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RE: Turner diaries - 7/26/2008 10:03:39 PM   
Alumbrado


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Status: offline 		That logical conclusions supported by links to facts are only supplied by a few people like myself, while 'fantastic' ones with imaginary quotes like yours that can't be produced, are more common...

Now, have you got anything to contribute to the thread besides hijacks?

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/26/2008 10:10:10 PM   
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RE: Turner diaries - 7/26/2008 10:14:37 PM   
Alumbrado


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RE: Turner diaries - 7/26/2008 10:20:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Heaven forbid Al keep posting,I get a kick out of your act...especially the ones where you present your "opinions"as fact....good night Al

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/26/2008 10:35:22 PM   
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What other conclussion should be drawn from your words?  Especially since I have stated repeatedly that the work in them was nonsense.


The logical conclusion would be that I was asking if the course you took left unanswered the question of whether the Protocols were in fact authored by Zionist Elders, as Mein Kampf was authored by a German, Isis was authored by an African-American, and Turner Diaries were authored by a white supremacist.

Given that one of those books was very different from the other 3, in that it alone was a forgery designed to look like extremist rhetoric, your continued lumping of it in with the other 3 as something to learn from, left that question open.

Going from being asked an obvious question, to seeing accusations where none exist is not the most logical approach, and less likely to yield a logical conclusion.


Actually 2 of the books on that list are very similar, they are works of FICTION.  Psst, what do all of the books have in common?

I have already stated where some of the fodder for the books was taken from... I have already stated that the book was clearly a tool of propaganda, written by somebody that intended to suggest a cabal, and that it was complete nonsense.  I have no idea where you got the idea that I suggested the book was authored by Zionist Elders.  It is quite obvious that the book (or text) was written by anti-semitics.

Which brings me almost full circle, in how it ties into the other 3, the Nation of Islam propagates many of the protocols as fact.

The way you present questions, and then ignore answers only to ask the same question, makes my conclussion very logical.

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/27/2008 12:45:35 AM   
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RE: Turner diaries - 7/27/2008 1:07:28 AM   
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Logic follows set patterns, you seem prone to just tossing stuff out there and trying to argue it into shape.....  That's fine if all you are after is a debate.


What have you added to the discussion of the topic?  Other than arguments???  Or questioning somebody's position?

Your patterns are becoming quite clear.  Again you avoid answering questions, to put out your words of wisdom... Attempting to illuminate the rest of us.  Speaking of which, is the reason for your particular interest in these topics related to your name?  Perhaps a descendant of Conversos?

Always curious,
Thadius

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/27/2008 6:53:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		See, this is EXACTLY what I was talking about before... these books have a corrosive effect on people minds, especially those who can't quite differentiate between factual history, and fictional propaganda...

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/27/2008 7:03:18 AM   
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Logic follows set patterns, you seem prone to just tossing stuff out there and trying to argue it into shape.....  That's fine if all you are after is a debate.


What have you added to the discussion of the topic?  Other than arguments???  Or questioning somebody's position?

Your patterns are becoming quite clear.  Again you avoid answering questions, to put out your words of wisdom... Attempting to illuminate the rest of us.  Speaking of which, is the reason for your particular interest in these topics related to your name?  Perhaps a descendant of Conversos?

Always curious,
Thadius


Ashkenazai, hence the reference to my interest in tracking hate speech being a survival skill. This is just great good fun for you to debate....not so great for those of us who have seen first hand such speech turn into actions.

And that's what makes it ludicrous for you to accuse me of projecting.

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/27/2008 7:53:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, was a little surprised to see this book on collar me.


This book is pretty silly, as someone else has said.  I wont bore anyone with the plot but it is a very violent and bloody book. I also think things are just a little too black and white. In reality, things are rarely this clear cut i. e. blacks, jews (who are white ), and other minorities are our enemies. Even though the book revolves around people I would consider traitors to the USA, they claim to be patriots and yada yada yada.

I encourage people to read anything, including books of this nature.

Knowledge is never bad.

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/27/2008 9:15:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Knowledge is never bad... but propaganda will lead you into some pretty dark places.

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/27/2008 12:01:33 PM   
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Knowledge is never bad... but propaganda will lead you into some pretty dark places.


....and the suppression of propaganda also leads to dark places. This is not a simple debate. Propaganda only works when it uses the medium it is propagated through very effectively. In essence it has the best tunes, which leads inevitably to the old adage, 'Why should the devil have all the best tunes". (Booth, founder of the Salvation Army, forget his first name)
Only in the light can we oppose propaganda, in the dark it has a tendency to multiply.

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/27/2008 1:40:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Logic follows set patterns, you seem prone to just tossing stuff out there and trying to argue it into shape.....  That's fine if all you are after is a debate.


What have you added to the discussion of the topic?  Other than arguments???  Or questioning somebody's position?

Your patterns are becoming quite clear.  Again you avoid answering questions, to put out your words of wisdom... Attempting to illuminate the rest of us.  Speaking of which, is the reason for your particular interest in these topics related to your name?  Perhaps a descendant of Conversos?

Always curious,
Thadius


Ashkenazai, hence the reference to my interest in tracking hate speech being a survival skill. This is just great good fun for you to debate....not so great for those of us who have seen first hand such speech turn into actions.

And that's what makes it ludicrous for you to accuse me of projecting.


Which again shows you didn't read my post of earlier.  Some of us have witnessed first hand what occurs when this junk is brought to action.  See you assume that because of the way I look that I would not have experienced a cross being burned in my front yard, or bullets, bricks and other fun objects coming through the windows.  Or even better, getting the added benefit of being called a race traitor.  I don't need to elaborate on the details or the reasons for it, as it is none of your business, and I refuse to use my family as a way to prove that I understand fully what such hate is capable of.  Simply I will say, you have no clue what anybody on these boards has or has not been through, and your assumptions on some of us are completely off base.


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RE: Turner diaries - 7/27/2008 6:38:12 PM   
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The other major casualty was alot of legitimate (ie pro constitutional) militias and patriot movements got dragged into the same mud as the extremist fringe groups.  I don't even want to think about the various 4th Amendment violations that occured to sieze the names of members, check for legal ownership of firearms, and verify there were no "illegal activist" types involved.


McVeigh had nothing to do with militia movement but the Clinton administration, Chuck Schumer and other Democrats all tried to smear them with association with McVeigh.

McVeigh watched Waco burn, he was down there witnessing it. It drove him over the edge. That was the motive for OKC.

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/27/2008 6:40:44 PM   
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McVeigh watched Waco burn, he was down there witnessing it. It drove him over the edge. That was the motive for OKC.



Were you inside his head at the time, then?

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/27/2008 10:25:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		kit, there are two different theories apparently. The date, April nineteenth coincides with the raid on Randy Weaver's place up on Ruby Ridge. Let me give you the situation with it slanted the other way.

Randy Weaver homeschooled, and farmed for himself and did everything else he could to stay away. He was a seperatist, and he was White. Therefore he was branded as a White seperatist and since that is equated for some reason with racist, and therefore bigot, it didn't take long for it to go to terrorist.

The terrorist Randy Weaver found himself at home, and a federal agent, undercover comes to him many times after currying his friendship. He needs a gun. A sawed off shotgun. Those are illegal in most parts. He is whining, they are going to come kill me, giving him these sob stories, and it was all a pack of fucking lies.

Randy Weaver not only beat all the charges but also successfully sued the government for a few million dollars. Turns out the trigger happy sharshooter that killed his olady and kid was the same one that started shooting down in Waco. I hope that guy retired. I know his name but..........Lon Horiuchi. That's the guy. He was at both places and if a proper investigation was done, it would probably be found that he singlehandedly caused both escalations.

Do I think Randy Weaver should have sold that gun ? No. Do I think the Branch Davidians should have been doing what they were ? No. Do I believe they should DIE for it ? NO.

Yup, Lon Horiuchi brought you the OKC bombing, and possibly 9/11 too, or at least helped. You come to my property and shoot my Wife with my baby in her arms, you think I am going to put up with that ? Randy Weraver walked out of that courtroom a couple million dollars richer, and said "This ain't over yet".

We need to get the spirit back, what it means to be a US patriot. It is not blind obedience to the government, it is standing up for ourselves and not putting up with bullshit.

Disagree, make your case, I yield the floor.

Be well.

T

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/27/2008 11:55:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jack45

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ORIGINAL: Thadius
The other major casualty was alot of legitimate (ie pro constitutional) militias and patriot movements got dragged into the same mud as the extremist fringe groups.  I don't even want to think about the various 4th Amendment violations that occured to sieze the names of members, check for legal ownership of firearms, and verify there were no "illegal activist" types involved.


McVeigh had nothing to do with militia movement but the Clinton administration, Chuck Schumer and other Democrats all tried to smear them with association with McVeigh.

McVeigh watched Waco burn, he was down there witnessing it. It drove him over the edge. That was the motive for OKC.


Terry Nichols was definitely in contact with the Michigan militia movement. Claiming that many of militia groups were not made up of hard core racists would be contrary to well documented evidence.

Termy, you need to be careful spreading BS around about Weaver somebody might just call you on it. Randy Weaver was photographed entering the Aryan Nations compound. Weaver was approached just once by the undercover agent, at an Aryan Nations rally, and asked for more than one sawed off shotgun which Weaver provided. Now if you aren't a violent racist what are you doing repeatedly associating with the Aryan Nation? How did he gain entry to their compound in the first place? Only the most well known racists trusted by the Nations leadership get in there. The reason the feds tried to flip him was because he could get in there when no undercover agent could.

At the time of the incident he knew there was a warrant for failure to appear out for him. If he was a peaceful amn why not negotiate a surrender? Considering it was rather easily establsihed that he had not been correctly notified of the change in date he likely could have gone in seen the judge and been back on the street that day.

BTW it has been fully and completely established that the Branch Davidians killed themselves.

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/28/2008 10:35:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Terry Nichol's wife was a Filipina from the Phillipines. Sure doesn't sound like he was a racist now does it?

Randy Weaver attended a lecture at the Aryan Nations site out of curiosity, found it wasn't in harmony with his beliefs. The ATF then attempted to recruit Randy Weaver as an undercover informant to infiltrate the AN group. He declined. That is when the government agent was sent after him who paid RW to reduce the barrel length of the shotgun, pointing out where he wanted the shotgun cut to, which was an entrapment.

When it comes to Waco we all know the government never lies to us.

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/28/2008 11:12:26 AM   
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Terry Nichol's wife was a Filipina from the Phillipines. Sure doesn't sound like he was a racist now does it?

Randy Weaver attended a lecture at the Aryan Nations site out of curiosity, found it wasn't in harmony with his beliefs. The ATF then attempted to recruit Randy Weaver as an undercover informant to infiltrate the AN group. He declined. That is when the government agent was sent after him who paid RW to reduce the barrel length of the shotgun, pointing out where he wanted the shotgun cut to, which was an entrapment.

When it comes to Waco we all know the government never lies to us.

 

No one made him sell sawed off shot-guns.

What type of individual sells sawed-offs?

And what activities are sawed-offs used for?

It`s not hunting,or self-defense.

It`s for criminal purposes only.

I have no sympathy for that jerk.Act like him (or David Koresh)and you`re going to get what you deserve.

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RE: Turner diaries - 7/28/2008 1:04:24 PM   
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Terry Nichol's wife was a Filipina from the Phillipines. Sure doesn't sound like he was a racist now does it?

She was a mail order bride and what happened to her newborn child right after they married?

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Randy Weaver attended a lecture at the Aryan Nations site out of curiosity, found it wasn't in harmony with his beliefs. The ATF then attempted to recruit Randy Weaver as an undercover informant to infiltrate the AN group. He declined. That is when the government agent was sent after him who paid RW to reduce the barrel length of the shotgun, pointing out where he wanted the shotgun cut to, which was an entrapment.

Bull. He was seen going into the compound and was then approached by an undercover agent at a later Aryan Nations rally. The undercover agent couldn't get into the compound. The first time he was offered the opportunity to inform on the AN was when he was arrested for the weapons charges. And you also still insist it was a shotgun not shotguns. None of this is indispute and is part of the trial transcript.

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When it comes to Waco we all know the government never lies to us.


When it comes to civil trial lawyers I've never heard of any faking evidence that ended their case. The investigations by the Davidians own lawyers proved the fire and shootings were done by the Davidians.

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