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Owner59 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/26/2008 10:35:10 PM)

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philosophy -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/26/2008 10:44:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

 But it's going to take both our communities doing their part if we're ever going to beat the problems that blacks face today.
 



....don't often so clearly agree with you, but this point is spot on......and it's exactly why the OP is so misguided. She insists that we must not focus on race, that it is a non-issue. It's not the issue it was, but it still exists.......and the solution can only come from the concerted efforts of all.



Aynne88 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/27/2008 5:37:14 AM)

Just the ones that reference his appearance as looking like a monkey, by the way in the above post when you referenced the questions asked of you and claimed the post so full of misinformation, you do realize that I merely reposted philosophy's orignal post to you that you didn't answer? So, you insulted him, not me. I will however be willing to take one to make up for it if you have on handy.  I have a horrific day of contracts and billling so I welcome the diversion.

By the way, what part of philosophy's post was so full of misinformation? I am curious how a series of questions are even capable of being misinformative.    

Oh and this:

"I actually called you racist because you said the only reason I wouldn't vote for Obama is because he's black. That shows that 1. You see black skin as Obama's only flaw (negative racism) and 2. you think that regardless of political beliefs, everyone should vote for Obama because he's black (positive racism). "

I actually think you won't vote for him Elisabella because of prior posts of yours I pay attention to things like that, a while ago I attempted to defend a male slave on the Gor boards, that was an exercise in futility, anyway, you made a comment to angel that went something along the lines of " Oh love, wait til you see the attitutdes or people from the blue states, and our homosexual agenda, etc..." and it struck me as odd at the time, for some reason I did not take you as being that kind of thinker. As far as Obama goes, I have made it obnoxiously clear he is far from my first choice, I am a Clinton fan since 1992. and your second statement is so far from correct I don't even know how to explain it. The first comment, negative racism, how can you say that I see it as his only flaw when you refer to him as a big eared monkey looking guy? Come on Elisabella, reality check. Racism exists and if that statement doesn't prove it I can't think of a better one this minute. The second statement, well just no. I think everyone should vote for Obama because McCain is old, embittered angry and a Bush replicant and Sarah Palin is stupid Elisabella, just as most Americans are now finally figuring out. The glorious faced is breaking and now she is seen as a hindrance to McCain and is certainly hurting his campaign. it proves that he is incapable of making a wise decision that is for sure. Hoping to saw the Hillary vote with an anti-choice small town anti-intellectual creationist? Not the smartest move he has ever made. So no, I think everyone should educate themselves, turn off the television, do some diverse investigation on their own and choose the best candidate. It has nothing to with Obama's color and everything to do with his character, intelligence and his sincere desire to improve and better America. We cannot take 4 more years like the 8 disastrous ones.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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And who are those who label opponents of Barack as racists,regardless?

Name them.


Aynne88, for starters. [;)]



hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/27/2008 7:31:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy
.........(now back to my ongoing attempt to decode the damn Patriot Act)


Ah yes... that most disturbing piece of legislation that both McCain AND Obama voted FOR.... and so did Biden, for that matter.  I'm working under the assumption (dangerous though it may be) that Palin woulda done the same thing as all 3 of the guys did had she been in a senatorial seat in order to have opportunity to cast a ballot on that issue.
 
I could give a flyin piece of rat shit whether either of 'em is black, white, blue, green, or pink with yellow polka dots.  They're both idiots, they're both proponents of several policies that I absolutely cannot and will not support - even if it means withholding support of what few policies they propose that I Do agree with (and  yes, both of them have about an equal amount of each.)  I don't consider either of 'em to actually be Fit to hold the office of PotUS. 
 
While it's a line from a book..... and a sci-fan book at that..... I consider this particular saying to be rather appropriate for this election....
 
"Why should I care which great jackass plants his rump on the throne, or which greater jackass tries to wrest it from him?"



slvemike4u -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/27/2008 9:21:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Okay, I'll bite. I honestly thought people were just cutting you a break to spare you embarrassment, figuring that you got carried away in a good cause. But since you want to get cranky about it....

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

How many Black US presidents have there been? How many Caucasion?
How many CEO's of multinational companies are black? How many caucasion?
How many Supreme Court Justices have been black? How many Caucasion?

If those numbers are roughly equivilant then it is, indeed, time to be wholly colourblind.
If there is an imbalance, then racism is still alive in US society.

Given that blacks comprise about 12% of the population, if those numbers were "roughly equivalent" it would suggest that racism was even more of a problem than it is now.

K.


I am trying to catch up to all these post's,so I apologise if someone has allready touched on this....but following the logic here Kirata...will the answers to the questions posed aproach the 12% range.Tell you what ,lets grade it on a curve ...will they aproach the 5 % range.Let me help you here with a short answer NO.Now might I ask if this suggest's that racism is even more of a problem than you seem ready to admit.



Elisabella -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/27/2008 2:51:30 PM)

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By the way, what part of philosophy's post was so full of misinformation? I am curious how a series of questions are even capable of being misinformative.    


Philosophy's post wasn't full of misinformation.

YOUR posts were full of misinformation.

I already said what that was but to reiterate:

1. You think racism is the only reason I wouldn't vote for Obama (" when you say you pick that complete and utter moron over Barack Obama and is isn't racism, I just don't believe it. ")

2. You think that pointing out that Barack is half white means I'm choosing his race for him ("Elisabella has decreed not only do we as whites get to decide for Obama if he is white or black,")

3. You changed me saying I choose based on policy rather than IQ to a simple statement of preference for average intelligence ("Why is it so many want the "avergae intelligence guy" your words dear")

4. You changed me saying I would "possibly if not likely" vote for Powell into "You would vote for Colin Powell? Well Elisabella you might want to know he endorses Obama too." and think that an endorsement is the same as a candidacy.

5. I called you racist because you think that Obama/McCain is a skin tone issue instead of a policy issue, and you somehow mangled it into this: "Merely responding to Elisabella's calling kittin and myself racists becasue we ojected to her depiciton of Obama as looking like a big eared money."

6. And finally, to top it all off, when I told you that YOUR posts are full of misinformation, you decided to turn it around and assume that I was talking about philosophy's post, which had only questions and no information whatsoever. And this was after I addressed #3 and #5 in the post where I criticised your misinformation.

Your bile spewing conflicts with your message of "hope, change and tolerance." I hope this is only your personal issue, and doesn't reflect on your candidate. Seeing as how Obama will likely get the responsibilities he asked for, I can only hope that he surrounds himself with competent people who will rein in his more radical policies.





Aynne88 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/27/2008 4:30:22 PM)

You amuse me. Did I not just read some drivel on the Gor board where you said you were raised by a feminist that valued wit and intelligence? What happened? By the way, did you not make the comment about the blue states and our homosexual agenda to angel? Should'nt be hard to find. I will however take the fact that your leanings are peculiar ( to me ) you actually like Palin, you are 20 something and as I said I have read your many posts, one of your most recent lamenting your selfishness and hatred of anything domestic. Speaks to me of your character Elisabella. Don't you have some chores to be doing? If not may I recommend "A People's History of the United States"?    



Aynne88 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/27/2008 4:33:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88



Let's repost it, maybe she will see it this time and answer it.[:D]
 
 
 
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

I don't know if it's possible to be truly "color blind" but it would be nice if we stopped focusing so much on it.



...ok, pop quiz. How many Black US presidents have there been? How many Caucasion?
How many CEO's of multinational companies are black? How many caucasion?
How many Supreme Court Justices have been black? How many Caucasion?
If those numbers are roughly equivilant then it is, indeed, time to be wholly colourblind.
If there is an imbalance, then racism is still alive in US society......albeit at a lower level nowadays than heretofore. To be colourblind in such a situation is to turn ones face away from an injustice.

Those who ask us to turn our face away from bigotry may need to re-evaluate that position. *****This post is from philosophy Elisabella.


Your posts are so chock full of misinformation. I'm going to try to combine them all.

Pop quiz - how many blacks have run for President. I'll give you the answer - six. And that counts those who just ran for the nomination and didn't get it, so that's stretching it. One black has been on the Presidential ballot before Barack Obama - Lenora Fulani - and that's only because she ran as an Independent. IIRC I think she later got a spot in the Clinton Administration.

How many CEO's of multinational companies are black? On the flipside, how many blacks started their own business and took it multinational. There are a strikingly large amount of black entrepreneurs, but they focus mostly on neighborhood businesses. FWIW I don't think that *racism* is what would stop a black person today from taking a company global.

I'm assuming you're getting my point here. When you look at Supreme Court Justices, you have to look at how many black lawyers there are, then how many are well versed in political/constitutional law as opposed to the numerous other branches, then how many excel in their field, then how many have no skeletons in their closet. It's hard enough to find *a* Supreme Court nominee...much less adding on a color qualifier.

But I'll ask you - how much is enough? If blacks made up 12% of CEO's, 12% of politicians, hell even 12% of teen pregnancies and prisoners, since that's often attributed to racism too, will things finally be Fair? Or will there still be that baggage that will always be there until people consciously let it go?


****Wrong again Elisabella. I did *NOT* post these questions. You clearly stated your posts are so full of misinformation then addressed philosophys exact post. Nice try. But wrong.



Elisabella -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/27/2008 4:34:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

You amuse me. Did I not just read some drivel on the Gor board where you said you were raised by a feminist that valued wit and intelligence? What happened? By the way, did you not make the comment about the blue states and our homosexual agenda to angel? Should'nt be hard to find. I will however take the fact that your leanings are peculiar ( to me ) you actually like Palin, you are 20 something and as I said I have read your many posts, one of your most recent lamenting your selfishness and hatred of anything domestic. Speaks to me of your character Elisabella. Don't you have some chores to be doing? If not may I recommend "A People's History of the United States"?




10 Things I Hate About You?



Aynne88 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/27/2008 4:36:40 PM)

I have no idea what that means however  is a violation of TOS to post something and attribute it to another as you just did. Whatever your juvenile little song is, it was not my post. Edit that and take credit for it yourself.



Elisabella -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/27/2008 4:39:29 PM)

Fair enough.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/27/2008 6:34:48 PM)

Obama has been playing the "Mom!!!! look what he said about me!!!!" card for the last 12 months...and incredibly effectively.

He's gonna win.

Next question?




Owner59 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/27/2008 8:29:02 PM)

Next question?

What do the 1st two sentences mean?



slvemike4u -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/27/2008 8:43:13 PM)

The way I read it Owner...not much.



Aynne88 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/27/2008 9:25:14 PM)

Thank you...mini truce?[8D]


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Fair enough.





Elisabella -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/27/2008 9:29:30 PM)

I have nothing against you.

Despite what you think, I wish nothing but the best for America. If things genuinely improve under Obama, I'll happily laugh at my own foolishness. In fact, seeing how the election's going, I'm in a "Lord I hope I'm wrong" mood already.

Truce [:)]



Aynne88 -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/28/2008 11:21:16 AM)

Cool beans. Now you know how I felt after the last two elections. Except to me both terms could not have gone worse. Listen after these past 8 years and McCain does win, of course I hope he accomplishes vast improvements, I want my candidate to win, but I want my country to win more.

truce[:)]



scarlettjinx -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/29/2008 3:01:15 PM)

I have a little story about racism. Papa and I have a four month old son. Since we had the first sonogram done while I was pregnant, he has been nicknamed Monkey (he looked like a squirell monkey in the womb). When he was born, we kept calling him that because he is very monkey like. He has been able to pick things up with his toes since he was around six weeks old, and that is how he prefers to hold things.
When taking him for his two month check up, I called him my sweet little monkey man. All of the sudden I had this large unkempt, middle school drop out decide to come and rant at me about what a rude, horrible, bigot bitch I was and how she feels sorry for my son because he has me for a mother (all this while her children, that were filthy and looked uncared for, beat the crap out of each other and tore magazines up because she was too busy telling me what she thought of me to take care of her children.) And how I am the reason her life sucks, cause I am keeping her down. Because as a housewife I have the power to keep anyone down.  Now my son is as white as they come. Blonde Hair, Blue eyes, just like his dad. And while his father and I both look white, we are actually both Spanish in decent. But me calling my son monkey was racist.

I tell that story to say this. There are stupid people in every color. There are people of every color that are ignorant enough to believe that you are racist just because you don't believe what they do. There are people everywhere that want to believe someone is holding them down.

As I said before, There is no way on gods green earth I would vote for obama, but it has nothing to do with his race. It has to do with the fact that I do not agree with any of his policies.
My favorite thing to do now when I am called a racist is explain to these people that while I will never vote for an obama Biden ticket, I would vote for Condoliza rice if she were to run for POTUS.

Just my 2 cents.



Kirata -> RE: Racism = Treating Obama the exact same way Bush is treated? (10/29/2008 3:24:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: scarlettjinx

while his father and I both look white, we are actually both Spanish in decent.

You highlight a fundamental flaw of this whole "white" versus "black" business. There is no more a "white" race that can be talked about as such than there is a "black" one. We are both many different peoples, many of whom historically have deprecated each other and fought wars (be they tribal or national) with each other. Those who perpetually focus on what separates us do not contribute to uniting us.
 
K.
 
 



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