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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 2:20:08 PM   
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Thatcher drove me out, I couldn't stand her rightwing politics..


She was one of the few good things about Britain. She saved the place from complete disaster.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 2:20:18 PM   
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Its not as if Britain impacts on New Zealand


Incorrect but gladly they don't have as much impact today as we've diversified.


Well I guess if Britain hadn't impacted on New Zealand, you wouldn't be there so you have something to be thankful for us for.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 2:21:52 PM   
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Its not as if Britain impacts on New Zealand


Incorrect but gladly they don't have as much impact today as we've diversified.


Well I guess if Britain hadn't impacted on New Zealand, you wouldn't be there so you have something to be thankful for us for.


That's right, those with any sense at the time knew to leave.


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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 2:24:49 PM   
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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 2:24:53 PM   
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Thatcher drove me out, I couldn't stand her rightwing politics..


She was one of the few good things about Britain. She saved the place from complete disaster.


This is as bizarre as your other statements but she does have her fans and it is due to her policies and Labour's adoption of them that has left Britain far more exposed to the current crisis than its neighbours.

I know her publicity was that she would make Britain great again but she was in fact a loser, she wasted much of the oil money, threw good industries out with the bad and gave her pals tax cuts while she allowed swathes of the country to rot.

Little fucking Englanders supported her for a fighting a war that would never have needed to be fought if she had not decided to get rid of the last vessel to serve the Falklands and send the Argentines the message the British government didn't give a fuck about the islands and no one did give a fuck about them. Most people didn't even know where they were, it was the perceived national insult that upset everyone, not that anyone was really bothered about the islands. Another stupid war fighting over rocks and waste ground.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 2:27:39 PM   
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Thatcher drove me out, I couldn't stand her rightwing politics..


She was one of the few good things about Britain. She saved the place from complete disaster.

Oh good god, you really do not have any idea do you.  Thats like telling the US that Bush has done the US a favour for the past 8 years.
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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 2:33:21 PM   
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Thatcher drove me out, I couldn't stand her rightwing politics..


She was one of the few good things about Britain. She saved the place from complete disaster.


This is as bizarre as your other statements but she does have her fans and it is due to her policies and Labour's adoption of them that has left Britain far more exposed to the current crisis than its neighbours.

I know her publicity was that she would make Britain great again but she was in fact a loser, she wasted much of the oil money, threw good industries out with the bad and gave her pals tax cuts while she allowed swathes of the country to rot.


You're completely wrong. Britain when she came to power was a socialist nightmare. The industry was antiquated and making crap very expensively. The next step was bankruptcy. She got Britain back going again. The current mess is down to too much market interference. Basically Thatcher didn't go far enough. The economies of Europe and the USA are not functioning properly due to over regulation and protectionism. The meltdown is another USSR collapse, but manifesting itself in different ways. Instead of endless queues you've got housing going bust etc. The answer appears to be more of the same, more regulation and more socialist controls. The central planners always think they can solve things. All that is happening is the're doubling up and hoping the roulette wheel is kinder next time.

What Europe and North America needs to do to survive is restructure their economies. Embrace capitalism. The alternative is that in the coming years you'll be surpassed completely, if it hasn't happened already.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 2:34:21 PM   
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Thatcher drove me out, I couldn't stand her rightwing politics..


She was one of the few good things about Britain. She saved the place from complete disaster.

Oh good god, you really do not have any idea do you.  Thats like telling the US that Bush has done the US a favour for the past 8 years.
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Bush has a mixed record, but then he's had a lot to deal with on his watch. All in all, he's been quite good.


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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 2:42:51 PM   
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You're completely wrong. Britain when she came to power was a socialist nightmare. The industry was antiquated and making crap very expensively. The next step was bankruptcy. She got Britain back going again. The current mess is down to too much market interference. Basically Thatcher didn't go far enough. The economies of Europe and the USA are not functioning properly due to over regulation and protectionism. The meltdown is another USSR collapse, but manifesting itself in different ways. Insterd of endless queues you've got housing going bust etc. The answer appears to be more of the same, more regulation and more socialist controls. The central planners always think they can solve things. All that is happening is the're doubling up and hoping the roulette wheel is kinder next time.

What Europe and North America needs to do to survive is restructure their economies. Embrace capitalism. The alternative is that in the coming years you'll be surpassed completely, if it hasn't happened already.


Now you've lost the plot Paulnz, it was Thatcherite and Reaganomics policies that set the ball rolling to this current crisis where old fashioned socilaist intervention (Ssssh, we aren't allowed to use that word) has had to step in to rescue the situation. Deregulation has failed and even bankers and financiers accept that there is going to be tighter government regulation in the future.

As for Thatcher's other policies, she ruined perfectly good trasnsport systems and made them so expensive, so inefficient that people stopped using public transport and bought cars. From where I lived, I could get into the nearest city in 30 minutes for 25 pence before Thatcher deregulated the system, six months after deregulation it took 70 minutes to the nearest city for 125 pence. How about that for improvement! That was a typical result of her policies.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 2:43:22 PM   
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Bush has a mixed record, but then he's had a lot to deal with on his watch. All in all, he's been quite good.

Only if "good" means something different in NZ than it does here.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 2:47:18 PM   
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Deregulation has failed and even bankers and financiers accept that there is going to be tighter government regulation in the future.


What has failed is ' deregulation ' better described as re-regulation of the wrong sort. Bankers of course want tighter controls as it stifles competition and makes it easier for them to monopolise and thus make more money. You're being screwed and don't even realise it. It's like handing the hold-up man a gun to use on you. Your economies are in dire straights because of the structural weaknesses brought about by government interference.

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 How about that for improvement! That was a typical result of her policies.


You had a car. Before Thatcher you were on the way to a hand cart.



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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 3:06:35 PM   
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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 3:11:38 PM   
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You had a car. Before Thatcher you were on the way to a hand cart.


Can any Brit hand on heart say this is wrong ?

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 3:17:24 PM   
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 How about that for improvement! That was a typical result of her policies.


You had a car. Before Thatcher you were on the way to a hand cart.




Before Thatcher, I didn't need a car.

Britain's transport infrastructure is third world, its a nightmare trying to get from one side of the country to the other, nothing works, that is why politicians usually travel by plane or helicopter.

What the hell, you can live in your alternative universe where Thatcher put the great back into Britain, I've lived there, along with France, Belgium, Holland and germany and all the latter have better infrastructures and life styles than good old fashioned capitalist Britain.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 3:29:44 PM   
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You had a car. Before Thatcher you were on the way to a hand cart.


Can any Brit hand on heart say this is wrong ?



Before Thacther you could drive your car all the way into the city, post Thathcher you are stuck in a traffic jam two miles down the motorway.

Its pointless having a car if all you can do is park it on the motorway for two hours each morning and evening and once you eventually get into the city you can't find a parking space and if you are lucky enough to find a parking space, it takes half of your day's pay to pay for it.

Britain's transport policy was thought up in an asylum somewhere.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 3:33:11 PM   
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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 4:21:30 PM   
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yes hand on heart, Thatcher was a freakin nightmare.....
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Not completely Lucy. The unions  did need sorting out, and even some of the monetary policies she used were the idea of Callaghans government. Much has been done since she left office, that could have averted the current crisis, if done differently. The right to buy was thought to be good idea, i didnt spot many labour voters refusing the option at the time.


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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 4:34:25 PM   
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Funny, it was the Welsh the Scottish and the Irish rotting in the trenches during WW1.  So not only do they have to die for the English they have to pay for English prisons too ?


Absolute bullshit, this is so far off the mark it is untrue, and just shows your complete ignorance. Most of my grandparents generation of my family died in WW1. Not only is your remark offensive, its total bollocks.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 4:47:10 PM   
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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/13/2008 4:50:41 PM   
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You had a car. Before Thatcher you were on the way to a hand cart.
Can any Brit hand on heart say this is wrong ?

Before Thacther you could drive your car all the way into the city, post Thatcher you are stuck in a traffic jam two miles down the motorway.

Its pointless having a car if all you can do is park it on the motorway for two hours each morning and evening and once you eventually get into the city you can't find a parking space and if you are lucky enough to find a parking space, it takes half of your day's pay to pay for it.

Britain's transport policy was thought up in an asylum somewhere.
I dont think traffic jams are a good argument against Mrs T.
In fact much traffic congestion is caused by the social engineers locating traffic lights every 2/300 yards and functioning 24 hours a day.
Massive increase in car ownership came about thru' the success of world wide manufacture coupled with, dare I say it today, freeing up of credit availability.

The fact is many make/made considerable effort to own a car. I just know that you dont believe that car ownership should be restricted to toffs like me.
Fewer traffic jams in Wales I expect.

I note Scottish parliament is backward coming forward helping to "save" the Royal Bank of Scotland.
Leave it to the sassenach I guess.

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