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I've spent quite sometime in America, going to church is like going to a club, there is social pressure to do it and to be seen to do it.

your ignorant generalization could be offensive to those of us Americans who go to church for the right reasons....if your opinion mattered.

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I think you are wrong.

Because of course, actually dealing with facts would upset your fantasy.

No because a European politician ranting on about god and faith in a way American politicians do would haemerage votes and not gain power. Western Europeans have had their gut full of mixing politics and religion a long time ago and don't want any more of it.

Actually Amunbrado, my fantasy has more reality that your reality.

Which is why you have to resort to juvenile antics like mangling my name, or making up ealsiy debunked assertions about the history of the Church of England, (or history in general, as you have on the slave trade, etc.), and making up straw arguemtns that other people never said.

And when I and others here provide references, whether the dictonary, history texts, or even poitical economy theorists like Chiricos, it isn't 'my reality', it is an invitation to learn more about the world than can be gotten from your agitprop...

But, like all 'true believers' and blind faithful followers, you reject logic and documentation... apparently your illusions can't withstand open discourse.

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Just think, if the US shelved this use of religion, it was banned in politics, what message would that send out to the world, bearing in mind, just about every nation on earth looks to the US and what it is upto to compare itself against ?

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I've spent quite sometime in America, going to church is like going to a club, there is social pressure to do it and to be seen to do it.

your ignorant generalization could be offensive to those of us Americans who go to church for the right reasons....if your opinion mattered.

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With radical Islamic terrorists declaring Jihad on everything that moves, it moves the religious ideals of others to the forefront. 
People as a whole want to live their lives as they wish.  However, now we are coming to the battle of relegions...West vs Middle East.  And along with that comes the politics...sad but true.

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Just think, if the US shelved this use of religion, it was banned in politics, what message would that send out to the world, bearing in mind, just about every nation on earth looks to the US and what it is upto to compare itself against ?

As I understand it - It wasn't a statement, but a thoughtful question- as yet - as far as I have seen - unanswered by most.
The context in which you relate it, without posting the entire context, speaks of A stating it should be prohibited/banned whatever.  He did not.  He asked that if it was shelved as an example, what would the outcome be for other countries in comparrison.
 
the.dark.

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When was the last Catholic head of state in England,

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In America, they simply must be religious. In Europe generally and more specifically in Britain, politicians are elected regardless of having a faith or not.

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When was the last Catholic head of state in England, Denmark, etc, or the last Protestant ruler in Italy?

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When was the last Catholic head of state in England,

1700's.
Or Blair-if you mean head of government.
 
the.dark.

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I've spent quite sometime in America, going to church is like going to a club, there is social pressure to do it and to be seen to do it.

your ignorant generalization could be offensive to those of us Americans who go to church for the right reasons....if your opinion mattered.

If one of those "right reasons" is to learn tolerance for those who don't share your views, I heartily suggest you go more often. 

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The observation that US politicians wanting to get a majority of the votes try to appear like as many members of the majority as they can, is hardly denying others their right to worship differently.
Kennedy debunked the myth that one had to belong to a specific WASP church to win office, other politicans have debunked the notion that one 'must' be a Chritian at all. 

When was the last Catholic head of state in England, Denmark, etc, or the last Protestant ruler in Italy?

The notion that Europe by contrast has no church state link, sounds fine and grand and all.... Except for that pesky matter of the facts that no religion in the US has the legislated power to tax, or convict, or raise an army, or legally require a politician to belong to a specific denomination etc, as they do in so many other places.



So where is the evidence that if the US somehow or another implemented this change that no one is willing to define, the rest of the world would applaud?

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I've spent quite sometime in America, going to church is like going to a club, there is social pressure to do it and to be seen to do it.

your ignorant generalization could be offensive to those of us Americans who go to church for the right reasons....if your opinion mattered.

What are the right reasons for believing in superstition?

I can understand people saying they believe for political reasons, that is being rational if not entirely honest.