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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/27/2008 4:24:04 PM   
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Since Witchcraft involves scourging , it's a favourite with us.

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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/27/2008 5:14:35 PM   
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Since Witchcraft involves scourging , it's a favourite with us.


 
How….D/s courging!


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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/27/2008 10:30:02 PM   
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I haven't read all the pages and I'm bored so it's the only reason I'm answering, to me a religious match is an important one.

I'm an athiest and would probably have a problem being long term with someone who wasn't as well. For the main reason that, one day I might want kids and if I do I don't want them to be raised in any religious sort of way. I want them to choose on their own if they want to believe in a god or not. And if I'm with someone who is Catholic, Jewish, whatever creed they might want to start pumping the offspring's heads full of their own beliefs right from the womb.

Now of course I might find someone who is religious but is laid back enough to not be hardcore or want to force their kids to be the same religion and agree with my "let them choose" idea...if then it's all cool.



Usako,

Indeed it is tuff being bored / thanks for your input.

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Now will I date someone who is religious? Sure, why not. As long as their not super hardcore about it. Had an ex once who bitched at me anytime I said goddamnit. It was very frustrating.


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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/27/2008 10:35:07 PM   
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persephonee,

But the thing is, that if you believe in a supreme being, is he/she not ythe same one tho called differently by different religions

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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/27/2008 11:32:26 PM   
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Thats the funny thing...im agnostic...and im the major source of his information...everything he knows he learned from me until he started school. i never told him that there was no god...i simply never spoke of it...so imagine my surprise when one day he informed me that he believed in god and jesus etc...not only does he hold a belief that i didnt teach him, but hes apparently gone the christian way...every day i spend with this young man i am amazed by something. Since i firmly believe that i cant know if there is or is not a god...i dont feel as though i can impose my beliefs on him. He holds no such compunction but hes 6....or a Dom....time will tell.

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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 6:06:38 AM   
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Question: How important is religion when determining a potential match for yourself?



At this point in time, it is totally irrelevant. Religion is an idea; we all hold ideas.


NGent,

At this point?? Hoow about prior?

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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 8:21:40 AM   
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After I posted here, I went to a website and asked a question... part of the response I received went like this.

This is an excellent article by Betty Miller that talks about submission.  
What is the definition of submission? It is yielding to another's desires without resistance. Submission to another's wishes is an attitude of the heart done willingly, while surrender is yielding by being forced to do so. Our first submission should be unto the Lord. "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind'' (Matthew 22:37). God never forces someone to follow Him nor does He want us to be forced to follow or yield to another human being. He wants us to lovingly submit to Him and to each other. However, because of the evil in some men's hearts a person under their authority can be abusive and a submissive person can be asked to do things that they do not believe is right. That is why the Bible also gives perimeters to submission. There are Scriptures that give us a guideline as to how far any human being is to submit to another. We need to understand the proper role of submission in marriage so that our homes will be harmonious and free of contention.
The Bible teaches that, in the Spirit, women are equal with men, and each must submit unto Jesus as their spiritual head. In the flesh, in the marriage relationship, women are to be subject to their husband's headship. The Lord ordained that the man be the one that would make final decisions in the home because in any relationship involving two people one must be the final authority. In the marriage, or fleshly relationship, the man is the head and should guide his home and family. In the spirit, Jesus Christ is the head of His family and He guides each member according to His headship. Men are to love their wives like Jesus loves the church. He laid His life down for her. Men that are demanding that their wives submit to them have not learned the right way to win them and that is to love them with the love of the Lord.
"Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and He is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband" (Ephesians 5:21-33).
Submission to a husband does not mean a woman is to be a slave in bondage to that man, but rather it is to be a mutual submission in love. The above scripture says we are to submit unto each other. Submission means to yield or "to set yourself under." From this definition we see we are to yield to one another instead of demanding our own way. Love should be the rule in our homes, and we should "prefer one another." Not only should this be especially true in our homes, but in our church family as well.
"Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another" (Romans 12:10).
Both husband and wife should be submissive and loving. The love of Christ should be the rule in the home. When wifely submission is over-stressed we find it can lead to many problems that cause the husband-wife relationship to be thrown out of balance. Some even stress it to the degree that a wife must obey every command her husband dictates to her. They arrive at this conclusion because of the Scripture, "Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything" (Ephesians 5:24). The word "everything" here is not inclusive of evil things. Women are to submit to their husbands as the church is to submit unto Christ. Christ would never ask anything of the church that was not according to God's Word. Women are never to submit unto things that do not line up with God's Word. 

I still feel and know that God gives me a choice, and altho each persons interpretation of scripture is different, this is one women's interpretation on D/s and "religion." 

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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 8:40:15 AM   
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  Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and He is the saviour of the body. 


Which excludes dominant women with submissive husbands, submissive men, unmarred couples, gay and lesbian couples, poly families. 

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   Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and He is the saviour of the body.  The word "everything" here is not inclusive of evil things.   


Ya can't have it both ways, if everything doesn't include everything then this passage is meaningless.

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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 8:42:34 AM   
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Not to mention people like myself that, though very spiritual, see the bible as a very sadly bastardized version of the original words. Not to mention only a partial.

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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 8:47:33 AM   
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NGent,

At this point?? Hoow about prior?

CP


Well, I'll hold my hands up to a holier-than-thou attitude toward religion and other abstract notions, which is self-serving at best and, ultimately, self-defeating. Religion is simply another organising tool; in the same vein as family, government, work: there's nothing out of the ordinary and nothing to warrant a holier-than-thou attitude.

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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 8:49:57 AM   
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You do make it clear that you are expressing an opinion---I get that---but  it is presumptuous to assume one cannot manage to be a good and decent human unless ‘guided’ by a religious belief system. 



Absolutely. Similarly, you don't have to be a creationist to marvel at the world around you.

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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 9:03:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Not to mention people like myself that, though very spiritual, see the bible as a very sadly bastardized version of the original words. Not to mention only a partial.

If it ever was 'the word of god' what we have today is the cliff notes!


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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 9:10:05 AM   
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You do make it clear that you are expressing an opinion---I get that---but  it is presumptuous to assume one cannot manage to be a good and decent human unless ‘guided’ by a religious belief system. 



Absolutely. Similarly, you don't have to be a creationist to marvel at the world around you.

Yes it is an amazing world and I don't think it matters over much how it came to be!

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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 10:37:10 AM   
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  Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and He is the saviour of the body. 


Which excludes dominant women with submissive husbands, submissive men, unmarred couples, gay and lesbian couples, poly families. 


Not necessarily.  If you read and follow the bible, then you understand it is analogies, proverbs and metaphors.  Husband is a name - no more no less.  It is not defined as male.  Only god is defined as 'he'.  But as all people are god and god is within all - sex and orientation would be irrelevant.
Also, the translations for the word man in the original text is rough at best.  Using words that in honest translation would mean 'persons' or 'soul'.

the.dark.


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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 10:42:34 AM   
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I have no problem with someone having a different set of beliefs than I do, though i'd feel more bonded with someone who was aligned with my own thoughts on the matter.  As long as we share the same basic code of ethics, I don't concern myself with his choice of religion.

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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 10:51:13 AM   
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However, the word husband is generally used and understood to be the male spouse.  But I appreciate the information that it carries a broader meaning.  Thanks! 

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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 10:57:14 AM   
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You are welcome Catize.  It's as LadyT said - the bible that is in general circulation is a bastardized version as are many of the words which was partly laziness and partly ignorance on the part of the scholars that interpreted them.
 
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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 11:01:06 AM   
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some people are just blind they never listen to their spirit voice or inner self they cloud it with to much drama or shut it out or ignore it in so many ways then blame it on everything but their own responsiblity  A lesson of life would go more like this

THERE IS SOMETHING MORE OUT THERE THEN WE KNOW  or can conceviv.  The bible is mans manual to talk to god and to his son  not a lot of hard core logic there   there things in this life we s hould never mess with but its fun watching people try anyway  what waste of time lol  but go for it  we are in a great time of change  our country will either go in a more forward place or backward 20 years we shell see

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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 12:32:13 PM   
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*fast reply*

For a partner in life its very important. For friends and play partners not at all.  How could I live my life day to day with someone that would not understand my look on things because of my religion?


sandy,

Well I agree with the important part but not the very part.

thanks for your thoughts.

CP

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RE: D/s and Religion - 9/28/2008 12:34:47 PM   
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Question: How important is religion when determining a potential match for yourself?



their Religion wasn't.... their Morality was.




Knight

Was?? many times they are one in the same.

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