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RE: Is religion important in politics ? - 8/29/2008 8:39:01 AM

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I've never met a catholic who didn't consider themselves christian and having been one until the age of 13, I probably would have. Schisms which bring about different types of christianity don't really mean they are an entirely separate faith. Just as you a have orthodox and reform synagogues in judaism, each with different traditions, you get the same in christianity.

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As for "idols", catholics don't actually worship the statues - that's a mortal sin in catholicism and sends you straight to hell. It goes back to the fact that the first churches are based on the design of Roman courthouses -- which were full of statues and it was probably a necessary visual aid to help pagan romans to convert to the emperor's new method of social control.

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RE: Is religion important in politics ? - 8/29/2008 8:48:45 AM

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yup like the art that were to tell the stories visually because most of society didnt speak latin

(btw your faith until 13 non withstanding I have met and dated many catholics all of whom differentiate)

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RE: Is religion important in politics ? - 8/29/2008 9:07:38 AM

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RCs I have met have never denied their christian denomination but they don't identify as 'christian', but as RC whereas baptists for example say christian. I have attended a fair amount of conferances with mixed denominations and churches and thats my personal experience.

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RE: Is religion important in politics ? - 8/29/2008 10:01:17 AM

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RCs I have met have never denied their christian denomination but they don't identify as 'christian', but as RC whereas baptists for example say christian.
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I don't doubt your experience - just whether it means catholics don't consider themselves christian. Baptists and pentecostal types in general tend to have one-off names for their churches (like "new testament church of jesus"or whatever) ... a bit short on identity. They used to say "I'm a born-again christian" and I think it just got shortened to "christian". Not the same as the sectarian protestant - catholic divide but still more an easy label than a doctrinal stand.

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RE: Is religion important in politics ? - 8/29/2008 10:15:08 AM

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I don't doubt your experience - just whether it means catholics don't consider themselves christian. Baptists and pentecostal types in general tend to have one-off names for their churches (like "new testament church of jesus"or whatever) ... a bit short on identity. They used to say "I'm a born-again christian" and I think it just got shortened to "christian". Not the same as the sectarian protestant - catholic divide but still more an easy label than a doctrinal stand.

I do not know, from a catholic standpoint. When I attended the conferences, there would always be a large american-christian number in attendance and their reaction was always one of contemplation when faced with a anglo RC. To the americans, they couldn't fathom why the RCs were so vocal in their insistance of being called RCs and not christians. I remember discussions on how that just never happened in the states and that the only people who were similar were those who identified as 'evangelical' rather than christian.

I once went to a catholic church meeting which was open to non catholics. The whole meeting was about unity and how the RC church could benefit from not excluding non catholic denominations. The Father holding the discussion was very progressive and pro-mix... his congregation - not so much. I have never found it so much the church itself, but individuals. The nearest answer I have ever had from a RC was that it was their personal choice or that it was because they are RC. There has never seemed much rhyme or reason behind it.

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RE: Is religion important in politics ? - 8/29/2008 12:22:37 PM

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I do not slam the religions/beliefs of others, so i am treading softly here. I was born and raised as a Catholic but no longer am.

It was a long time and one heck of a shock when i learned that my religion was part of the Christian faith. According to the nuns there was "us" (catholics) and "them"(any other religions). "We" were the good un's .."they" were going strait to the fire pit unless they converted real quick.

There is truth in what theDark is saying...that catholicism is at times not thought of as Christianity.

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RE: Is religion important in politics ? - 8/29/2008 12:38:45 PM

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For what it's worth, on the European continent Catholics harp on about their christianity all the time: in fact, they say the word often during mass. I was raised with a large majority of Catholics (I'd say 90% of kids in all the schools I went to were) and their Christianity wasn't ever questioned.

Let's not forget that they see Jesus Christ as the prophet of God as well as any other Christians. Catholicism is a Christian religion, no doubt about it. Incidentally, European Catholics hardly ever refer to themselves as 'Roman Catholics'. For some strange reason, it's a name that's far more common in England and America than anywhere else... perhaps because these two countries consider Catholicism as foreign to their reformed views?

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RE: Is religion important in politics ? - 8/29/2008 1:04:42 PM

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Not to a lot of people.

And the record on Vaz and Rushdie doen't show anything about him wanting Rushdie punished for blaspheming against the Pope, but rather for violating sharia decrees.... hardlly the non-religious standard being proclaimed.

Vaz is no more than an opportunist. Dont be fooled by speeches he gives as he will play both sides, just as he did in the Rushdie affair. He claimed to be one of the Uk`s leading Asians In fact the leading Asian ( His words ) That alone should say more about him than i ever could. Below is a little eye opener from the Times of India about the Rushdie affair.

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Even so, his concern for other sections of that flock appears to have been a great deal more fleeting. In the best traditions of the political weather vane, he made common cause with Muslim constituents in Leicester and spewed fire against The Satanic Verses, only to swing due north by quietly phoning Salman Rushdie to sympathise with him over his troubles. As a political wannabe, he made common cause with the Labour Party's black caucus and then abandoned it once he was chosen as the party's candidate for MP. His fiercely-held Catholic faith did not prevent him from voting against proposed legal curbs on abortion.

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RE: Is religion important in politics ? - 8/29/2008 5:03:47 PM

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