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Sanity -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 6:07:23 AM)

Good morning Elisabella,

It's wrong either way, dehumanizing political opponents in order to justify an extreme kind of hatred towards them that is normally taboo. It's a sort of a mental game that they play that allows them to become more primitive in their hateful feelings, and we Conservatives should try and avoid sinking to that level.

It isn't right when they do it, and it isn't right when we do it. That beings said though, I know it's deliciously tempting to watch the people who have been attacking leading Conservatives in similar veins for years suddenly become righteously  indignant when the tables are turned... and I'm also aware that race is being used in this campaign as a tool, as a card to hold Obama above any criticism as much as possible.

And the media refuses to investigate him or his past, or his past associates as they would if he were a Conservative - but I don't think that has as much to do with race as it does his far left tendencies being aligned with the media's far left tendencies.






SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 6:14:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
But the only difference between portraying a white man as a monkey and portraying a black man as a monkey is in the mind of the beholder.


That might be true if there wasn't a nasty history of that kind of comparison, which there is and we should all be aware of it, even the stupid comedians among us.

We've already established that one is being attacked for his track record therefore I don't really think the two situations in the op are equivalent at all, since it's well publicised that one candidate has no track record to attack. People need to stop justifying the unjustifiable. 
 



MadRabbit -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 6:34:10 AM)

Your just afraid of a Barrack Obama presidency, Elisabella. [:D]

(heavily sarcastic)



Sanity -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 6:42:35 AM)


Bull shit. John Kerry voted for the Iraq war, Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war, Bill Clinton signed legislation making the overthrow of Saddam Hussein by law a priority of the United States, where are all the portrayals of them as sub human primates. Why don't people delirious with insane hatred try to arrest them when they speak in public...

Track record has nothing to do with it, it's all about political affiliation and anyone "guilty" of having thoughts or ideas that compete with the Liberal theology are targeted with a hatred comparable in every way with the worst kind of racism.


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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
That might be true if there wasn't a nasty history of that kind of comparison, which there is and we should all be aware of it, even the stupid comedians among us.

We've already established that one is being attacked for his track record therefore I don't really think the two situations in the op are equivalent at all, since it's well publicised that one candidate has no track record to attack. People need to stop justifying the unjustifiable. 
 



LadyEllen -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 6:53:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

If anything, I think that the people getting upset about the Obama/Satisfied Fred comparison are the real racists. They are the ones who are demanding special treatment for a person based on race. They are the ones who are automatically assuming that the t-shirts were a slight on Mr. Obama's race, rather than being able to laugh at the superficial physical resemblence, the same way they would have laughed at the superficial physical resemblence between Mr. Bush and Curious George.

I don't know if it's possible to be truly "color blind" but it would be nice if we stopped focusing so much on it.



There is a world of difference between considering someone an ass because of their words and deeds, and considering someone an ass when they carry the weight of centuries of abuse in their saddlebags.

It would be nice if the past could be forgotten - the problem is that there is no such thing as the past, only a present which is the sum of all previous circumstances.

E



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 6:55:50 AM)

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where are all the portrayals of them as sub human primates

 
http://www.pritchettcartoons.com/attack.htm



StrangerThan -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 6:57:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

ppl will play the race card whether its needed or not

BadOne


and some are absolutely dying to use it. Reminds me of the commercial for dog treats where the cartoon dog runs around yelling bacon, bacon, bacon. Irony at it's best that those who scream racism the most also manufacture reasons to scream sometimes and by doing so, paint themselves as those who won't look past skin color.



meatcleaver -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 6:59:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

When you portray a blackman as a chimp, everyone knows you portray him as being left behind by evolution and hence, not fully human.

That association is entirely in your mind. It never occurred to me.
 
Now that I think about it, though, I do recall some old racist shit along those lines. But in my case, it didn't stick.
 
Have a nice day.
 
K.
  


You know that white culture is full of references to black people being monkey like and less than human, to deny it is racist, to own it, is to move forward.

To vaguely remember some old racist shit like that is to have a very short memory because it is still around, though more closeted than it used to when it was all right to think blacks were less than human.



lronitulstahp -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 7:06:16 AM)

 

i relaize for some here, this will be wanking material....
http://nnnforum.org/forums/showthread.php?t=122750

http://www.jabpage.org/posts/blonkey.html

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=6612

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/4/23/52328/6175

http://www.nazi-lauck-nsdapao.com/nigger-jokes.html

For those of you that didn't realize the significance of "monkey" as a derogatory racist statement because it would never occur to you to be so vile....maybe you should see how the other half lives, and why it might make people like myself(  and if you're half black...nobody calls you white, trust me) a bit "uncomfortable" when people try to insinuate any relation to monkeys.  *rolls eyes...but not in the "Buckwheat" "Sambo" style so popular in the 30's*




catize -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 8:07:50 AM)

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 When you portray a white man as a chimp, everyone knows you portray him as a fool and an idiot. When you portray a blackman as a chimp, everyone knows you portray him as being left behind by evolution and hence, not fully human. 


A white friend of mine was assaulted in his own back yard by a black man.  My friend was hospitalized with severe injuries.  Charges were filed and it went to trial.  The prosecuting attorney, in his closing argument, made the unfortunate statement, “This isn’t Gorillas in the Mist.”  Meaning, he later said to make the point that a person should be safe in their own backyard. 
The defendant later appealed his conviction based on the premise that the reference to the movie was a racist comment.  He won the appeal.
So, yes, there is indeed an unsavory connection to racism when using primates as a caricature of a black person. 



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 8:16:49 AM)

You'd think a lawyer would select his words more carefully when trying to influence a jury. More facts less emotive commentary.



meatcleaver -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 8:17:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: catize

quote:

 When you portray a white man as a chimp, everyone knows you portray him as a fool and an idiot. When you portray a blackman as a chimp, everyone knows you portray him as being left behind by evolution and hence, not fully human. 


A white friend of mine was assaulted in his own back yard by a black man.  My friend was hospitalized with severe injuries.  Charges were filed and it went to trial.  The prosecuting attorney, in his closing argument, made the unfortunate statement, “This isn’t Gorillas in the Mist.”  Meaning, he later said to make the point that a person should be safe in their own backyard. 
The defendant later appealed his conviction based on the premise that the reference to the movie was a racist comment.  He won the appeal.
So, yes, there is indeed an unsavory connection to racism when using primates as a caricature of a black person. 



Well that wasn't the fault of the whole black race that one blackman commited an offence and the prosecuting attorney which one assumes is adequately educated and paid, made a gaff that allowed the offender to get off on a technicality. If one place should be free of racism or even a hint of racism, it should be the courts because you can't have justice if there is racism or even a hint of it.



lronitulstahp -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 8:21:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

quote:

ORIGINAL: catize

quote:

 When you portray a white man as a chimp, everyone knows you portray him as a fool and an idiot. When you portray a blackman as a chimp, everyone knows you portray him as being left behind by evolution and hence, not fully human. 


A white friend of mine was assaulted in his own back yard by a black man.  My friend was hospitalized with severe injuries.  Charges were filed and it went to trial.  The prosecuting attorney, in his closing argument, made the unfortunate statement, “This isn’t Gorillas in the Mist.”  Meaning, he later said to make the point that a person should be safe in their own backyard. 
The defendant later appealed his conviction based on the premise that the reference to the movie was a racist comment.  He won the appeal.
So, yes, there is indeed an unsavory connection to racism when using primates as a caricature of a black person. 



Well that wasn't the fault of the whole black race that one blackman commited an offence and the prosecuting attorney which one assumes is adequately educated and paid, made a gaff that allowed the offender to get off on a technicality. If one place should be free of racism or even a hint of racism, it should be the courts because you can't have justice if there is racism or even a hint of it.
i don't think that's what she was saying at all...



catize -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 8:22:59 AM)

I certainly agree with you. It was simply a real life reference to support your initial post. 



catize -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 8:24:52 AM)

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  don't think that's what she was saying at all... 


You are correct and I'm glad you understood my point! 



catize -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 8:28:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

You'd think a lawyer would select his words more carefully when trying to influence a jury. More facts less emotive commentary.


An attorny deals with facts???  That's pretty funny!



Simpleslave101 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 8:29:04 AM)

Geee..what is the world going to do when they can no longer throw down the race card. Oooh NOOOOOO!!!



TheHeretic -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 8:33:37 AM)

        It's a shame that Sinergy isn't posting these days.  I would be interested to see the comments of a poster who, more than anyone else around here, made constant use of the term "monkeyboy" for our current president.

        This is very simple, if not politically correct.  Having a different set of rules, standards, and expectations for particular groups, based on race, is racist.  It might be the opposite face of racism from the KKKlowns, but the idea that we must be extra sensitive is just as bad.

       One standard.  If some now want to be offended about a goofy-eared (potential) president getting compared to a chimp, they shouldn't have set the bar so fucking low.



Real_Trouble -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 8:38:03 AM)

In my defense, I was always somewhat concerned about how people treated George Bush as well.  It's simply no more acceptable to be making fun of people for being mentally handicapped as it is to be making fun of them for their race.



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 8:40:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: catize

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

You'd think a lawyer would select his words more carefully when trying to influence a jury. More facts less emotive commentary.


An attorny deals with facts???  That's pretty funny!

A jury deals with facts not dramatisations, a good lawyer should understand this if he wants to influence one. The facts he chooses to emphasize or play down are another matter entirely.



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