paulr1980
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The men who are turned off by a womans intelligence are the uneducated ones.
Thats a bit of a sweeping statement Ray. The business world is full of intelligent men, bitter about having a smart woman as a rival. Reading the thread title, you may have a point though.
I am more concerned as to if someone is honest, than how intelligent they are.
You make a good point about honesty a more valued quality than intelligence alone, however as to your point of their being "bitter" intelligent buisness men having smart women as rivals, I take some issue with you. A generation ago perhaps this was more of a trend, but it was more of a peculiar time that many younger men cannot readily identify with as much today: namely a double-standard in dealing with women than how they would with men. HR policies at some institutions transformed the traditional working male environment into a sterile set of rules that often had (and some could argue still) an anit-male assumption of men being victimizers. I recognize that there is a need to protect workers from both one another and those of higher power over them (and below them even) but I can understand the confusion that men a generation ago must have felt with the increased volumes of women coming into the work place and feeling, out of a sense of misguided chivlary, holding themselves back in dealing with women in the same harsh ways as they would with other male rivals. This today, I feel, is largely a historical curiosity, as most of the men I know (including myself) have no problems in not holding their punches with a female competitor. A similar phenomena was found in the 90's when there were females that were put on coed male wrestling teams (and you can look this up if you doubt it, as it is a case incidence of role-reversal of power that is sometimes used in courses of strategy assessment and power). The males, taught to respect girls and never hit them, became like whimps on the floor, confused as what to do. Although weaker, slower, and smaller, the girls often "out performed" their males counterparts. As one young man said: "If you beat a girl, then you just beat a girl. But if you loose, you are a girl." It was that fear of lossing and that worry of the double standard of loosing even when winning that was the pyschological bottleneck. Some couches, sick of this, told the boys to cut loose on the girls as they would on the other boys. Once this happend, the parents began protesting about their daughters being "manhandled." I am not sure if such coed teams exist today, but there was a movement to misband them.
After a generation of seeing our mom's working and doing otherwise urbane things our fathers have done all along, there isn't anything special about women being in the work place Hearing women being praised for what men have done generations before is just silly and smacks of an imagery of congratulating an adult woman for being able to tie her own shoes. And whatever male anxiety might have existed was owed more to an initial transitional period. If it exists, where it does, it is usually a generational difference in mindsets. Today, most men have no qualms about treating a woman, even a sexually attractive one, with the same tactics as if a man. In fact, men have become more refined these days, employing often a pyschological subtlty heretofore not seen against women, which has often been said exclusive of women. Indeed a rival is a rival.
I will say that at times I have notice that there there seems to be more a "viciousness" as in making the defeat of a female competor more personal when a female attempts to use her sexuality to win, and I have to agree it does bring out a want to punish for no other reason than how insultingly transparent an attempt it is and the underlying belief that because you are a man you will be ruled by your dick. It is a priceless look of defeat on a woman's face when alas she realizes her ass have failed her in the matter at hand and she'll have to quickly begin using her brain. But honestly, the comtempt that men feel in these circumstances are examples of lack of sexism. Seeing a woman behave this way in a sexually provactive way is testament to her relying on looks over intellect. I can tell you, a competent woman is respected, and as harsh as men might be to the office tease attempting to manipulate herself upwards, women of competence are far more harsh on them and merciless in their unsaid criticism, where one look is the summation of every male opinion of them.
The truth is with rare exception, men have wised up to women, seeing them in every manner today and have always been able to separate sex from buisness. Personaly, I think it is good for young men to learn this lesson the hard way and get disillusioned by any stereotypic chivlary they might have of women as a whole. Respect should be first shown upon meeting but then earned thereafer and appraised continually. Not every woman is deserving of the same respect as others--just as in the case of men. When most women hear this from men, they tend to act with genuine fear, as alas men have come to fully embrace the equality that their kin of former generations fought to win: equal treatment in all matters, including not just opportunity but treatment in competition.
< Message edited by paulr1980 -- 8/2/2008 4:37:03 PM >
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