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ORIGINAL: Thadius


Which again shows you didn't read my post of earlier.  Some of us have witnessed first hand what occurs when this junk is brought to action.  See you assume that because of the way I look that I would not have experienced a cross being burned in my front yard, or bullets, bricks and other fun objects coming through the windows.  Or even better, getting the added benefit of being called a race traitor.  I don't need to elaborate on the details or the reasons for it, as it is none of your business, and I refuse to use my family as a way to prove that I understand fully what such hate is capable of.  Simply I will say, you have no clue what anybody on these boards has or has not been through, and your assumptions on some of us are completely off base.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: Thadius


Which again shows you didn't read my post of earlier.  Some of us have witnessed first hand what occurs when this junk is brought to action.  See you assume that because of the way I look that I would not have experienced a cross being burned in my front yard, or bullets, bricks and other fun objects coming through the windows.  Or even better, getting the added benefit of being called a race traitor.  I don't need to elaborate on the details or the reasons for it, as it is none of your business, and I refuse to use my family as a way to prove that I understand fully what such hate is capable of.  Simply I will say, you have no clue what anybody on these boards has or has not been through, and your assumptions on some of us are completely off base.

Pure projection... read it out loud while looking in the mirror and pointing at yourself...   then add that imaginary 'post of earlier' to your laundry list of disingenuous debate tricks.

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Ashkenazai, hence the reference to my interest in tracking hate speech being a survival skill. This is just great good fun for you to debate....not so great for those of us who have seen first hand such speech turn into actions.

And that's what makes it ludicrous for you to accuse me of projecting.

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Did you not imply that this discussion is just great good fun for me, and that I have not seen first hand such speech turn into actions?

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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Did you not imply that this discussion is just great good fun for me, and that I have not seen first hand such speech turn into actions?

The implication, is that your assertion that I am a white supremacist who is projecting my beliefs onto innocent others, is a falsehood...one that you have been running from (under a smokescreen of fallacies), since you were first called on it. 

And you have made it very clear that you enjoy stirring up crap like that for the fun of it.

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This makes no sense at all... If I can't prove it without quoting his exact words,  then he never took that stand? 
Or are you saying that I have to prove something without showing that a certain catch phrase is a well known slogan for a certain group?
Enjoy your denial.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

You certainly have convenient amnesia...you said that I was projecting the Storm Front/David Duke quoted beliefs, the word suspicion was not part of your accusation at all.

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can't see anything in what Celtic said in that thread that comes close to what you are describing, at least in terms of any kind of racist mantras.  I think you might be projecting a bit on this one.

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so I wonder how you get that I am  projecting racist mantras against black people from citing the wrong thread?

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As for the claim about you projecting... you brought the racial aspects into this thread.

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I can't see anything in what Celtic said in that thread that comes close to what you are describing, at least in terms of any kind of racist mantras.  I think you might be projecting a bit on this one. 

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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I can't see anything in what Celtic said in that thread that comes close to what you are describing, at least in terms of any kind of racist mantras.  I think you might be projecting a bit on this one. 

Nothing about 'personal suspicious nature', nothing about a 'watchlist', just a direct accusation that I am projecting the racist mantras under discussion onto someone else, along with the fallacious claim that I 'called' them a racist, after I identified the source of that sort of rhetoric.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Asked and answered... you said the racist mantras were projected by me onto CL.

Projection:

The attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings, or suppositions to others:
 
The attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings, or desires to someone or something as a naive or unconscious defense against anxiety or guilt.
 
a defense mechanism by which your own traits and emotions are attributed to someone else 
 
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/projection

You have already declared the standard that merely identifying words as rhetoric embraced by racists is de facto calling anyone using them a racist ( in your claim that I called CL a racist by linking to the source of material similar to his)...how then does that not apply to your assertion that I was the one actually projecting the racist mantras? 

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
As far as bringing 'it' up, the OP is on record with his opinions, including the 'order of things' mantra regarding the suitablility of a black man to govern America....if he or you want to defend that go right ahead, but don't just toss it out there and run away, then complain when people remember who said it, and what it means.

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Of course those definitions wouldn't fit into your argument, so you choose to use the definitions that claim that you are somehow feeling guilty about having those same beliefs.

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

jeez, guys.  Have y'all considered taking this off to cmail?

thornhappy

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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Of course those definitions wouldn't fit into your argument, so you choose to use the definitions that claim that you are somehow feeling guilty about having those same beliefs.

I choose to use the definitions that apply, instead of randomly Googling for out of context snippets as you've done time and again.... you seem intent on proving me correct about your stirring up needless debate for the fun of it.

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pro·jec·tion–noun



1.
a projecting or protruding part.



2.
the state or fact of jutting out or protruding.



3.
a causing to jut or protrude.



4.
the act, process, or result of projecting.



5.
Cartography. a systematic construction of lines drawn on a plane surface representative of and corresponding to the meridians and parallels of the curved surface of the earth or celestial sphere.



6.
Photography.



a.
the act of reproducing on a surface, by optical means, a remote image on a film, slide, etc.



b.
an image so reproduced.



7.
the act of visualizing and regarding an idea or the like as an objective reality.



8.
something that is so visualized and regarded.



9.
calculation of some future thing: They fell short of their projection for the rate of growth.



10.
the act of communicating distinctly and forcefully to an audience.



11.
Psychology.



a.
the tendency to ascribe to another person feelings, thoughts, or attitudes present in oneself, or to regard external reality as embodying such feelings, thoughts, etc., in some way.



b.
Psychoanalysis. such an ascription relieving the ego of a sense of guilt or other intolerable feeling.



12.
the act of planning or scheming.



13.
Alchemy. the casting of the powder of philosophers' stone upon metal in fusion, to transmute it into gold or silver.

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[Origin: 1470–80; < L prōjectiōn- (s. of prōjectiō) a throwing forward. See project, -ion] —Related forms
pro·jec·tion·al—Synonyms 1. jut, overhang, protrusion. 9. prediction. 

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Psychology      a. The attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings, or suppositions to others: "Even trained anthropologists have been guilty of unconscious projection—of clothing the subjects of their research in theories brought with them into the field" (Alex Shoumatoff).

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

jeez, guys.  Have y'all considered taking this off to cmail?

thornhappy

Why?  So there will be more room on the forums for people to post more important things? Like George Bush blowing up the twin towers, and vaccines causing autism, and third rate pulp fiction novel role players being 'Twue', etc? 

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Is that vice versa stuff sort of like sticks and stones AL....BTW your having a great nite Al...hoisted on his own petard

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

This is my last response to you on this topic... your own link on the definition of projection states....


I didn't need any google snippets to define what I said, I stated what I meant with the use of the word, and you are the one that went hunting for a specific meaning to that word, then post a link to the supposed definition you used... uhm I can't find that your definition as quoted on that page... however as part of the definitions as it relates to psychology I did find this... 
Psychology      a. The attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings, or suppositions to others: "Even trained anthropologists have been guilty of unconscious projection—of clothing the subjects of their research in theories brought with them into the field" (Alex Shoumatoff). [/align Bold emphasis mine. Have a great night,Thadius

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Al did you take the vice versa stick and stones literally...there you go again assuming everyone's stupid...we expect better of you
edited to add...of course not Al I do this shit for free