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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 2:37:37 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		I don't know WHAT you're talking about.

Here, we're talking about private land. It was never open to hunting, etc.

You're talking about mine sites. Do people your way often hunt in mine sites?

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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 2:37:49 PM   
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Windfarms are a blight on the landscape, while reclaimed mine sites are wonderful recreation areas.

Have you never stepped foot outside of the city?

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Your kidding right,...please tell me your kidding?


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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 2:41:14 PM   
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You think that once it's mined that it's wasteland forever?

Recovering it and reclaiming it is the law, and it has been for some time now.

Get serious, if you don't know what you're talking about or if you've never left your building don't try to guess what's happening out-of-doors.

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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 2:41:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Bizarre rambling?

Please...

It's not a windmill here and there, there's one after another dominating the landscape. You can't hunt there, you can't hike there, they're fenced off and there's no trespassing. It may as well be a toxic waste dump.
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Done much hunting or hiking amidst a strip mining operation Sanity....bizarre rambling sounds about right to me....I will say this you are prolific...you can make more whacky post's on more different threads than the rest of your brethren combined...It's all good though,we all need a laugh in these troubled times.

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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 2:42:45 PM   
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As I posted earlier, mike, there's a reclaimed strip mine just to the South of here that I hunt on every Autumn.

It's the law that they're reclaimed.






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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 2:46:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I honestly have no clue what you're arguing about.

I've lived in NYC, Boston, and elsewhere.

But your issue was the windfarms are automatically ugly. They aren't.

I'm sorry they are ugly in your neighborhood, but your generalizations aren't universally true.

If you're interested simply in "winning" arguments, then there's no need for me or anyone else to discuss anything with you--you're just right, no matter what.

If you're interested in finding out what's true around the country (as other people have asked me), that's a different matter.

Tim

P.S. And we have all the same---and plentiful--areas to hunt as we always have.


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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 2:51:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm talking about strip mines and wind farms. You still haven't answered the question: have you ever seen either a strip mine or a wind farm?

A windmill "here and there" IS NOT a wind farm by the way.





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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 2:57:14 PM   
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Now...... you think throwing some squeezed out shale oil into the pipeline some 10-15 years hence (not that anyone would actually undertake it, they ain't pumping what they have leased now) and not stay the course for 10-15 years, is gonna help someone stay warm or something?  Why doesn't wall street IPO it and force the government to buy the wreckage?

What is to be gained by pumping this oil in the future? 

Where you gonna park your car without a house or a garage?

Ron 

BTW, I see there is offshore drilling allowed now, I think they are putting one up off the New Jersey shore....damn good place for it.

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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 2:59:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Strip mining photos -

http://www.fotosearch.com/photos-images/strip-mining.html
 
www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=196321


Strip mining + clear cutting + destroying a mountain top

www.ilovemountains.org/memorial/c436


Wind farms + photos

http://app.tabblo.com/studio/stories/view/195083/
 
http://windeis.anl.gov/guide/photos/index.cfm
 
http://www.wind-works.org/photos/PhotosNorthAmericanWindfarms.html
 
http://www.flickr.com/groups/windfarms/



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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 2:59:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

I'm talking about strip mines and wind farms. You still haven't answered the question: have you ever seen either a strip mine or a wind farm?

A windmill "here and there" IS NOT a wind farm by the way.






I see we have a slow learner here.

I live in clear view of three wind farms. They are all less than 10 miles from here.

But I'm sure you'll tell me what I think of them.

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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 3:00:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Daughter of an oil industry-worker.  Current student who has recently taken and excelled in chemistry, geology, and business management classes.  Oil shale has recently been a topic that my teachers and father have been commenting on.  From what I have been told be these people who's jobs it is to know and understand this stuff:

-Yes, the oil shale reserves in the U.S. are vast and would be more than this country needs for centuries.  The bulk is located in Utah and Colorado, but not in "wastelands" as Sanity states.  They are mostly located in and under the Rocky Mountains; many locations are pristine or close to pristine habitats.

-Previously the only way to extract the oil is to strip-mine the shale itself and crush it.  The monetary cost alone of this process is the reason why we have never tried to harvest it before, as the cost to get the oil was more than it could be sold for to anyone, anywhere.  You would be paying more than $15/gallon at the pump.  The outrage most Americans would have that companies rolled in and flattened the iconic Rocky mountains and destroyed water desperately needed for people and agriculture to keep food prices reasonable was also a reason why we are not currently using it in our cars.

-Currently, this option is just not economically feasible.  There are a lot of people researching how to extract it without destroying the environment, water quality, and still be profitable.  Once it can be proven that whatever method can fulfill all of these points, the government will "probably" green-light it.  I say probably because I am not a physic, and one can never know. No one on this website knows everything about everything.  I do not claim to know everything about this topic, nor any topic.  What I do know is that I have been laughing my ass off reading this thread, because everyone on it seems to speak as thought their word is the end-all, be-all of this conversation.

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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 3:05:36 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		I'm just saying I live near three working windfarms operating peacefully on working farms successfully.

I see them everyday. I'm pretty sure they're real.



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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 3:07:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well with Vendeval's links(thanks Ven)and MissKittySean's concise and comprehensive post(thanks MissKitty).... can we now put this "red herring" of sanity's to bed....sorry sanity,this dog won't hunt whether on a reclaimed strip mine or a pristine wind farm.

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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 3:09:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I asked you twice and you finally answer, so you call me the slow learner, nice.

Is it a windmill "here and there" as you said earlier, and do you think that a windmill "here and there" is going to keep up with growth?

It isn't, and they won't run our ships or our trucks or our trains either.

Obama's half brother in Kenya eeks out a meager living on just twelve bucks a month, and the cost of rice has doubled in the last year or so... how do you think that affects people like him. This inflation is a direct result of higher energy costs.

Britain is pushing for more North sea oil production capacity, it seems everyone including Opec is, everyone is trying to do their part.

Except the United States.

Windmills and solar panels... pfft.

You may as well tell the poor to start eating dirt!


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

I'm talking about strip mines and wind farms. You still haven't answered the question: have you ever seen either a strip mine or a wind farm?

A windmill "here and there" IS NOT a wind farm by the way.






I see we have a slow learner here.

I live in clear view of three wind farms. They are all less than 10 miles from here.

But I'm sure you'll tell me what I think of them.


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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 3:12:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		You wanted to know about wind farms.

Now that you do, you don't like the answer, and scramble for anything you can to throw.

Whatever. Reality is SO unreasonable.

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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 3:15:09 PM   
Sanity


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Status: offline 		Show all the before photos you want Ven, but why not show some reclaimed strip mines as well.


http://images.google.com/images?q=reclaimed%20strip%20mine&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wiwhy


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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 3:18:58 PM   
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If it's not "economically feasible" then why does Harry Reid feel the need to go out of his way to ban it.

No one will even bother with it if there's no money to be made... so your facts aren't adding up, somehow.

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ORIGINAL: MissKittynSean

Daughter of an oil industry-worker.  Current student who has recently taken and excelled in chemistry, geology, and business management classes.  Oil shale has recently been a topic that my teachers and father have been commenting on.  From what I have been told be these people who's jobs it is to know and understand this stuff:

-Yes, the oil shale reserves in the U.S. are vast and would be more than this country needs for centuries.  The bulk is located in Utah and Colorado, but not in "wastelands" as Sanity states.  They are mostly located in and under the Rocky Mountains; many locations are pristine or close to pristine habitats.

-Previously the only way to extract the oil is to strip-mine the shale itself and crush it.  The monetary cost alone of this process is the reason why we have never tried to harvest it before, as the cost to get the oil was more than it could be sold for to anyone, anywhere.  You would be paying more than $15/gallon at the pump.  The outrage most Americans would have that companies rolled in and flattened the iconic Rocky mountains and destroyed water desperately needed for people and agriculture to keep food prices reasonable was also a reason why we are not currently using it in our cars.

-Currently, this option is just not economically feasible.  There are a lot of people researching how to extract it without destroying the environment, water quality, and still be profitable.  Once it can be proven that whatever method can fulfill all of these points, the government will "probably" green-light it.  I say probably because I am not a physic, and one can never know. No one on this website knows everything about everything.  I do not claim to know everything about this topic, nor any topic.  What I do know is that I have been laughing my ass off reading this thread, because everyone on it seems to speak as thought their word is the end-all, be-all of this conversation.


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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 3:20:10 PM   
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Is strip mining economicaly or ecologicaly feasible?...No is the short answer.

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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 3:20:23 PM   
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RE: Reid to Renew Oil Shale Ban, Deny Americans Vast En... - 9/26/2008 3:26:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NumberSix
BTW, I see there is offshore drilling allowed now, I think they are putting one up off the New Jersey shore....damn good place for it.

Ron


Hey!  Don't knock Jersey.  I live here after all so it can't be all that bad.   Plus, you'll never get a finer blow job than in NJ.   It's our state motto.

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