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brightspot -> RE: i need help (11/28/2005 10:52:07 PM)

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JUST for the record this is all plain crazy. Its crazy i'm saying this and its crazy what you all are saying. i'm just getting to the end of my line of BS i can take, i suppose.

For the record again, he's never laid a hand on me. he threatened it. Not a big difference really, if one wants to think about it. But still.

ok this is like drama central right now. cant stand it. i'm gonna step back and think about what you all said and as its alittle to obvious to ignore.


Okay, with just this that you have said Riot, I have to ask, Imagine what it is like then for your girl? I know what it is like because I lived it[:(].

I hear you speak your truth and then try to erase it talking in ways for "Damage Control".

You don't have to now change our thoughts because you implusively wrote your true frustrations and now regret it. Use that energy to convince yourself or at least look at the truth that is happening in your life and more importantly in your girl's.
You want to ease our minds by saying she is with your mother, but in the same sentence say your mother is a nut case.

IMHO the man you are with has falsely presented himself as a person capable of being a responsible Dom or person for that matter.

You also speak that you know this is not abusive, yet everyone tells you it is. I know that someone who is used to it in their life lowers the standard of abuse substantialy.

I wish for you Riot, because I never think people cry out for no reason and they are handling it, or putting their foot down.
I hope YES, you pack up his things and show him the door, if not for yourself your girl, he can be very, very nice for a while, that is the circle of serious manipulation.

Call your local women's shelter and get support, they deal with this all the time and have many resources that can help you.

May your heart and wisdom guide you Riot.


*Brightspot




fldrkhorse -> RE: i need help (11/29/2005 3:18:35 AM)

"I don't need someone to help me do bad, I can do bad by myself."

Redd Foxx




OscarHargraves -> RE: i need help (11/29/2005 8:24:33 AM)

CandyStripper is exactly right. You are in an abusive relationship and you need to move out NOW! Protect yourself and protect your child cuz the child could well be the next target of his anger. This won't get better, it WILL get worse. Get the sherriff's office to help you. Get out and STAY OUT! If you are having physical problems from the emotional turmoil then seek professional help, but do it after you leave.




cinnfulhussy -> RE: i need help (11/29/2005 9:59:52 AM)

I won't make the judgement call that your situation is abusive. All we know is what little you have told us, and its not looking good for the home team. Masters are allowed to get depressed, go without bathing, stay up all night..... for a while. Depression hits on both sides of the power dynamic, without discrimination. That being said, when it gets to the point that rent cannot be paid, depression or not, responsibility needs to kick in. He needs to dig down and pull himself from the doldrums, or put himself in the hands of a professional who can.
There is far more at issue here than a depressed master. You know it. Lying and cheating are personality traits, not signs of depression. Depression might bring out this side of his personality, I'm not clear on how long he has been a liar and a cheat.
If you were my best friend, I'd offer you a place to stay in my house, help you pack, and tell you to get out of the situation.
Is that kind of continual breach of trust reparable? Not for me it isnt. Lying and cheating do not make a good foundation for your relationship, and by staying you consent to it. You are inadvertently molding the kind of relationship your child is going to see as normal, and likely seek out and put up with. Is this what you want for her? To be disrespected as a person, lied to, cheated on?
It is admirable that you want to work on the relationship, and that is a good value to pass on to her. However, if you are determined to "work it out" do so from someplace safe, where your rent is not in question, nor is her safety. Once you are in a nice, secure place, and you have gotten counseling for yourself, and you still want to work things out, great. His disfunctions are not your responsibility to fix, they are his. Yours, are yours to deal with. Clean house, get things straight emotionally, then worry about patching things up. It is very hard to leave any relationship, perhaps submissives feel it harder to leave a master, I'm not sure. Perhaps not. Leaving is not failure. Its not a failure of you, or of the relationship, its what is best, and safest to do at this point. I wish you the best of luck, and clarity of thought.




temptingjewel -> RE: i need help (11/30/2005 9:39:06 AM)

no one on this forum is in your shoes, only YOU can make that call about leaving Him. He is YOUR Master and you have a committment to HIM. It's easy for everyone here to sit there and say, "oh get rid of the bastard!" but you're the one that has to live with the decisions you make, and you are the one that knows in depth your own situation.

If He is going through a rough time right now your place is to be by Him and stick it out, not run off. If you wish to run off, then do so, either way it's YOUR choice. We can only give you our .02 worth here, but you have to live with your choices, either way.

Your original question was never answered, you stated that you didn't wish to leave this man which you love so much, instead you wanted to find ways of coping with this situation, i find that admirable.

Many blessings to you and yours!

Jewel




Phoenxx -> RE: i need help (11/30/2005 9:48:14 AM)

well stated Jewel. A couple of people have said that it might be best to seek medical help.
This site may be of some help.
http://www.dbsalliance.org/
And check to see what support groups are in your area. Not only for abused women, but for people dealing with depression




afmvdp -> RE: i need help (11/30/2005 10:28:49 AM)

Unfortunately you may be at an unresolvable conflict. It is hard to admit failure and to ever try to move on once you have rooted yourself in heart and soul, but you have to make the final decision as to if this is the type of experiences you want to go through and is this the type of life you want to live. It is unlikely that your "master" is going to change, so the question is will you?

I try not to be quick to judge, but I also cannot be one to hold back my own beliefs, and in my mind this person is no master and sounds like he's hardly even a man and that isn't something you should be subjecting yourself to and there are far better options than just suffering through someone who cannot appreciate what you are trying to offer.

Also, we do have local support groups that can assist you in this process and I can try to associate you with one of our lifestyle aware counselors if you need assistance in coping with the seperation and getting back on your feet.

This is a hard life we live sometimes because more than most we give of our mind, heart and body and two halves come to a sort of merging and once you've made someone else an actual physical part of your very existance, even if something is cancerous it is still a part of you.




GeneGG -> RE: i need help (11/30/2005 10:33:48 AM)

Riot, you think that people would acually say...yes lets help this situation???? i know it is hard to leave...but for your family it is the best thing for you ... isnt it better to find some place to go to, then to wait until Dec 19th and get kicked out???




sanita -> RE: i need help (11/30/2005 8:11:47 PM)

Riot,

Think about the last time you felt a sense of pride in yourself. Was it about how you have taken care of your unmentionable? Maybe it was when you got a job or realized that you were fully capable of supporting yourself and your offspring. i do recall posts of yours, where you showed strength and pride in yourself.

Maybe, just maybe you should look and see where that pride went? No matter how much you think you are hiding from your unmentionable, she knows. They know. Believe me, they know. She cannot be proud of her mother, if her mother can't show she is proud of herself.

If you can't get your ID back from Him, then go to your state's website, and apply for a replacement. If you have to take the car to get a job, tell him you are taking it, in order to be honest, and go get a job that will support you and pay your rent. If he won't let you have the car, he is trying to ruin you and pull you down with him. Also, create your own bank account. He only has the hold over you that you give him.

Seriously, i understand loving him. But he has taken all your strength, your pride, what you worked so hard for. You deserve to have it back. And if you do get involved with a Man, it should be someone who adds to your happiness and well-being, as you add to theirs.

It does sound like he is depressed, but you can't help him if he won't ask for it. You can only help you. Maybe, if you leave, and regain your own stability for yourself and your unmentionable, he'll wake up.

If he does straighten out, and wants to reconcile, wouldn't you rather be able to start over from a strong place, and knowing what you know now? This as opposed to trying to claw out of the hole he has pulled you into when you are both beyond rock bottom? Yes, that is a small fantasy about inspiring him to change, but maybe it is a better compromise than staying weak, and hoping he'll change.

Anyway, don't ask your daughter to settle for a weak mother. Find your pride again, and let it sustain you a bit.

Good luck to you.

sani




MistressYlwa -> RE: i need help (11/30/2005 9:12:12 PM)

This is not a healthy situation, as all have told you before. Not for you and definitely not for a child.

By staying, you are only helping him continue down the path is his on. You are enabling him to continue. He has no reason to change. The worst he expects from you are complaints and he knows how to deal with that. So why should he care?

There is nothing healthy about a relationship of codependancy. And this won't change as long as both of you continue with things the way they are.

The only way to get help is to get out of this relationship. This is not the relationship you signed up for. You have done your part. You have tried to help. He has refused it. So take care of yourself, now. Many have given you excellent options. Your only decision now is which option to take: move out or move him out. At this point, after rereading your post, I think it best that you and your child go stay with your mother.

It may wake him up to his situation. But if it doesn't, at least you have taken care of the priorities in your life.

Be Well and Good Luck

Mistress Ylwa


You see what power is - holding someone elses fear in your hand and showing it to them! - Amy Tan




veronicaofML -> RE: i need help (11/30/2005 11:48:30 PM)


"""riot,
Just in case no one has said this to you recently....and just in case you can't see it for yourself.....I am going to say it to you. YOU ARE WORTH SO MUCH MORE THAN THIS !!! What I am going to say to you I am saying because I care...even if it may sound harsh. """
===
quoted from someone here----
heyyyyy-------you and i are friends on IM......so ya KNOW i care!~
i AM...........SO sorry this is happening.
and i thought "I" had some issues recently????/ jeeeeeeeeeeeez

hey.....email me........IM............something....

yeah ok. talk ain't no help $$ wise....but i DO care aboutcha.

take care,...........PLEEEEEEEEEEEEZ!





MadameDahlia -> RE: i need help (12/1/2005 12:17:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

god, you all are going to hate me now too huh. i do know i need to leave him. god i know. i do i do i do. i just cant bring myself to it and i dont know why and i've studied that and well came up with a few answers, but none of them were good enough. i've got a million excuses while i'm still here.


I don't think anyone here will hate you. Not for being confused at any rate.

You say you know you need to leave him. If you know that then you know he's not good for you. You know that he's not good for your little one. I'll repeat what so many have said. You owe it to the child you brought into this world to be sane - to be safe - to care beyond your own feelings, wants and desires.

You've got a million excuses as to why you're still there. But when it all boils down to it you've got one... ONE reason... that should be good enough as to why you need to get the hell out of Dodge. She's tiny... depending on you... and growing up in an unsafe environment.

You may not even see the trauma she's digesting. You may not know that she's choking down his anger, his spite, his lack of respect for you. The adults don't often see what the little ones suck up.

When I was young I'd hear my parents screaming at each other all night. Dad would get drunk. And then he'd yell - yell some more and finally pass out. I had heard of "abuse" as a kid - and it always involved fists.

My family was lucky in that I guess. He never physically wounded any of us. But the verbal onslaught is something I remember vividly. And as a youth... when I was maybe eleven or twelve I remember thinking to myself at night that if he EVER touched my mom or my younger sister I'd calmly pick up something sharp from downstairs and make sure he never did it again.

Do you want your daughter thinking such things about anyone? Do you want her growing up in a place where these thoughts would even cross her mind? I'll tell you right here and now that it's a wretched way to grow up.

I really, really hope that you take the steps necessary to provide safety for her.

I wish you luck.




plantlady64 -> RE: i need help (12/1/2005 6:53:24 AM)

Hello There,
If you don't want to leave him you can only do so much.
You can read this letter you wrote to him and let him see how you feel. You should remind him as your Master it's his job to find a way for the two of you to provide for yourselves. You can say these things to him as in part of being his slave you are supposed to be sure he's as happy and healthy as possible. Show him how his behaviour is only getting him depressed and farthur away from you. You can tell him if he wants to stay your Master and not just your unemployed boyfriend then he needs to start acting like a Master should again. Tell him until you see he's getting his act together instead of just giving up that you will not have respect for him.
Other than that I can't really recommend anything to help you motivate him.
Just remember you can only control you. You can't make someone do something against their will. If he won't step up to the plate then I hope you're strong enough to take your will back till he can be a good stweard of it.

I know you said you didn't want advice to tell you you should leave, but if it was me I'd be telling him stop lying and come clean about the girls, get a job, and behave like a functional person in life or I'd be out of there in a second. I can still love him from my own place where he's not dragging me into the hole with him.
Good Luck,
sub suzanne




Sartoris32801 -> RE: i need help (12/1/2005 7:52:30 AM)

All in the name of “love”!

“Love is merely a madness, and, I tell you, deserves as well a dark house and a whip as madmen do; and the reason why they are not so punished and cured is, that the lunacy is so ordinary that the whippers are in love too.”. William Shakespeare.
(Added Note: Katy is no doubt becoming weary of this quote)

He lies, you believe in honest and open communications?

He cheats, you are faithful?

You work, worked and are determine to find another position, he does nothing productive?

You have a family that is important to you that he dislikes?

Other than “love” and perhaps an interest in BDSM what do you share in common?

The answer is not here on a board but within you! Fate is not what determines your life, but the human condition, in your case, addicted love. Like any other addiction powerful and disabling, but the choice is always within the addict

Sartoris








ExistentialSteel -> RE: i need help (12/1/2005 12:14:57 PM)

You could always get him an application to work on an Alaskan King Crab fishing boat.




buffiyum -> RE: i need help (12/1/2005 12:56:26 PM)

*thinks and thinks on this before she posts....*
riotgirl,
It is not for buffy to say, what you need or should do. buffy dont know what you need or should do - only you know that, and you do one believe, deep down inside.
The problem is maybe a sense of panic and pain and deep fear inside sometimes at what one maybe feel that they need to do. How to do it? When?? How to do that so that Eeveryone in the situation is happy, helped and able to either change or move on with Ttheir lives on a positive note???
The truth maybe, is that there is not any 'sure fire thing' that anyone can do, to ensure that Eeveryone in a given situation is happy with what must be done. There is two people you need first to take care of if one may say that.
you are a mom and that must be something that plays a part of whatever decision you make. The child must have a roof over her head, she must have food on the table, she must know that she is care for in your heart deeply enough to defend her against Aanyone. you have said that you do that and buffy is very happy that you do.
The other person you need to care for is you and it sound like you are so deep in pain and confusion that you not able to help you. So concentrate on what is best for your little one for now maybe. Then you can think better, for you.
As to the one you call Master. He is a Man, He is an Adult and He make decisions for Him. This is not your job it is His.
He ordinarily would have maybe made decisions for you too but it sound very much like He is not able to do that at this time. one is hoping that you will consider the caring spirit that buffy is writing to you with as she now write things which maybe will seem harsh. They are not meant to be harsh, but helpful.
If it helps with a decision to leave Him be at least for awhile to figure out His life just now.... maybe consider that if you and your daughter were not with Him, He would be 'freed up' to make those decisions He need to make for Him, easier? you were not, and are not, and will never be, responsible for what He choose to do or not do, with His own life. He is suppose to be Master and even if He was not, He is adult. As slaves or submissives .... we often wish to 'help' Oothers. This is part of who and of what, we are maybe. But there is not much you can do in this instance riotgirl. It is something within Him that He need to do and is BEYOND YOUR CONTROL. Yes that sound odd but it is true.... as those who live within the abuse, we often stay because we think we can 'change the abuser' and we often blame ourselves for the instances of abuse because our mind thinks.......... IF IT IS OUR FAULT THEN WE ARE ABLE TO CHANGE IT. Only we cant - we really cant. It was not our fault these things happen and we cannot make changes within Aanother. Only Tthey can do that.

riotgirl....buffy knows that it often takes many instances of abuse before a person will leave the Abuser. she refuse to judge anyone who is in the midst of that kind of decision-making process. she has been there herself and it took 20 years to leave so who is she to judge eh? What she can say happened in her own circumstance, is that it began with threats and emotional abuse/mental cruelty and finally escalated to physical abuse and more threats only this time, of death. At that point, buffy got her children and herself out if the situation. Abuse has a pattern to it and those who are with the abuser, whether adults or children, will become caught up within that pattern. Like any pattern, it can be quite complicated. But it is not pretty - it is horrible and it can maim the mind and heart of any within it, adult or child, for many years, sometimes forever if one need help and doesnot seek it.
one need to say that although you may not see this as yet, your daughter is being affected by what you choose to do or not do (as were buffys children). If your daughter is in school, those things which have impacted on her, are going to begin coming out in ways and this will then be notice by the School People. They are legally bound to report this to the Child Welfare People.
The Child Welfare People are legally bound to investigate all reports of neglect and/or abuse. They usually have a 'criteria chart', in terms of how quickly They respond and how that response will look. Untimately They must consider the welfare of the child first, and They will. If They have talk to the child and determined that emotional/physical or mental abuse is occuring within the home, then They will take action. They have to, thats Their job.

one is glad that you wrote on here so that all of Uus who have responded, can voice the concerns Tthey may then see, or offer whatever help and hugs Tthey can. one has read what Ppeople have posted and sense the feelings of concern and caring that motivated the responses. one hope that you sense that also.
Please remember that buffy too has not meant to cause hurt in saying those things she has said, she says them because she knows these things from both her own experiences and her education within social work and because she deeply, deeply, cares for people.
buffy is sending a hug your way,
with caring and concern,
this is buffy





EvilGeoff -> RE: i need help (12/3/2005 10:44:39 PM)

My grandfather once told me:

"If one man calls you a jackass, he has a problem."
"If two men call you a jackass, it is a coincidence."
"If THREE men call you a jackass, you should consider getting a saddle and feedbag."

Hon, you have gone well beyond three men (or women) telling you the same thing. It is well past coincidence stage.

Your relationship is slap full of problems. Maybe they can be addressed, but it will only change if HE wants to change himself. YOU can not change him, YOU can not fix him, YOU can not "wake him up". Only he can do that.

For what it's worth, my grandfather also passed along "The Serenity Prayer":

God,
Grant me the Serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
The Courage to change those things that I can,
And the Wisdom to know the difference.

You cannot change him. I hope you find the serenity needed to accept that.
You can change your situation. I hope you find the courage to do so.
HE is NOT your situation. I hope you find the wisdom to know that.

YIK,
- Geoff




KatyLied -> RE: i need help (12/4/2005 5:37:47 AM)

Sartoris...
quote:

“Love is merely a madness, and, I tell you, deserves as well a dark house and a whip as madmen do; and the reason why they are not so punished and cured is, that the lunacy is so ordinary that the whippers are in love too.”. William Shakespeare.


Actually I like the quote and thank you for giving it to me.

[&:]




MasterTrainer45 -> RE: i need help (12/4/2005 3:48:29 PM)

Riot read your profile I did become that person or change your profile to "step all over me" .. give him an ultimatum get some help or find a new Master, as for your eviction, if you are in such financial distress,if your the lease signatory, file a Chapt 13 Bankruptcy petition (you can do this without an attorney just go to the court ), you will be given an automatic stay from the court to stop the eviction proceeding (file before the landlord starts an action)..and sufficient time to reorganize your debts ... your life is salvagable you need to find your way....you can work your way out of this if you need more help e-mail me I will help you.....I know what your experiencing ....and i will helpyou...




RiotGirl -> RE: i need help (12/4/2005 8:20:21 PM)

i have not written on this thread, cos well i refused too. And i'm a stubborn chicka, but some one asked for an update. So, since i have good news, i figure i'd throw it in.

i do alot of argueing, alot of standing my ground, alot of verbally explaining how i feel, why i feel and umm.. why i'm right. cos i am. i'm always right - ) (joking ok....) So i am on the ball, i see it all falling apart and well i'm a persistant, stubborn, and something else some one called me last. Basically, my motto is "where there is a WILL there is a way" No such thing as "i cant" It is "i wont" Just so you know, i dont sit on my butt and whine. i take action. As i have been, always will do when i see things going wrong. Point is, i think i got through. (Can i say, smile?) i said what was up with this non "life". future worries and concerns, whole 9 yards, if you can imagine it, i'm sure i said it. Then i threatened to steal the car and find my own job. Okay so i got through. i wrote that as i was at my end. i was literally being blown. i was gonna burst. So anyways, if i can stop getting sidetracked, we got motivated. And he's got a job. He starts tomorrow. Though its not his "field" it pays and we can work on the rest later. Things are "looking up" as i said, i never quit. Whether its speaking my mind, or whatever.

Lot of you have written many things that i'd like to go over with a fine tooth comb, but i'm not gonna. It'll take ages. i appreciate the support, i so seriously do, i felt desperate and alone with no one out there. Alot of you have been so awesome and i thank you so much. Talking to me and just being friends. i do appreciate everyones input and care. Its ment alot. The support also helped me realise that i am NOT wrong. LOL (i hate being wrong) and gave me more of a push to push harder.

tho i do want to say. After alot of talk with friends, and careful consideration, abuse is such a wrong word, and i dont appreciate Pink Pleasures (aka candystripper) throwing around the "abuse" word once again. But anyways things are working out. If anyone would like to talk to me, or hear everything i havent said, or ect, i am on YIM as heretofly.

Thank you all, once again.




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