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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 11:41:40 PM

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I hate to throw facts in the way of "woe is me" whining by white people but please examine this study and then try and argue there is no such thing as white privilege
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=428367

Excuse me, but the argument being made is that there's no such thing as "white people" as a uniformly-the-same everywhere group identifiable by the color of their skin.

It also bears note that the abstract makes no mention of any effort to determine the racial and/or ethnic composition of the Human Resources reviewers who processed the resumes. Too, the abstract reports that "applicants living in better neighborhoods receive more callbacks," and that "this effect does not differ by race" [my underline]. Finally, there is a serious flaw in the assumption that mainstream names correlate with "white people".

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 12:06:59 AM

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Black privelege is being able to say words everyone else can't.

Black privelege is being able to call jews white interlopers and for some reason still possess moral high ground over whites who say "nappy headed hos".

Black privlege is being able to call people racist if they don't vote for Obama.

Black privlege is only supporting a black candidate for president when you have never been political before.

Really, I agree with Morgan Freeman who says "the only way this is going to go away is if we all stop talking about it."

.....gawwwdddd, all this racial garbage makes me wish Colin Powell had run for president.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 12:24:20 AM

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Oh sure!
I got out of the U.S. Navy and couldn't get on the Boston Fire Dept because of "affirmative action."
So, I took my "white priviledge" and joined the U.S. Coast Guard.
Funny thing though, they had to send about 70% of the "aa" hires , cops and firemen to Northeastern U. for "remedial reading and writing courses" because they couldn't make out a proper police or fire report.
And almost half of the cops have either been fired or are in prison for all kinds of serious offenses.
About 8 months ago an "aa" fireman died in a fire and they found crack in his system at the autopsey!
Oh yeah, "white priviledge" did me a lot of good!

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 12:29:52 AM

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General point after reading the thread.

It is quite obvious that all the black people abandoned after Katrina are typical feckless black low life who got what they deserved because they have no drive, no ambition and are happy wallowing in self pity.

It is quite clear blacks were never enslaved, exploited, brutalized and consigned to ghettoes to rot.

Blacks are just too stupid or too lazy to take their life chances that the good old US of A has given them.

Or maybe its just racism is alive and well after all.

After reading this thread, its obviously the latter.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 12:33:02 AM

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I wholeheartedly agree that after reading this thread, something is obvious.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 12:41:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

General point after reading the thread.

It is quite obvious that all the black people abandoned after Katrina are typical feckless black low life who got what they deserved because they have no drive, no ambition and are happy wallowing in self pity.

It is quite clear blacks were never enslaved, exploited, brutalized and consigned to ghettoes to rot.

Blacks are just too stupid or too lazy to take their life chances that the good old US of A has given them.

Or maybe its just racism is alive and well after all.

After reading this thread, its obviously the latter.

Meat, if there's a lesson to be learned by the black people "consigned to the ghettos to rot" it's; "Stop Voting for Democrats!"
*The Democrats promise blacks the fucking MOON and never deliver!*
*Never!*
And in the U.S. no-one is "consigned" to live anywhere.
They may do that in Europe but not here.
You can live wherever you want that you can afford.
No-one's "forcing" anyone to live in a ghetto.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 12:43:42 AM

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No-one's "forcing" anyone to live in a ghetto.

Bingo! We are not born into a station of life we settle there.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 1:18:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

General point after reading the thread.

It is quite obvious that all the black people abandoned after Katrina are typical feckless black low life who got what they deserved because they have no drive, no ambition and are happy wallowing in self pity.

It is quite clear blacks were never enslaved, exploited, brutalized and consigned to ghettoes to rot.

Blacks are just too stupid or too lazy to take their life chances that the good old US of A has given them.

Or maybe its just racism is alive and well after all.

After reading this thread, its obviously the latter.

Meat, if there's a lesson to be learned by the black people "consigned to the ghettos to rot" it's; "Stop Voting for Democrats!"
*The Democrats promise blacks the fucking MOON and never deliver!*
*Never!*
And in the U.S. no-one is "consigned" to live anywhere.
They may do that in Europe but not here.
You can live wherever you want that you can afford.
No-one's "forcing" anyone to live in a ghetto.

To say no one is forced to do anything, is an excuse of the privileged and the haves.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 2:03:58 AM

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To say no one is forced to do anything, is an excuse of the privileged and the haves.

Meat if you've ever been to America, you've obviously never been to a ghetto or anywhere where poor people live. We are a highly mobile society. It's not that difficult to pull up roots and go somewhere else. The poor people who rely on the government to pull them out of poverty, stay in poverty. Yes, it's mostly their fault. Some of them are lazy, some of them have addiction issues, and some of them are just no damn good. I don't care if they're black, white, yellow, or red. I have seen sorry, good for nothing people of every racial stripe.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 2:21:38 AM

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To say no one is forced to do anything, is an excuse of the privileged and the haves.

Meat if you've ever been to America, you've obviously never been to a ghetto or anywhere where poor people live. We are a highly mobile society. It's not that difficult to pull up roots and go somewhere else. The poor people who rely on the government to pull them out of poverty, stay in poverty. Yes, it's mostly their fault. Some of them are lazy, some of them have addiction issues, and some of them are just no damn good. I don't care if they're black, white, yellow, or red. I have seen sorry, good for nothing people of every racial stripe.

According to the 2006 OCED report on social mobility, the USA has the worst social mobility of all developed countries. Britain has the second worst and is just a head of the US. The countries with the most social mobility according to the report are north European social democracies.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 2:40:45 AM

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According to the 2006 OCED report on social mobility, the USA has the worst social mobility of all developed countries. Britain has the second worst and is just a head of the US. The countries with the most social mobility according to the report are north European social democracies.

I wasn't talking about social mobility, I was talking about mobility in terms of logistics. It's easy to move around here. If there are no jobs in a particular area, you pack up and move somewhere else. If your neighborhood is a slum, you pack up and go somewhere else. As far as social mobility, I don't care what the report says. We have oodles of opportunity here. Anyone can go to college or a trade school here. We have pell grants, loans, scholarships, etc. It's simply a matter of getting off of one's ass and doing it. When I hear people bitch and moan about the lack of opportunities, it makes me want to slap them. No one gives you anything in life, you have to go out and get it yourself.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 2:49:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Well Kirata I guess it is helpful when one chooses to look at only one side of the leger,shall I list chapter and verse the examples of White European imperialism...or is it just easier to cite your examples.And let me ask you one other thing,If it was the sons of white who poured buckets of blood into the good earth to end slavery.whose sons were trying to hold those chains in place?

I kinda thought the article is an essay on how the writer perceives the "current" environment and his perceived "white privalege". Why start a time line where it is convenient? I can start with the Roman imperial expansion and the millions of slaves (mostly white) that served white masters. Or we can go back to Egypt and the enslavement of blacks from Nubia, or black tribes in Africa enslaving blacks from weaker tribes.....it's the blood being spilled today in Sierra Leone, Sudan, Nigeria and villages over extensive parts of Africa and the black on black blood that is being spilled. What we are talking about is the lowest common denominator of humankind.

Fast forward to today in America where minority groups, poor people and anyone in need, has access to a pool of hundreds of billions of dollars in aid from the Federal Government, State Governments, local governments and the tens of thousands of religious aid groups, shelters, food pantry's, etc, mostly run by those terrible white former slave masters. My family thankfully immigrated to this country between 1900 and 1914 and faced terrible discrimination and abuse. However, every generation had an opportunity to be whatever it could be. Dozens of relatives have fought and some died in WW2, Korea, and VietNam. The freedom all americans of every color have today, a freedom that has a black man and a woman on the presidential ticket of both parties is as much a monument to the success of our fragile democracy as the flag lifted over Iwo Jima.

If you want to look for warts in American society you will find them. Of course we have to always be involved in the process and try to improve it. However, with all the goverment programs it still comes down to the fact that we have to make a life for ourselves in the final analysis.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 3:00:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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To say no one is forced to do anything, is an excuse of the privileged and the haves.

Meat if you've ever been to America, you've obviously never been to a ghetto or anywhere where poor people live. We are a highly mobile society. It's not that difficult to pull up roots and go somewhere else. The poor people who rely on the government to pull them out of poverty, stay in poverty. Yes, it's mostly their fault. Some of them are lazy, some of them have addiction issues, and some of them are just no damn good. I don't care if they're black, white, yellow, or red. I have seen sorry, good for nothing people of every racial stripe.

Hmm Obviously laziness is inherent in black people when you look at the numbers that are at the bottom of American society.

And there was me thinking all races given the same chances would have an even spread of success and failure.

I'm so so so naive.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 3:29:04 AM

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Hmm Obviously laziness is inherent in black people when you look at the numbers that are at the bottom of American society.

And there was me thinking all races given the same chances would have an even spread of success and failure.

I'm so so so naive.

You are naive if you think racism is the only reason for that. It's a simple minded excuse for a very large problem. Like I said earlier, I doubt you've spent much time in black areas of American cities. As Popeye said earlier, the Democratic party has promised blacks the world for almost 100 years. They haven't delivered, because it's not in their self interest to do so. If you go into any major city in America that has a large black population, you will find a city council made up of Democrats. The neighborhoods never get better, industry moves out instead of moving in, the buildings decay and rot.

If racism were the sole cause for the plight of blacks, than you'll have to explain why it hasn't affected Asians much. They faced enormous discrimination in this country, but yet they prosper. Immigrants come to this country every day with nothing, and they do well. The black population remains stagnant, because the Left has purposely made them dependents of the state.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 3:58:03 AM

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I read something very similar to this a couple of years ago. Sounds like this guy took that info and twisted it into an ad against Palin.

A slight change from the usual bs that people have been using against her, but I doubt it will help the party any.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 4:41:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: OneMoreWaste
Show me examples of where I subjugated and exploited anyone, and I'll listen to them trash me with a suitably apologetic expression on my face.

So you are taking this personally.....I thought the discussion was white privilege,you have just moved it to Tom,Dick and Harry priviledge.

All human interaction comes down to the individual. You are more than the sum of what your ancestors have done, and the choices that you make are your own.

Don't expect me to get all misty-eyed about the "history of subjugation and exploitation" that blacks have suffered at the hands of whites when the underlying topic of discussion is Sen. Obama, who was born with more wealth and privilege than I, and has subsequently parlayed it into great personal success.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 5:09:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

If racism were the sole cause for the plight of blacks, than you'll have to explain why it hasn't affected Asians much. They faced enormous discrimination in this country, but yet they prosper. Immigrants come to this country every day with nothing, and they do well. The black population remains stagnant, because the Left has purposely made them dependents of the state.

Asians didn't have their culture destroyed so they have always had a viable educated middleclass and were not enslaved on mass and shipped to the other side of the world, allocated sub-human status and told for generations they were not as intelligent as other humans.

One just needs to open ones eyes a little to see the inherent problems black people have to overcome.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 5:28:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

If racism were the sole cause for the plight of blacks, than you'll have to explain why it hasn't affected Asians much. They faced enormous discrimination in this country, but yet they prosper. Immigrants come to this country every day with nothing, and they do well. The black population remains stagnant, because the Left has purposely made them dependents of the state.

Asians didn't have their culture destroyed so they have always had a viable educated middleclass and were not enslaved on mass and shipped to the other side of the world, allocated sub-human status and told for generations they were not as intelligent as other humans.

One just needs to open ones eyes a little to see the inherent problems black people have to overcome.

Whoa! Perhaps you should also look at the African's who were selling their own people, number 1.

Number 2, no one's circumstances are permanent. Period. There is a wealth of help garnered for all people. why not use it.

Number 3, explain to me, please, why any blacks who've become successful, don't vote Democrat are labeled traitors to their race, token blacks, or Uncle Tom's?

Number 4, explain to me how looking at 2008, in the eyes of 1850 is going to help. History should be examined. History should be learned from. History should NOT be the crutch that any human being uses to say, "it's your fault I can't do x,y,z."

Number 5, talk about "white" privilege all you want to. The bottom line for any person is it is easier to point the finger, and blame someone else for our own misgivings, rather than take the blame ourselves. Show me a slave, I'll extend a hand. Show me a slaveowner, I'll slap them into next week. The problem is you cannot show me EITHER of the above classes of people, because they no longer exist.

While slavery brought a great stain upon this nation, and I abhor the practice of holding another against their will, we're never going to move past this. And sometimes, again, call me crazy, I think this is perpetuated by people for political gain.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 5:37:01 AM

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Ahhh....so many stripes are showing....
Race in and of itself is perhaps the most dividing of topics. I find it interesting that those who are denying "White Privilege" as the term was used are all white.
To say that it doesn't or hasn't existed would be false. Is it as prevalent as it once was, no. But, honestly folks, look around. Popeye, the police and fireman you speak of
all black? No dirty white cops in Boston? Ask Mr. Bulger, if they ever find him how many white cops he paid for. There is a cultural difference in the races for good or ill.
Blame it on the Democrats?...As laughable as blaming it on the Republicans for not having very many blacks in their party. Do blacks have the right to advance? Certainly but, are there a proportionate amount of "good" schools" in "black areas"? Amazing topic, and one that no one will ever "win" an argument over.I believe in self determination as individuals, anyone who fails doesn't fail because of race nor is anyone guaranteed success because of race but, DO not deny history, it was real and it sets the future in many ways. Just a few observations from another Middle Aged White Guy....

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 5:46:56 AM

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Whoa! Perhaps you should also look at the African's who were selling their own people, number 1.

The Africans that ended up in America were the ones that were sold and enslaved and told they were sub-human. The civil rights movement in the US is barely 50 years old, that is nothing in historical terms, it takes several generations for attitudes to change even in positive environments. Considering the comments by most people on this thread, blacks don't live in a positive environment.

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ORIGINAL: hoodie

Number 2, no one's circumstances are permanent. Period. There is a wealth of help garnered for all people. why not use it.

This is obviously not true, otherwise social mobility in America would be better, not the worst in the developed world according to the OCED.

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ORIGINAL: hoodie

Number 3, explain to me, please, why any blacks who've become successful, don't vote Democrat are labeled traitors to their race, token blacks, or Uncle Tom's?

The psychology of oppression. Its a well understood phenomenon

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Number 4, explain to me how looking at 2008, in the eyes of 1850 is going to help. History should be examined. History should be learned from. History should NOT be the crutch that any human being uses to say, "it's your fault I can't do x,y,z."

No one is looking at 2008 through the eyes of 1850. One just has to look at today's society to see hurdles still exist for blacks that don't for whites.

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ORIGINAL: hoodie

Number 5, talk about "white" privilege all you want to. The bottom line for any person is it is easier to point the finger, and blame someone else for our own misgivings, rather than take the blame ourselves. Show me a slave, I'll extend a hand. Show me a slaveowner, I'll slap them into next week. The problem is you cannot show me EITHER of the above classes of people, because they no longer exist.

While slavery brought a great stain upon this nation, and I abhor the practice of holding another against their will, we're never going to move past this. And sometimes, again, call me crazy, I think this is perpetuated by people for political gain.

Individuals always take racism as a personal criticism and claim they are not racist or responsible but it isn't individuals are necessarily racist but the culture, its the majority that suppresses a minority, usually by unrecognized insidious ways. One has to take time out and study the psycholgy at work to recognize it. Most people don't want to recognize it because it is uncomfortable to consider oneself as part of the oppressive majority.

Just for the record, this is a western problem, not just a US problem.

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