisfaction with our government and it's policies...and it is up to us to voice our opinions as well as listen to other opinions as well. Just my 2 cents.

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/24/2008 11:04:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe the government and the people working with them behind the scenes cheat, lie, and steal regularly.  There is SO much wrong with the entire system that I usually feel like giving up.  That's probably good for them, as defeated citizens are the easiest to manipulate.

For those who blindly believe: You honestly think the people controlling your life care about you?  You really believe the lure of power, control, and wealth goes un-heeded, and those calling the shots have your best interests in mind?  You scare me as much as they do.  :(

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/25/2008 2:52:02 AM   
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The american public gets its say in govt one day a year - election day when they go to the polls to elect those who represent them. on the other 364 days of the year, the American public can sit back, STFU, and just enjoy the ride. We have no say in the affairs of govt on a day to day basis, that is handled by the elected and we can either signify approval by reelecting incumbents or we can signify protest by removing them from office with a vote for a challenger.

DA, if you want to STFU, by all means have at it.  However, to argue that Americans have to right to challenge, question, or demand an accounting of those in government who serve the people is factually and philosophically wrong.

The government of this country is accountable to its masters--the people--every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every year, from now until the last syllable of recorded time.  That is the supreme obligation of any and all who serve in government.

Secrecy is anathema to accountability.  Where the two conflict (i.e., everywhere), secrecy must necessarily lose.  Any other outcome puts the government in charge of the people, and violates the very structure and language of the Constitution.



Celtic, you are living under the misconception that you are "the master" of the govt. In reality - you are its bitch. Dont believe me? Try telling the Harris County Tax Assessors office that you will "donate" $200 when your property tax bill is $1200. The govt that you are LOL "master" of will foreclose your home, sell it at auction and send its own goon squad to carry your shit out of the house! The govt IS in charge of the people - hence the reason you cant smoke the herb of choice wherever you want, need a license to fish or hunt, need the OK of the DPS to carry a hand gun. have to get your car emissions checked once a year, can wind up arrested if you pay some chick for a rub and tug, and until the supreme court struck it down, thus giving "govt approval" under the old Texas sodomy statute you could do prison time for getting oral sex from your own wife. The govt is so far up the average americans ass that you have simply grown used to them being there and no longer notice it.

I mean for Christs sake this govt that you are "the master of" wont even let you get married unless you come and fill out the form and pay your fee. (Kind of like getting the consent of the King huh? Asking the Lord of the Manor? )Then as the FLDS dicsovered they have restrictons on the age of who you can marry, and how many people you can be married to... As the gays and lesbians complain, they also have restrictions on the genders of who can marry.

The American public has shit to say about anything except on election day. Even then all they are electing is electors LOL. People dont realize that they dont even vote for the President they vote for electors , who could vote their conscience rather than who they are pledged to vote. The system was set up that way because it was deemed unsafe to vest the power with the people.

Now if you, or anyone else, thinks that you are "The Master" of the US Govt and have any say so I issue the following challenge. Call up your representative of choice, and tell them to put in a law setting gas prices in all of Harris County at $1.50 a gallon. Tell them you want the difference charged to MY property tax bill! Just tell them to put the other $2.38 a gallon on my tab. LOL I mean you can do that right? Youre the bossman!!! They listen to you right?

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/25/2008 3:49:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

Absolutely not, the govt doesnt tell me everything and thats how it should be. Thats why there is "classifiication" and "sensitive compartmentalized information" and "need to know" and "plausible deniability" etc... The publics "right to know" is bullshit. Its just like all those yahoos that assemble outside "Area 51" trying to find "the truth". Honestly, I would like to drop napalm on them as what they are doing is against national security!  Ya know what goes on at the Groom Lake Test Site? I do... Secret shit thats none of the public's fucking business! Standing on those ridges with a camera trying to snap a glimpse of something in the name of truth can get american pilots killed and destroy billions of dollars of research. Another example - whether or not WMD's were found in Iraq and in what quantities... Thats not our business. The people who need to know are in the loop. The people who dont need to know get "the Mushroom Treatment" - ie keep them in the dark and feed them a steady diet of horse shit. Thats the way it is, thats the way it always has been and thats the way it should be... and before Bush gets blamed for "secrecy and lies" remember that FDR, a democrat, pulled off the Manhattan Project which was the biggest coverup and covertly funded project in US History....


DomAviator's partially correct. The public doesn't need to know everything. Few would disagree. However, they do have the right to know most of what the government does. That's why the Freedom of Information Act provides procedures for citizens to obtain information about government actions and programs.

None of the above makes Bush's actions any less egregious. His administration's unparalleled secrecy has nothing to do with national security, and everything to do with concealing the truth so that they can feed us whatever line of BS they want. They went far beyond simply framing matters to present their side favorably; they actually concealed important facts and lied to us all, about the most important thing of all: reasons for going to war. That's just about the worst thing that a president can do, and there's absolutely no excusing it, for any reason.

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/25/2008 4:14:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sinstech

Mia,
I too was born in the 60's and one of the things we learned going through school was to think for ourself. Nothing in life is told to us without a bias or some sort of agenda. The government serves the masses and for a party to stay in power it must put a spin on information to put itself in the best possible light. Do I believe everything that the government says "NO" Do I believe the government should tell us everything "NO" The arguement starts as to when a person has a right to know. What I do believe in, Is speaking your mind, and read/ listen across different opinions and then come to a conclusion. I also believe this is the best type of government that exist to this date and it has provided as much oversight as possible.
What is great about our country is that we are allowed to show and voice our displeasure/dissatisfaction with our government and it's policies...and it is up to us to voice our opinions as well as listen to other opinions as well. Just my 2 cents.

That is one of the many freedom's we have living in the U.S.A.
I would not want to have been born or live in any other country.
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Land of the Free and Home of the Brave!


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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/26/2008 12:52:31 AM   
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I was born in the 60's.
Even though I was too young to be a part of it, I have
always respected that era/decade immensely, especially here in the USA,
People marched, people protested, people changed things in the 1960's.
 
I have never totally trusted the government to tell me everything, and fully
expect what I hear to be a "watered down version of the truth" at best.

I knew we were in a recession last year, and I feel we are headed to a depression.
It amazes me that people tell me it is not true, because..........."The government has not
announced it!".
I never realized how many of the masses really believe only what the "man" and the "government" tells them.
 
Do you really believe everything the "man" and the "government" tells you??
If you do, please tell me why?

**Power to the people**
I am really a child of the 60s.
PEACE


i was born in February 1960, an aquarian born on the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius, i remember seeing on TV the protests for civil rights, the shootings at the universities, the reports of the assassinations of (on tthe anniversay of) JFK, Jack Ruby and later Dr King, Robert Kennedy, interviews with Malcom X ... the excitement i felt about the changes coming and the fear of my parents about the same things.  Here in (White) Australia civil rights seemed a strange thing to fight for why treat someone different because they are black or jewish or green/whatever.  In my little rural town, everyone was white and christian.  The protestents didn't employ catholics and the catholics didn't employ protestents.  I knew this was wrong, but there was nothing you could do about it.  Now you can because the Government made some laws to enable if you had the drive to take some one to court to stop them from being discriminatory based on religion ... someone should advise the Muslims of this.

Do i trust everything the my (Australian) Government tells me?  No.  Did I trust everything my parents told me? No.  Do i trust everything anyone tells me? No.  I weigh up what is said with my own experience and reasoning.  yes there is much i accept as the truth or it's ok to make decisions based on the info around ... street signs, the weather bureau advising it might rain for example. .. I know on the whole my parents made decisions in my best interest, but at times they took short cuts.  Just like any Government does.  There can be a country in a certain economic situation and they will deifine a recession/depression as when x y & z are in place.  Another country in the same situation may define a recession/depression using other criteria.

Once a Government 'announces' anything it sets heaps of other things some domestically and some internationally.  I understand why there is a reticence in doing so.

The point is if my household, business can operate and prosper does it matter what the Government says ...
If my household, business can't operate and prosper and the factors impeeding that are out of my control i'd like to know what the Government is DOING to change that envrionment.

I have a respect for those that seek what in the US is called public office, it's a role in which you just can't please anybody any of the time, yet they do try anyway.  They usually start on that path to change or improve something they see is wrong.

stepping down from the soap box ... again.


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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/26/2008 5:00:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have one simple answer that covers all. With power comes corruption, with absolute power comes absolute corruption. If you don't believe that then take a look at our joke of a president, and all of these politicans making the papers as of late for anything from affairs, to secret love children, to spending thousands upon thousands of our tax dollars on high class prostitutes. If nothing else look at the jokers in congress that vote themselves regular raises while many of us have to struggle just to survive and are lucky to ever see a raise in this day and age. If that doesn't blatantly show the government's attitude towards us then you're blind. Pure and simple. Sorry to be an asshole but its a job someone has to do.

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/26/2008 5:21:45 AM   
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Of course they don't! They only tell us what they think we need to hear. I once read it best from a bumper sticker "Sure you can trust the government, just ask any indian" I'm a very untrusting person to begin with, but after hearing of so many cover-ups, conspiracies, etc...nah I'd rather trust my own instincts.  

btw why isnt the government using oil reserves we had piped from Alaska a few years ago? We can afford to blast off into space, to fix a toliet in the space station that cost us millions but we can't find gas for under $2. *Steps off soapbox* It feels good to rant in the morning!


One simple answer, controled chaos. As long as they can keep our lives in a chaotic enough state and keep the people struggling to survive the politicans know we will let them get away with murder and they get to keep their jobs plus get nice raises and perks at our expense.... Its like modern royalty....

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 6/26/2008 6:55:19 AM   
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I understand the government, CAN'T tell us everything because
of national security issues.
 
I just question a lot of the information that they tell us, that is not
related to national security issues.
 


I really don't expect them to tell us everything, I mean come on they have to have the right to keep some technology from falling into the wrong hands and be used against us.

However, If that information is Criminal (MK-ULTA. Operation Sunshine, The Tuskeegee Experiment, JFK, RFK) Then they should confess and the proper people should go to jail for their part in it. No one should be above the law.

As for Aliens and UFO's They have been keeping that secrect for 50+ years for two reasons

1) Knowledge is Power
2) It would radically change the way that the world is today.

I refer to my Hero "Stanton J. Friendman" who made the argument that if all of a sudden, quite literally fell right out of the sky, a form of unlimited energy was discoverd that would allow homes to be powered, heated and cooled for forever. Or that you could put it in a car and never need to pay for gas, never need a tune up etc.

What would that do to the world, banks, gas companies, trucking companies etc would go out of business the whole econmy would be shot to hell!


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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 7/22/2008 9:19:13 AM   
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This thread deserves to stay alive!

I think we all can do something!

If something bothers me a lot and I find myself complaining about it over and over I STFU and sit down, write letters, make calls, and get active.

This is what anyone can do. It is much more fun than feeling pissed off.
IMO

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 7/22/2008 9:55:03 AM   
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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 7/22/2008 11:13:39 AM   
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Do you really believe everything the "man" and the "government" tells you??
If you do, please tell me why?

**Power to the people**
I am really a child of the 60s.
PEACE


Not on your ever-lovin' life. I also don't tell them everything they think they need to hear. My body, my mind, my life, my responsibility.

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 7/22/2008 11:32:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think its funny how a child of th 60s speaks of power to the people. Yeah that was the rallying call alright. From wht i saw it was just a bunch of irresponcibility made to look like its cool.

I am a child of the 80s and i see the children of the 60s far differant. In fact they are the ones who are now 'the man', they are this big brother, they are the ones who caused the recession by winking at mortgage banks as they gave bad loan after bad loan, only to sell them to union pension funds.

Sure poor people got to live in a mansion for about two years, but now there out on there ass. Little did they realize their pension fund is what funded their foreclosure and now they are out their retirement too.

Not to worry hear comes the democrats with another bail out plan, or Bush with another 600 dollar check. Letting these guys steal our wealth, screw us, then bail us out with our own money is hardly what i got from the 60s 'movement'.

But hey its all good, if your left of center, blame it on the right and vice versa.

As has been brought up here before, Ken Lay worked for Clinton and played golf with Bush I and II. Diane Feinstein has a husband who has made over a billion dollars as a contrator for the military, guess who used to be on the appropriations commitee?

all you hear is Cheney Cheney haliburton. And thats just fine with most of the flower power generation. Democrats are all knowing and all good according to them.

As for the marches, MLK jr did his part and made a huge impact on the US and the world. He was more a child of the 40s, Jesse Jackson on the other hand (a child of the 60s) has taken the seat at the table MLK died for and exploited for every penny he could. He didnt have MLKs disipline nor his faith nor his dedication to the cause.

Do you think all th negativity ended Vietnam any sooner? no. it prolonged it because it was all the hope our enemy had.

To hear the children of the 60s talk about the man and government, they sure seem to feel government has all the answers and always turn to them as if they know something special. The 60s liberal mentality is that of Marx, they love guys like Chavez and hate that corporations in this country arent beholden to the 'man' and 'government'.

Once these 60s children get a firn hold on this government, because god forbid a democrat gets voted out, we will have big brother and government so far up our asses no one will be able to move. It seems as though thats the way they want it, as long as its democrats that have all the power and they can still blame it all on Republicans.

Of course it the same for Republicans too. Blame it on the other guy

They play the electorate against each other, meanwhile they are making deals with Ken Lay to suck a corporation dry then use our tax money to bail themselves out. All we can do is blame it on the Democrat or blame it on the Republican. Because thats what big Brother tells us to do, depepnding on what side we are on of course. Meanwhile they all get off scott free

The 60s generation was a huge let down and is now the exact opposite of what it profesed in the 60s.

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RE: Do you trust the government to tell you everything?... - 7/23/2008 1:42:04 AM   
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