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SilverMark -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 3:25:12 PM)

If Obama turns out to be half the idiot that Bush is, turn him into whatever you wish....I see it is all a liberal media plot once more!
To make fun of Bush and his lack of intelligence by turning him into Curious George by all means,do it, if you turn Obama into one based
on his race than yes it is incorrect and racist. It isn't that difficult to think these things through.
Personally I think old Georgie Boy would make a better Donkey than a monkey but that has to to with my personal vision of him
being the most complete ass on the face of the earth. History will show that he made Herbert Hoover look like FDR, Washington or Lincoln.
Of course totally subjective and only one man's opinion....MINE! As for those who choose to vote against Obam...if you do it because you disagree
with his policies, you disagree with his plans for the country, you don't like men with pistol grip ears(although I bet a few of you ladies do)
then by all means stick to your guns. If however, you vote against him because he is black and you are willing to say that....guess what?
YOU ARE A RACIST!....amazingly simple....and not brought to you by the liberal media but by another liberal jerk....that would be ME!
thank you for your time no please resume saying stupid stuff that we can all bash whole heartedly!
P.S. not in reply to anyone just a little random rant based on reading so much crap I couldn't decide to whom I should address this to.



MasterMindFukk -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 3:30:35 PM)

God bless Obama, after eight years of a retard running our nation down the toilet in every way.
We need a real leader to clean up the mess, Barack The Vote



kdsub -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 3:50:31 PM)

What if Bush was side by side to a retarded person..would there be an uproar?...Hell yes...especially when you can't even call someone retarded today.

First why would you want to do it...you know it would offend some people?

So...why would you want to portray Obama as a monkey...you know it will offend some people.

Yes Bush has been portrayed as your link shows...but you know there is a difference..One is in bad taste and the other is intentionally racists and you know it.

Rationalize all you want.. it is wrong by its very nature and if you don't see how or refuse to understand how it is perceived by African Americans then you may be considered a racist...

The bottom line is.. yes you could do it but why.

Butch




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 5:49:10 PM)

Actually opening and closing arguements are used for emotive commentary.


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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

You'd think a lawyer would select his words more carefully when trying to influence a jury. More facts less emotive commentary.



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 5:54:56 PM)

You have a low opinion of juries for thinking they'd fall for it. In the films they do that, I've not seen such showboating in actual courts. The facts should speak for themselves, justice isn’t dependant on an act of passion submitted at the end, the closing is a summary of the facts. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't want that form of justice you speak of, maybe it's a cultural difference.



Aylee -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 6:23:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

You have a low opinion of juries for thinking they'd fall for it. In the films they do that, I've not seen such showboating in actual courts. The facts should speak for themselves, justice isn’t dependant on an act of passion submitted at the end, the closing is a summary of the facts. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't want that form of justice you speak of, maybe it's a cultural difference.


So. . . what do you call John Edwards channeling dead babies? 

Just askin'. 



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 6:32:59 PM)

I'm not familiar with your court system, the actual courts I’m referring to are based in the UK and no one I know has made a name for themselves in one. No need to make the font big as I can read small print fine.



Owner59 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 6:37:48 PM)

And how did John Edwards showboat ?

I missed that.

Or do all lawyers showboat?



Elisabella -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 6:49:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella
I've noticed plenty of news articles that describe Michelle Obama as a "statuesque, beautiful African-American woman" but I don't think I've seen a single one that describes Sarah Palin as an "attractive Caucasian former beauty queen."


Perhaps that's because Palin isn't as attractive to journalists as Michelle Obama. The journalists, obviously, have good tastes. Do you feel personally injured by this aesthetic appreciation or something?

Seriously now, which many news articles are you referring to? I'd love to read them, having not come across them myself.


Way to miss the point.

Lots of news articles reference Palin's attractiveness and the fact that she was a former beauty queen. Lots of news articles discussing Mrs. Obama say she is statuesque (nearly 6ft) and attractive.

The words to focus on were "African-American" and "Caucasian." I haven't seen a single article that points out Palin's race. I've seen quite a few articles, even those with accompanying pictures, that feel the need to point out that Mrs. Obama is either "black" or "African-American."

The question is, why?

Also for those of you who are saying it's OK to judge based on record but not on appearance, I would agree...except that's the very reason I included the "Bush or Chimp" link. The first paragraph for that site says "This is a little project I decided to start once I realized how much George W. Bush looks like a chimpanzee."

So he made a little project because a president LOOKS like a chimp, and it's fine.

But some other guy made a little project because a presidential candidate LOOKS like a cartoon monkey, and all of a sudden it's OMG HE ONLY THINKS THAT BCUZ HES RACIST! Because of course black men don't have individual features that distinguish them, and some of them look like a cartoon monkey's. Barack Obama has unique features and that's what the t-shirt was playing on.

I understand that there is a long legacy of calling black people "monkeys" but to be honest, it's a choice to carry on to that baggage. You can let the past burden you or you can make a conscious choice to LET IT GO. Mr. Obama is running for the Presidency of the US. That's a pretty important job, and a lot of people are going to judge you on what you do with it. And you know what, they might not want to tiptoe around certain words in fear of being considered racist.

He has big monkey ears and the same hairline and smile as a cartoon monkey. Not all black men look like that cartoon monkey. It's a distinct look, and the comparison is the fault of Mr. Obama's genetics (both his white ones and his black ones) that gave him those ears and features. And it's my personal opinion that if you see Mr. Obama as just a "black man" and not an individual man with individual features, then you're the one judging by race. For better or worse, that makes you racist.



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 7:01:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella
He has big monkey ears and the same hairline and smile as a cartoon monkey. Not all black men look like that cartoon monkey. It's a distinct look, and the comparison is the fault of Mr. Obama's genetics (both his white ones and his black ones) that gave him those ears and features. And it's my personal opinion that if you see Mr. Obama as just a "black man" and not an individual man with individual features, then you're the one judging by race. For better or worse, that makes you racist.

 
Ever heard the expression 'stop while you are behind?'



Aylee -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 7:07:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

And how did John Edwards showboat ?

I missed that.

Or do all lawyers showboat?


By acting as though he was channeling the spirits of unborn (I said dead earlier, I meant unborn - curiously he did not take the cases where the babies died anyway) babies.  Pretending that they were "talking through him." - In the case of Jennifer Campbell - Edwards said:

"She said at 3, 'I'm fine.' She said at 4, 'I'm having a little trouble, but I'm doing OK.' Five, she said, 'I'm having problems.' At 5:30, she said, 'I need out."'

"She speaks to you through me and I have to tell you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."



MrRodgers -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 7:09:37 PM)

The reason that Michelle Obama is described as a beautiful 'African-American' woman is because most of white America only see beauty as compared to white beauty and never say that a black woman could be 'just' a beautiful woman. A black woman is always beautiful 'for being a black women.'

I personally believe that the most beautiful women in the world are women of color.

Let's see McCain even compared to any of the white south park brats. We'd hear of it I think and he's not even a monkey.

The whole idea of comparing Obama to not only a cartoon character but a monkey visually creates one of the most pernicious stereotypes of black ignorance and 'ape' like appearence in all of white and racist history.



corysub -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 7:11:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


People were questioning Bush`s intelligence level.And for good reason.Anyone who can tell me of one smart thing the Bush has done and I`ll take that back.


The Barack monkey guy wasn`t questioning Obama`s intel.but making a racial slur.


Both insults and both using chimps,but not the same thing.


But I think you know that.


hmmmm...just one thing....we have not been attacked since 9/11.  If we had been it would obviously have been laid at the feet of George Bush.....I think, therefore, he has done this right.  We have broken down the democrat installed regulations that put a fence between the FBI and the CIA.  Our Intel agencies are working together better than at any time in our history it seems to me...as measured by their success to date.

I won't even mention the fact that George Bush gave us a good economy, and stock market, for most of his term, notwithstanding the horrible impact of 9/11 on an economy already weaking.

However, who are the people questioning Bush's intelligence.  I can see different opinions on his "policies" but that i entirely different that the intelligence of the person. Joe Biden hasn't made a correct call yet in global politics, but he is not stupid...just filled up with himself and bad ideology. 



RainydayNE -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 7:21:52 PM)

i think it's easy to say "let it go" when it's something that's never been directed at you.
my $0.02 on the matter
and yeah, african-americans aren't the only hyphenated "ethnic" group. personally i would rather be called a plain old american. the majority of people here are so hodge-podgey ethnically that i think the use of the hyphens can sometimes be really silly.

but honestly, i don't even know why anyone has to tread over those sorts of things. why not compare obama to something ELSE? there are plenty of things to parody him with without crossing various lines that cause certain reactions.



corysub -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 7:24:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

The reason that Michelle Obama is described as a beautiful 'African-American' woman is because most of white America only see beauty as compared to white beauty and never say that a black woman could be 'just' a beautiful woman. A black woman is always beautiful 'for being a black women.'

I personally believe that the most beautiful women in the world are women of color.

Let's see McCain even compared to any of the white south park brats. We'd hear of it I think and he's not even a monkey.

The whole idea of comparing Obama to not only a cartoon character but a monkey visually creates one of the most pernicious stereotypes of black ignorance and 'ape' like appearence in all of white and racist history.


What a racist thing to say...that "most of white people see beauty as compared to white beauty and never say that a black woman could be just a beautiful woman"...are you serious or delerious???? Where did you get this statistic?  I have admired  Tina Turner and Tony Braxton, or any of the dozens of other  black woman for their beauty and talent...talent that makes you jump out of your seat!  I'm not even going to comment further....this is ridiculous.



Owner59 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 7:31:04 PM)

Here`s a little ditty from a con woman`s group.

There`s no monkey,but they didn`t miss the ribs,KFC,Coolaid and watermelon.

With all that bigotty stuff,who needs a monkey?

I guess getting upset about this would make one politically correct.

Or maybe complaining about it shows some class.



RainydayNE -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 7:35:45 PM)

see, so many people complain about the race card being used, but they dont think twice about using it themselves. by throwing out every single stereotype they have in their arsenal, and then saying "omgz it wuz sposed to b fun-e, GAWSH!"

cripes man.
this election has really brought out the worst in a lot of people.



Owner59 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 7:42:19 PM)

<nods to Rainyday>

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/opinion/22observer.html?_r=2&em&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Here`s a good article on this subject.

Warning:only those seeking knowledge and answers should read it.

Those just looking for a fight,don`t bother.



kittinSol -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 7:58:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elisabella
He has big monkey ears and the same hairline and smile as a cartoon monkey. Not all black men look like that cartoon monkey. It's a distinct look, and the comparison is the fault of Mr. Obama's genetics (both his white ones and his black ones) that gave him those ears and features. And it's my personal opinion that if you see Mr. Obama as just a "black man" and not an individual man with individual features, then you're the one judging by race. For better or worse, that makes you racist.

 
Ever heard the expression 'stop while you are behind?'


Or: 'some things are better left unexplained. Seriously [X(] ...



Owner59 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/25/2008 8:08:30 PM)

Some questions,some inquiries are really just insults, put in the form of a question.



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