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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

What pat of Miss KittySean's post did you not get Sanity?
Is strip mining economicaly or ecologicaly feasible?...No is the short answer.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Ah. Seems his issue is to keep strip mines open.

This, of course, has nothing to do with starting new wind farms on sites that previously weren't energy producers.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Then why ban it?

The short answer, either it currently is ecologically feasible, or someone is afraid that with a little bit of research it might become ecologically feasible.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Why not strip mine the oil shale and then plant a windfarm where the strip mine was, and make everyone happy.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Ah. Seems his issue is to keep strip mines open.

This, of course, has nothing to do with starting new wind farms on sites that previously weren't energy producers.

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ORIGINAL: MissKittynSean

Whoa, whoa.  For a while I just thought that you were hostile because everyone was belittling your ideas and not answering your question.  I was not in agreement with you, but I felt bad that you were being ganged up on for your opinion, to which you are entitled to.  But if you ACTUALLY think that strip-mining the Rockies is a good idea and you are not joking, then you need some mental help.  That is like saying let's turn the Grand Canyon into a landfill and reclaim the newly flat land for solar panels; or how about cutting down every tree in the Northwest to make room for organic farms?  You can't create a huge ecological disaster and then put something on top of "reclaimed land" that makes green party people happy and call it a success.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Not to keep strip mines open, but to allow new strip mines to be opened, creating many high paying jobs and providing affordable energy and keeping American dollars here in America.

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Your petty personal attacks aside, ken, once that windmill is on that land that land is as gone as if it had been strip mined.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Nobody is talking about "strip mining the Rockies"

Sorry, and I mean no offense, but that statement is just silly!

Nobody is talking about filling in the Grand Canyon, or cutting down all the trees, either.

Do you have no idea how vast the West is, how much land there is out here? Come drive across it sometime, you'll be amazed by how big it is...

We can mine some of it and it won't hurt a thing.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

That's funny Sanity. You do understand that oil shale will definitely run out right? Do you expect the wind to stop blowing first? Renewable energy industries are the way to go if you actually want new jobs in the US as well as energy independence.

BTW mine jobs are not high paying but high tech manufacturing, like making wind turbines or solar panels, is high paying.

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ORIGINAL: MissKittynSean
And no offense to you, but your behavior on this board is pretty silly.  You have no idea who I am and what I know.  I LIVE in the west.  Born and raised as a Cali girl (but not the vapid kind).  I have spent a lot of time in Utah, Montana, Idaho, Oregon, Washington, and Nevada where I have family living.  Most of my time out in those places is typically country/wilderness.  I am an agriculture science major, and I spend a lot of time out in the vast openness of our region.  But the locations that are prime for oil shale extraction are in the Rockies, and the amount of locations that are already on flat land or "wasteland" that are still economically viable is minimal in comparison. 
Mining always hurts something.  It always destroys a habitat.  There is no way it can ever go back to what it once was.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


As described in the OP, the oil in the shale oil deposits is equivalent to two and a half times the oil deposits of Saudi Arabia... and mine jobs have very good pay scales, which there's no need to even worry about comparing them to windfarm or windfarm tech jobs because they don't compete with each other. I'm not against wind power but, like I've said over and over again in this thread already, wind and solar isn't enough, and it's not the only kind of power that we need.

The tech jobs you describe are probably all in China anyway, where a new coal powerplant comes on line every day, providing extremely dirty power for mere pennies per kilowatt hour...

In other words, we're not saving the planet by refusing to access this energy source, we're more likely making things worse by sending all these jobs overseas where power and labor can both be had for cheap. Any mining and extraction process here would have to be fairly clean due to EPA regulations while in China, not so much.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

That's funny Sanity. You do understand that oil shale will definitely run out right? Do you expect the wind to stop blowing first? Renewable energy industries are the way to go if you actually want new jobs in the US as well as energy independence.

BTW mine jobs are not high paying but high tech manufacturing, like making wind turbines or solar panels, is high paying.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So again, seems you aren't talking about energy or wind farms, but minng.

Why not just start a thread to address what you are really talking about?