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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 5:35:28 AM   
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My favorite line from her speech was, "SOME would use "change" to advance their careers. John McCain uses his career to advance change!!!"


My favorite:
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We need American energy resources, brought to you by American ingenuity, and produced by American workers.




Oh fuck! Not another war!

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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 5:49:10 AM   
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this time with the poor sap who got her daughter pregnant on display...



       That would be her future son-in-law, Kitten.  It's sometimes known as "doing the right thing."


    I was wondering about him a bit.  Did he absolutely hit the lottery in who he knocked up, or is he about to get the ultimate, mother-in-law from Hell?


I thought most of you religious folk believed "doing the right thing" involved keeping his little pecker in his pants.

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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 5:49:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		One would swear from this post that there were two entirely different expectations for the speech. ( and almost that people listened to two entirely different speeches).

I'd love to but don't have the time to pull together the competeing speeches (Biden's and Palins) to check for any difference in level of partisan shots and what they are prepared to do as far as change. Because from memory Biden's speech was just as long on rhetoric and short on specific proposals as Palin's.

That is the traditional role of the VP's speech, to hammer the opponent and allow the presidential candidate to cover the What we're gonna do the next night.



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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 6:22:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		When people say that she's only running for vice president I have to cringe. Given McCain's age and health history, there's a much high chance than usual that she will wind up as president. Are all you Palin-defenders ready for her as president?

I'm not going to go into all of the lies, misleading statements, and errors of judgement -- $26.9 million in earmarks for a town of 6000 and her earlier support for the Bridge to Nowhere are two biggies -- but can any of you right-wingers honestly say she was the best choice for vice president? (Especially since by all reports McCain didn't think she was but was pressure into it by his staff and, perhaps, panic.)

BTW, the entire quote about becoming McCain's running mate was:
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As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I'm used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we're trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.


Taking the one line out of context is a bit unfair, I have to say. (And I'm certainly no Palin supporter!) But I'm hard pressed to think of how being the veep would be good for Alaskans in particular, although given the whole Cheney secret energy meetings perhaps it would be. Or has McCain promised her drilling in ANWR in exchange for her joining the ticket?

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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 6:32:30 AM   
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I thought most of you religious folk believed ...



              You haven't read very many of my posts, have you RML?  LOL

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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 6:47:26 AM   
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When people say that she's only running for vice president I have to cringe. Given McCain's age and health history, there's a much high chance than usual that she will wind up as president. Are all you Palin-defenders ready for her as president?

First, McCain is not likely to drop dead in the Oval Office, no matter how hard Democrats devoutly pray for his demise.  In fact, at several junctures during the primary season, McCain has been more energetic and shown greater stamina than Obama (whether that means that Obama stopped smoking again or has started smoking again is anybody's guess).

However, in the unlikely event of McCain's passing, and in answer to your question:
Yes.  I would much rather have Palin as President than Biden.
  • She's not a product of any political system.  Biden is a product of the Senate.
  • She's actually run a city and actually run a state.  Biden has run for office.
  • She plays hardball and wins.  Biden can bully people dragged before his Star Chamber committee hearings, but he's considerably less effective on equal footing.
For me, the Dream Team this election cycle would have been Giulani-Palin.  Still, McCain-Palin is an attractive second choice.

If McCain chooses to only serve one term of office, Palin vs Clinton in 2012 will be something to watch.


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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 6:50:41 AM   
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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 6:52:22 AM   
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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 6:52:31 AM   
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Here is the difference:  Nancy Polosi's youngest child was a senior in high school before she decided to run for congress in 1987.  Sarah Palin's youngest is an infant with special needs.  The oldest is barely out of high school.  And her husband works at least part time on the North Slope and won't be available at least part of the time to help with them.


Okay, first of all, I was a single parent so I didn't have a husband around to help me out. I worked two jobs and put myself through college and still raised productive, amazing kids into their adulthood .. because, guess what, parents can have other support systems besides spouses in place - people like grandparents, nannies, nurses, aunts, uncles, friends etc. I can't believe this neanderthal thinking still exists in this day and age. I don't like Palins policy or style but the fact that she's a woman and a mother has nothing to do with her ability or capability to effectively support this country in whatever manner she may choose to pursue ... including VP.

We're in the 21st Century here .. feel free to join us when you're ready.

God forbid something happened to Michelle Obama and Barrak had to raise his kids without her .. should he drop out of the race because of it?




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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 7:11:42 AM   
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Not the city and state thing again, running Alaska is like running a village, its population, economy and infrastructure are minute.

Alaska's FY2008 budget is $11.2Billion. 

You have a most unusual definition of "minute".


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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 7:13:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Compared to the amount of money wasted in Iraq........it feels pretty minute to me.

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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 7:32:22 AM   
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I thought most of you religious folk believed ...



             You haven't read very many of my posts, have you RML?  LOL


Apparently not enough, though I take it to mean you're not? 

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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 7:43:29 AM   
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When people say that she's only running for vice president I have to cringe. Given McCain's age and health history, there's a much high chance than usual that she will wind up as president. Are all you Palin-defenders ready for her as president?

I'm not going to go into all of the lies, misleading statements, and errors of judgement -- $26.9 million in earmarks for a town of 6000 and her earlier support for the Bridge to Nowhere are two biggies -- but can any of you right-wingers honestly say she was the best choice for vice president? (Especially since by all reports McCain didn't think she was but was pressure into it by his staff and, perhaps, panic.)

BTW, the entire quote about becoming McCain's running mate was:
quote:

As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I'm used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we're trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.


Taking the one line out of context is a bit unfair, I have to say. (And I'm certainly no Palin supporter!) But I'm hard pressed to think of how being the veep would be good for Alaskans in particular, although given the whole Cheney secret energy meetings perhaps it would be. Or has McCain promised her drilling in ANWR in exchange for her joining the ticket?


It wasn't meant to be a quote but I hardly think it was out-of-context.  It wasn't meant to imply that she literally did not know what the VP does, but that she obviously doesn't appreciate the importance of the office.

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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 10:19:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was particularly moved by the statement she made:

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"Al Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America, and he's worried that someone won't read them their rights.


It made me wonder just how many -more- of our Constitutional Rights are going to fade away on the McCain/Palin watch, because clearly the value of the Constitution and treatment of every individual (as well as Habeus Corpus and "innocent until proven guilty") don't apply for these folks.

Just Sayin...

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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 10:31:28 AM   
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Except that Obama has 5 not four letters like Bush.
 
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Bozo and Obama are both from Chicago...Coincidence? I think not.


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Bozo is just spelled differently~~~> Bush

Always knees2you

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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 10:38:21 AM   
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I was particularly moved by the statement she made:

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"Al Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America, and he's worried that someone won't read them their rights.


It made me wonder just how many -more- of our Constitutional Rights are going to fade away on the McCain/Palin watch, because clearly the value of the Constitution and treatment of every individual (as well as Habeus Corpus and "innocent until proven guilty") don't apply for these folks.



.......suppose some utterly mad US citizens hijacked a Saudi airliner and flew it into the tallest building in the Saudi capital. Straight up and down tit for tat? Horrific act of abuse? How would people on both sides of the political aisle in the US comment on such an act?
i know what i'd like to see. i'd like to see both sides condemn it for the atrocity it would be.
Now, back to reality......no-one is suggesting that AQ read westerners their rights before executing them, but that's not the point. We're supposed to be the good guys. i've said this before, this global war on terror, if it's to have any meaning at all is a cultural war. It's civilisation versus barbarism. If the West cede the civilised ground then we're no better than them. And we have to be better than them. Otherwise what's the bloody point?

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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 1:40:54 PM   
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Not the city and state thing again, running Alaska is like running a village, its population, economy and infrastructure are minute.


A $10 Billion budget is minute?  24,000 state employees is a small infrastructure?  Just as a couple of simple facts, for comparison to your village comment.

Cool, explain to me what Obama or Biden have done that eclipses this, or even compares.

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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 1:54:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I heard insiders say that she was being coached at the podium for 5 hours everyday before that speech by Bush's speechwriters (Karen Hughes, etc..).  Which is why she was out of the spotlight during the Media having to take the responsibility of the careless flippant republicans as far as veesting a candidate... 

Karen Hughes said herself that she loved the line she was fed and rehearsed to say about the pit bull and hockey mom difference being lipstick, and was very pleased that that line she was fed registered well with men as well as women.  In their political machine, calculating to appeal to as wide as many people as possible is needed in Presidential politics. 

I see why she avoided expressing any of her own opinions, because her appeal to most Americans would be killed on the spot....  *God forbid, she ever say what she really thinks about anything!!  (like women who are raped must have a rapists' baby because she says so, that the U.S. will be used to generate favors for Alaska if she's elected [alaska being only 0.01% of the entire U.S. population], etc etc)

Just be a typical republican woman (stepford wife) and shut her mouth and be used as a tool for whatever McCain needs her for him to get power.  The republicans have sunk to a new low.  (actually, come to think of it, an old low). 


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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 1:57:52 PM   
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Not the city and state thing again, running Alaska is like running a village, its population, economy and infrastructure are minute.


A $10 Billion budget is minute?  24,000 state employees is a small infrastructure?  Just as a couple of simple facts, for comparison to your village comment.

Cool, explain to me what Obama or Biden have done that eclipses this, or even compares.


These days, thanks to Bush, managing a one 50-gallon steel drum of oil is worth more than managing thousands of people in a community.  (an exaggeration of course, but you get the picture).  We can't compare dollars as far as effort is concerned, when we're talking about oil.  The price is so inflated. 


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RE: Another Palin thread/ What do you think of her spee... - 9/4/2008 2:07:05 PM   
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Just sayin.

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