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ORIGINAL Simple

DomKen, interesting study. I have no doubt that there is race bias on ALL levels. One thing I have witnessed personally is how non-minority employers are hesitant to hire minorities because of the attitude they bring to the table. They have been snake bit in the past because threats of legal action if they corrected a minority or passed them over for promotion. It is a common attitude within the Federal system that "once you hire one you can't fire them". I can't say that all minorities adhere to this mentality. Many do walk around with a sense of entitlement and know they can throw down the race card. Many non-minorities are aware of this and resent it but keep quiet. All just observations. So when they see a resume that has an African American name (vs a European name?) they may be skittish for various reasons other then a knee jerk racist reaction. I do get tired of hearing "OH its because I am black". Eventually one has to function on his own merit and performance and take responsibility for themselves. If Obama is elected, that will remove one excuse.

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2% of the US population doesn't amount to a hill of beans in political terms.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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2% of the US population doesn't amount to a hill of beans in political terms.

Jews make up 1% of the population.  Cubans make up less than that.  You know why politicians pander to them?  Almost all of them vote.  Almost all of them are clustered into the same area, and can make or break their state or district's election.  Native Americans make up significant portions of the population in some states, Oklahoma being a good example.  However, Native Americans do not turn up at the polls in large numbers. 

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The attitudes are there. Would you be willing to highlight and concede that the situation ISN'T as dire as Mr. Wise is trying to make it out to be, and that just because it is his opinion, it's based not quite on fact, but more on specualtion?

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ORIGINAL: Simpleslave101

DomKen, interesting study. I have no doubt that there is race bias on ALL levels. One thing I have witnessed personally is how non-minority employers are hesitant to hire minorities because of the attitude they bring to the table. They have been snake bit in the past because threats of legal action if they corrected a minority or passed them over for promotion. It is a common attitude within the Federal system that "once you hire one you can't fire them". I can't say that all minorities adhere to this mentality. Many do walk around with a sense of entitlement and know they can throw down the race card. Many non-minorities are aware of this and resent it but keep quiet. All just observations. So when they see a resume that has an African American name (vs a European name?) they may be skittish for various reasons other then a knee jerk racist reaction. I do get tired of hearing "OH its because I am black". Eventually one has to function on his own merit and performance and take responsibility for themselves. If Obama is elected, that will remove one excuse.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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The attitudes are there. Would you be willing to highlight and concede that the situation ISN'T as dire as Mr. Wise is trying to make it out to be, and that just because it is his opinion, it's based not quite on fact, but more on specualtion?

Of course its his opinion, and explaining perceptions is not an empirical science. I don't think the author sees anything as "dire," he just puts forth a compare and contrast analysis of the Republican Party's sudden 180.

I agree with Vendeval that one could easily substitute ruling class or ruling party for "white privilege."

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ORIGINAL: leakylee

now meat i have read most of your comments. i can come at this from a family historical back ground. should i feel guilty because my family had 4 plantations over a hundred years? should i feel guilty that they faught to preserve thier way of life? (which the war didnt have squat to do with slavery, that was the grass roots movement)

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one can be part of the problem or part of the solution, that is an individual choice.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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one can be part of the problem or part of the solution, that is an individual choice.

MC, How does that apply to the society in general and the people in particular who you desire to solve with your "solution". Is there no responsibility on their part? Is there no decision on their part about how they live? That applies across racial lines.

I'm a 'they'. In my 'they' world - I want to be comfortable, working for what I have, using to the best of my abilities, my intellectual and economic resources to accomplish that goal. Does my 'they' have the same freedom and liberty to do so as those who you want to direct your standard of what they should want and have? 

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Yeah, so when do I get some of that "white priviledge?"
Both sides of my family came to the U.S. from Ireland *after* the Civil War because of "English priviledge" and the "Penal Laws"  in Ireland.
I couldn't even get a job as a Cop or Firefighter and I was a *Veteran* in Liberal, DEMOCRATIC Massachusetts and,...I could read and write!
Seems the DEMOCRATS changed the rules in the middle of the game.
Funny, they promised the Veterans the fucking MOON and never delivered just like they do to the Blacks every four years!
"Sure, join the military and take a chance on going to Vietnam and being killed or wounded and you'll go to the head of the hiring list for the Police and Fire."
Well we all know how that worked out now, don't we?
Instead it was, "can't read and write?"
"Can't even pass a Civil Service test?"
"Have a criminal record?"
"Drop out of school with no diploma?"
"Drug habit?"
"No worries, we'll just make your passing score a "35" instead of a "70" and put you on the head of the hiring list."
Boy, you just have to love those DEMOCRATS!
Ok, so when and where do I go to claim my, "White Priviledge?"
Is there like, a fucking "Office" somewhere where I go to sign up?
Oh, and I want "Reparations" from England for invading and enslaving my ancesters country.

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Slave owners applied your argument at one time. I doubt there are many people around prepared to say the slave owners were right and the reformers were wrong.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

John Kennedy asked a long time ago whether any white man in this country would willingly trade places with a black man,unfortunately to a large degree we as a society have not reached the point where this is immaterial ...and anyone who disagrees is fooling themselves.Now of course this is a generalization ,but the whole conversation is based on generalizations and as such it is appropriate....when one can say the color of ones skin truly doesn't matter than we will have reached equality...till than in this country it is still by and large a fortunate thing to be white...

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Popeye walk into a convienace store and arouse no suspicion from the proprietor...now do so as a young black male...you have recieved the benifits of white privilege your whole life(as have I )whether or not you wish to acknowledge it...better housing better schools ,easier and more readilly accesible credit...deny all you want ,but in this country (the only experience I can speak to)it is still better to be born white and poor than black and poor...those born rich of any color have lived an experience much different than mine!

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Slave owners applied your argument at one time. I doubt there are many people around prepared to say the slave owners were right and the reformers were wrong.

MC - That ridiculous statement should discount your arguments for everyone; but I'm afraid it won't. Then again as is standard procedure coming from your argument to not respond but to accuse. It indicates how shallow your arguments have to be in order to take that position.

There is no slavery, there is choice. I refuse and consider your position the most vial form of racial prejudice. I don't apply racist or economic bias to a person's problems as you do. You have such an ego that your, your standard must be applied to the people you deem are in need of help. You enable them to continue to fail because you see them as too weak to accomplish anything without your assistance. If anything - that attitude in in parallel with the slave owners you reference.

I see all people capable of doing anything they like.

Which is the 'slave holder' mentality? Mine, or yours which sees people incapable and wants to further their reliance on you and your ideal of what's best for them, by implementing social engineering programs directed toward them because you know better?

You represent the rationalized position of a slave owner who deemed it necessary to manage the lives of other people because they weren't capable of doing so for themselves.

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Slave owners applied your argument at one time. I doubt there are many people around prepared to say the slave owners were right and the reformers were wrong.

MC - That ridiculous statement should discount your arguments for everyone; but I'm afraid it won't. Then again as is standard procedure coming from your argument to not respond but to accuse. It indicates how shallow your arguments have to be in order to take that position.

There is no slavery, there is choice. I refuse and consider your position the most vial form of racial prejudice. I don't apply racist or economic bias to a person's problems as you do. You have such an ego that your, your standard must be applied to the people you deem are in need of help. You enable them to continue to fail because you see them as too weak to accomplish anything without your assistance. If anything - that attitude in in parallel with the slave owners you reference.

I see all people capable of doing anything they like.

Which is the 'slave holder' mentality? Mine, or yours which sees people incapable and wants to further their reliance on you and your ideal of what's best for them, by implementing social engineering programs directed toward them because you know better?

You represent the rationalized position of a slave owner who deemed it necessary to manage the lives of other people because they weren't capable of doing so for themselves.

You mentioned economics, I didn't. I have simply been arguing for the equal treatment of people and all the evidence points to the fact people aren't treated equally but prejudice still undermines many blacks. However, the argument for the equal treatment of people has always been an anathema to those who see equal treatment as a danger to their economic position by the haves ever since the age of enlightenment. I have never argued for special treatment of blacks but for equal treatment, something they don't have.

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I'm not the one prejudging blacks. I think you did that in your original post.