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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/17/2008 8:08:21 PM   
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Pro-Dommes get alot of stick, the tribute being the main factor really for many to stomach, and digest.
Being a lifestyle/pro-Dominant, I do not have a category really to fall into, however just prefer to reveal myself as a Pro-Style Domme
Why do non profit/none pro Dominants/submissives, look down at Professional Dominants/Pro Submissives?
You dont really hear many Pro-Tops saying "more fool you, for not charging" to lifestyle/none tribute Dominants/subs, so the stigma of taking payment for a genuine passion/career is still raw and unacceptable in some eyes, which is their opinion, which I also respect.
Surely a Professional Dominant/sub/fetishist can enjoy the lifestyle, aswell as investing & enjoying a career out of his/her passion, and something they have skills and job satisfaction with!
Many non profit/tribute Dominants/submissives, cannot understand the dynamic of a paid transaction/tribute based sessions, and only see the romanticism of a poly or monogamous D/S or s/m or BDSM relationship, which I respect, and each to their own.
Service Tops fill the void for those that wish: a quick fix, convenience, fetishes (especially which leather and latex are very expensive), an abundance of equipment, and the none commitment of sharing a session with the option to leave, and walk back into their own structured day to day lives.
Many I see for sessions, professional or not, say the release and escapism from day to day life, is the main focus of their reason for sessions, aswell as sharing a senario/time/session with "yours truly" lol
So some enjoy the "tribute and go" aspect, no responsibilities, and many tribute paying subs/players/fetishists wish not to have a romantic relationship, they like to keep their interests private/individual/discreet, and many do not wish the 24/7 commitment of a non pro BDSM lifestyle.
Life does indeed get in the way, for many to indulge or to have any hands on involvement/experience in any BDSM activities: children, partners not really into it, disabilities, hectic work schedules/busy lives overall etc.
So for many I understand the tribute aspect, in a Pro/Service Top arrangement may not be for many, but like myself there are many lifestyle/service Tops too
I will happily just need to sit in the Pro Domme bracket of the system, after all they are only labels aren't they

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I colored the text in the above so it could be understood what I was addressing.

Actually, that first one I hear all of the time.  I get it on a regular basis.

For the second one, I don't think the term service top should be confused with professional dominant.  Here the term service top has nothing to do with tribute.  It's done specifically as a service, without payment being involved.


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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/17/2008 8:10:56 PM   
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I don't think there is anything wrong with professional domination. It's a business transaction. If you can provide a service that someone else wants to pay you to perform then good for you. I am all for capitalism. Having said that any pro domme using this free kinky matchmaking site to advertise their services deserves all the grief they get heaped on them. Most of that comes from male submissives here and I don't blame them a bit. If they're really professionals then they should behave line one and get a real website to advertise on. I'd dom professionally if I thought I could make money at it. I would not be a slacker and advertise here, however.

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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/17/2008 9:21:47 PM   
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Evility, I agree on the advertisment, I do state in my profile that I am a proffessional domme, but it is because I have my personal relationships sorted, and state being a proffessional to deter subs looking for lifestyle or such from sending a letter, saving both of us time. I am however on the site because aside from being a pro-domme, I am also a lifestyle domme with high interest in human connections and BDSM, so I attend the chatboards and enjoy the discussion. That is the reason I am registered here in the first place, not to seek customers. The majority of the people here live in other continents than me so seeking customers here would be silly to say the least.

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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 12:18:13 AM   
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Did you have a question or is this an ad?


Well many have contributed to the op, so surely not an ad

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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 12:18:13 AM   
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I find the name Pro Domme confusing...like it is the elite....Domme by profession would be better
(lol..but somehow  I read Pro always as better)

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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 12:30:40 AM   
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I find the name Pro Domme confusing...like it is the elite....Domme by profession would be better
(lol..but somehow  I read Pro always as better)


Oh that is a lovely label, reverse it to suit


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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 12:34:11 AM   
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I don't think there is anything wrong with professional domination. It's a business transaction. If you can provide a service that someone else wants to pay you to perform then good for you. I am all for capitalism. Having said that any pro domme using this free kinky matchmaking site to advertise their services deserves all the grief they get heaped on them. Most of that comes from male submissives here and I don't blame them a bit. If they're really professionals then they should behave line one and get a real website to advertise on. I'd dom professionally if I thought I could make money at it. I would not be a slacker and advertise here, however.



This site is not one I would consider advertising potential, so CM is safe I assure you  lol 

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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 12:40:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressRouge

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

I find the name Pro Domme confusing...like it is the elite....Domme by profession would be better
(lol..but somehow  I read Pro always as better)


Oh that is a lovely label, reverse it to suit



reversing it would be Orp....doesn't sound sexy
(tis early :P )

No seriously...Pro can lead to confussion....by  some.
Who gives some one the label pro...what security do they have...other then paying.
Damn..I am curious today.

(Btw..serious question..not to make fun of any one)

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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 1:49:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressRouge

quote:

ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

I find the name Pro Domme confusing...like it is the elite....Domme by profession would be better
(lol..but somehow  I read Pro always as better)


Oh that is a lovely label, reverse it to suit



reversing it would be Orp....doesn't sound sexy
(tis early :P )

No seriously...Pro can lead to confussion....by  some.
Who gives some one the label pro...what security do they have...other then paying.
Damn..I am curious today.

(Btw..serious question..not to make fun of any one)


I actually agree with you

I am on a few forums, and this discussion is being raised at the moment infact.
Professional can infact imply that everything else  in contrast is Amateur, which can also imply arrogance or professing to be above all others etc etc.

So I too agree with your statement, and I am pleased that this discussion is indeed, creating a stir, as it is on the other forums I have popped it on lol  

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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 2:11:45 AM   
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Mistress Rouge,

As another pro domme, I hear your complaints in a way that I feel other responders don't realize the issue exists. For instance, many times I have moved to a new city and wished to become involved in local bdsm communities only to be chastised by the lifestylers immensely.

Personally, I don't think that it has anything to do with conceptions or misconceptions about prostitution. I think that one of two things occur: Either, people believe that we don't have a passion for it and use that silly notion as a way to momentarily exalt themselves; or, (believe it or not I mean this as a valid argument) they hate getting shown up at the munches and parties, because we are usually thinner, younger, and in spectacular wardrobe. This becomes a quick threat. So they retreat to any reason to ostracize us to remove the competition. That's been my experience. Sadly.

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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 5:00:36 AM   
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Mistress Rouge,

As another pro domme, I hear your complaints in a way that I feel other responders don't realize the issue exists. For instance, many times I have moved to a new city and wished to become involved in local bdsm communities only to be chastised by the lifestylers immensely.

Personally, I don't think that it has anything to do with conceptions or misconceptions about prostitution. I think that one of two things occur: Either, people believe that we don't have a passion for it and use that silly notion as a way to momentarily exalt themselves; or, (believe it or not I mean this as a valid argument) they hate getting shown up at the munches and parties, because we are usually thinner, younger, and in spectacular wardrobe. This becomes a quick threat. So they retreat to any reason to ostracize us to remove the competition. That's been my experience. Sadly.

Mistress Penelope St. Devi


I guess it is a 2 way situation;
People are prejudiced....and some Pro's are just plain cocky (if that is possible for females...lol)
Some profiles of Dom's..state they both are Pro's aswel as looking for themselfs as private persons. I think adding that last part makes them look human...and they get eassier to be accepted.

The point about beeing younger, slimmer and more dresses....is propably..(not meant negative)...that you have to sell yourself.  At least partly.
On the other side..the profiles of the 18~20 year old Pro's...sound terrible.  Not a good commercial for the whole group.
What I personally fidn weird..is that there are suddenly so many Pro's. ...propably with way other intentions that the "serious"pro's that always have been here.

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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 5:54:16 AM   
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Mistress Rouge,

As another pro domme, I hear your complaints in a way that I feel other responders don't realize the issue exists. For instance, many times I have moved to a new city and wished to become involved in local bdsm communities only to be chastised by the lifestylers immensely.

Personally, I don't think that it has anything to do with conceptions or misconceptions about prostitution. I think that one of two things occur: Either, people believe that we don't have a passion for it and use that silly notion as a way to momentarily exalt themselves; or, (believe it or not I mean this as a valid argument) they hate getting shown up at the munches and parties, because we are usually thinner, younger, and in spectacular wardrobe. This becomes a quick threat. So they retreat to any reason to ostracize us to remove the competition. That's been my experience. Sadly.

Mistress Penelope St. Devi

I'm not going to completely disagree with some of what you have said here, however, I don't think it's entirely correct.

I stole this line from someone else who posts on these boards.  I believe it was CreativeDominant, but I could be mistaken.  (Somebody please correct Me if I'm wrong.)  Just like every doctor didn't graduate at the top of his class, not every professional dominant is at the top of her field either.  Like any other profession, there are those who are good at it and love what the do, ranging through the ones who haven't got a clue except for the fact that they've found a lovely way to scam some folks and make a buck.  I have a particular disdain for the latter.  Not knowing where you fall on the scale, I hope that is not offensive.

Actually, I do think some of the difficulties that you've had in entering new lifestyle BDSM communities might have something to do with the potential link to prostitution.  People have the right to exlude folks who may be conducting illegal activities within their circle.  If you'd care to wander over to the "Ask A Mistress" forum, it won't take you long to find threads on how sexual release is one of the services that some professional dominants offer.  I'm not saying everyone.  I'm saying some.  However, that's enough of a concern for potential legal issues for a lifestyle group.  It may be a bit zealous, but just think of what could happen the first time a professional brough a paying client to a private play party.

As for the 'being shown up' part because of the being younger, prettier, yadda, yadda...... I'm not going for that one, either.  If you happen to be young, pretty *and* have some skills, you might have a leg to stand on there. 


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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 7:03:45 AM   
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I'm not going to completely disagree with some of what you have said here, however, I don't think it's entirely correct.


lol not sure who said it..but it is 2 times the same :P no matter how cool it sounds

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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 8:35:36 AM   
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Well, I couldn't possibly say that none of the points have merit.  I'm sure some of them do.  I've been rather rough on some of the pros from time to time.  There are those like Rouge, who have gained My respect exactly because I've learned over time that she does have a passion for what she does.  She and I don't always agree on the topic because we have different views about what works for each of us.  Still, I can't deny My personal opinion of what I believe is a good assessment of her skill level.  Though I've never met her, I've listened to the things she's written.  Quality isn't that hard to spot.  I happen to think she has it. 

Just because someone slaps the title of "professional" on themselves really doesn't mean squat to Me.  What matters more is the concept of is that person a competent professional. 


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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 9:29:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: world4penelope

Mistress Rouge,

As another pro domme, I hear your complaints in a way that I feel other responders don't realize the issue exists. For instance, many times I have moved to a new city and wished to become involved in local bdsm communities only to be chastised by the lifestylers immensely.

Personally, I don't think that it has anything to do with conceptions or misconceptions about prostitution. I think that one of two things occur: Either, people believe that we don't have a passion for it and use that silly notion as a way to momentarily exalt themselves; or, (believe it or not I mean this as a valid argument) they hate getting shown up at the munches and parties, because we are usually thinner, younger, and in spectacular wardrobe. This becomes a quick threat. So they retreat to any reason to ostracize us to remove the competition. That's been my experience. Sadly.

Mistress Penelope St. Devi


Hello Mistress Penelope :)

I frequent  BDSM workshops/munches/events, BDSM/Fetish clubs and some play parties too, love them!.

I  am under no illusions that *some* folk maybe under the impression that I attend various events/clubs to tout for trade, even online in forums like this as the "ad accusations" in previous posts in this discussion.

Not the fact that I may choose to buy equipment there, outfits or "shock horror" I may actually enjoy the social/play aspect of the scene, with genuine enthusiasm meeting friends & not one professional client in sight no money involved lol.

So my motive maybe judged, and wrongly concluded with many, but hey that is their perception

I am not even too bothered with the "working in  the sex industry, sex worker, prostitute"  label whatsoever, and I too feel it is more deep-rooted then that.

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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 9:34:26 AM   
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Well, I couldn't possibly say that none of the points have merit.  I'm sure some of them do.  I've been rather rough on some of the pros from time to time.  There are those like Rouge, who have gained My respect exactly because I've learned over time that she does have a passion for what she does.  She and I don't always agree on the topic because we have different views about what works for each of us.  Still, I can't deny My personal opinion of what I believe is a good assessment of her skill level.  Though I've never met her, I've listened to the things she's written.  Quality isn't that hard to spot.  I happen to think she has it. 

Just because someone slaps the title of "professional" on themselves really doesn't mean squat to Me.  What matters more is the concept of is that person a competent professional. 



Thankyou Lady Pact.

I do not even like the term Professional myself personally, Sadist - now that's a different story lol.

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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 2:41:20 PM   
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I personally use the title Professional for two reasons only, a) it is what has been used by others, see no reason in inventing the wheel and b) in the same way a golfer who goes on pro tournaments or photographer who has a studio and takes pictures for a living. On the other hand, I believe I am professional in what I do and was in the meaning "good and accomplished" in my field long before I started charging for some of my sessions. Which in my book is what all pro-dommes should be, first good on their own therms, and like MistressRouge said I'd probably prefer sadist also as that is my best field :)

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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/18/2008 6:17:33 PM   
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From reading some of the comments on this topic has an undercurrent of animosity which I feel is undeserved towards the posters who are able to make a living from being a Professional Domme. I mean, it is another way for a person to earn an income to either support themselves or as extra income to improve their standard of living. Frankly, if a male or a female is able to earn income from being a Pro Dom or Domme, I say more power to them. They offer a service which for many, is needed and sought after. Yet when you look past a person's label of Pro, there still is a living and breathing human being under that job title.
   


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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/20/2008 10:55:52 PM   
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I personally use the title Professional for two reasons only, a) it is what has been used by others, see no reason in inventing the wheel and b) in the same way a golfer who goes on pro tournaments or photographer who has a studio and takes pictures for a living. On the other hand, I believe I am professional in what I do and was in the meaning "good and accomplished" in my field long before I started charging for some of my sessions. Which in my book is what all pro-dommes should be, first good on their own therms, and like MistressRouge said I'd probably prefer sadist also as that is my best field :)


Pro means your paid.  You could be the worst pro in the world...  after all someone has to be the worst at what they do for a living.  I still find it odd that some of the pros that have responded why I do this for a living.  I don't see the other poster having to "explain" their profession. 

Food for thought.  BadOne

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RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. - 10/20/2008 11:21:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DontUDare

I personally use the title Professional for two reasons only, a) it is what has been used by others, see no reason in inventing the wheel and b) in the same way a golfer who goes on pro tournaments or photographer who has a studio and takes pictures for a living. On the other hand, I believe I am professional in what I do and was in the meaning "good and accomplished" in my field long before I started charging for some of my sessions. Which in my book is what all pro-dommes should be, first good on their own therms, and like MistressRouge said I'd probably prefer sadist also as that is my best field :)


Pro means your paid.  You could be the worst pro in the world...  after all someone has to be the worst at what they do for a living.  I still find it odd that some of the pros that have responded why I do this for a living.  I don't see the other poster having to "explain" their profession. 

Food for thought.  BadOne


I have a feeling that an Engineer would explain his profession when asked as well. Just sayinnnnnn.... ^_^

I have yet to figure out why 'Lifestyle' people get so pissy at pro's. I have never actually had a 'nillar' get upset, but the lifestyle people almost pee themselves over this topic. Nillars think it's awesome, and demand stories and want to see the toys.



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