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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 3:18:13 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

It's about the 'owner' making the honourable decision...


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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 3:24:09 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Gemmie, specifically yes and no. As I said, it all comes down to priorities. If it was important to the slave and he or she felt strongly about being able to vote as they wished, then yes, to me that would be dishonourable. However, I also feel that if it were an important issue, it should be among the things discussed prior to ownership.


It was discussed. My slave has privileges that I bestow.

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I guess it is something I feel strongly enough about, the rights of US citizenship, that any owner should honour their country enough to encourage their slave to vote responsibly after educating themself. So, I guess to me, honourable is also encouraging that slave to vote according to what he/she learned. Not just to be in agreement with me. What pleases me is intelligence and free thought, even in this sort of slavery.



I view the right to vote a little differently. I do not believe that everyone should have a vote, only those that can show they have at least a basic understanding of civics. I feel that polticians have taken advantage of sheeple too often, and used ignorance of facts to their advantage.

I respect your choice as to what pleases you.

Now if there were compulsory voting, it would be a different story but then that would cause me to have two votes as my slave would want to vote as I do.

And yes I know I am inviting Kittonsol into the Gorean section. On the rare occasions she has posted engaging and thoughtful things, I for one have tried to receive her well.

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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 3:28:01 PM   
NorthernGent


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ORIGINAL: servantheart

Just exactly how is the Dom/Domme supposed to keep tabs on who their sub/slave voted for?



My Dad voted Conservative at every election; my Mum voted Labour. My Dad was in the armed forces and based in the Middle East and Germany a fair amount of time. Three elections off the bounce, my Dad was outside of the country and asked her to register his vote; she voted Labour for him each time. The last was when Thatcher was elected first time 'round - he had no time for Labour so he was all smiles when he came home, until my Mum put him straight: "don't know why you're laughing, you voted Labour". He didn't see the funny side. So, where there's a will there's a way etc.

For me, if she hasn't thought about it and can't put a reasonable argument together, then she isn't getting a vote. If it's a problem for her, then shape up.

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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 3:31:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		This entire thread sickens me. People who believe their slave should vote as they say or not vote at all are one of many stains of our society. 

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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 3:31:45 PM   
NorthernGent


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

A dominant or 'slave owner' who tells his submissive or 'slave' how to vote is a cheat with a tiny little dick.



I would take an immeasurable amount of pleasure from forcing you to vote Conservative, Kittin.......regardless of the genitalia-related verbal recriminations.

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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 3:40:03 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni

This entire thread sickens me. People who believe their slave should vote as they say or not vote at all are one of many stains of our society. 


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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 3:42:30 PM   
hopelessfool


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Status: offline 		I dont see why its so bad in all honesty, much along the lines of Bita and others " Daddy, i want you to tie me up in  dangerous knots and use life threatening objects on me with out harming me, but your not smart enough to choose who to vote for" Yup...

IF YOU have such an issue with it, make sure its something your partner Does or doesnt want from you, not that hard to ask in between everything else, "So domly one, what are your opinions on your sub voting?"


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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 3:45:55 PM   
NorthernGent


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ORIGINAL: hopelessfool

but your not smart enough to choose who to vote for"



'Fraid so.......tough, old world isn't it.

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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 3:47:46 PM   
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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 3:47:52 PM   
hopelessfool


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Status: offline 		If I think hes smart enough not to hurt me, then i think hes smart enough to take his opinion on who to vote for, if it brought issue id let him know its an issue, i cant do it for this reason. but usually politics is something we get along on tends to make a relationship less stressful

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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 3:53:38 PM   
NorthernGent


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ORIGINAL: hopelessfool

but usually politics is something we get along on tends to make a relationship less stressful



I'm not particularly concerned with sharing political common ground, nor would I force her to vote in tune with me. I'd take the opportunity to amuse myself, however, by forcing a die-hard liberal to vote conservative, and I've never voted conservative in my life; nor do I intend to so do. 

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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 3:56:48 PM   
hopelessfool


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Status: offline 		Oh you thought i was replying to you ^_^;; heh, it was a fast replies, but i really dont care, one vote or even 100 votes isnt going to change something its all about the electoral college, and yada yada something

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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 4:02:45 PM   
NorthernGent


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quote:

ORIGINAL: hopelessfool

but i really dont care



Great, back to the topic at hand then.

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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 4:55:11 PM   
Aynne88


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Status: offline 		No I don't own a firearm Orion, I own 4. My fav is a .38 revolver, as you know they don't jam like a .45 will, but I like my Luger too. Come on Orion, I grew up in Maine, I was hunting in the woods since 6th grade. We have a saying here "If it flies it dies then it fries."  30.06 works well, and the .22 is for keeping crows out of my vegetable garden, and groundhogs.  

That aside, to all that assumed I had not already read the Slaver Suffrage thread, I did, and that is why I know Orion does not give his girl permission to vote. I disagree. Eh, no biggie. Things are different on Gor, but don''t jump on me for knowing what I already read.   

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

What did I tell you kittin? Orion go rent "Iron Jawed Angels" then rethink that.


No thanks.
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Or better yet watch it with your slave. Why is she not allowed to vote? Too stupid? Her voice does not matter? Because you said so? I am curious...I know you don't care, but to me this speaks of fear, of allowing a woman to participate in what the original suffragettes died for, and an opportunity to have a voice in the world in which she lives. Is that is? Silence her voice, silence her mind?



My view of slavery is different than most. The greatest thing that those that have died for freedom have died for, is Freedom of Choice. Many do not respect that, and then try to impose their own view of right and wrong on others. Has nothing to do with fear, it has to do with my property not exerting her rights, which is her choice in begging my collar. Your comments are pretty insultive as you have no clue as to the type, depth and amount of discussions I have with my property. Often it is her opinion I ask first, before anyone else's, because she is intelligent and knows me well.

As far as allowing a woman to participate, you are far off the mark there as well. I have raised a 23 year old daughter, by myself, and when she told me she wanted to vote I taught her how to research things, and then apply them to her own code of ethics.

As I pointed out to Kittensol, there is an entire thread on it in the Gorean section. Looking at it from an ethical point, know my slave would just vote for who I like, it kind of keeps me to just one vote now doesn't it?

Aynne, one of the rights our founding fathers fought and died for is to be able to bear arms. Do you own a firearm or do you choose to not exert that right?


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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 5:05:10 PM   
Aynne88


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Status: offline 		One last thing Orion, kudos to your child rearing ability, really, but you do not own your daughter in the same manner you own your girl so comparing the two is not the same. My father exerts far less control over me than my Master, as it should be. He in no way even comes close to my bond mith my Master.  Neither one influences my vote though. In actuality, since most of the Goreans I read appear to be conservative, with the exception of some of the FW and Tim, it is probably best many of you do not allow or force her to vote. One less for your side so thanks for contributing to the Obama victory.   


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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

What did I tell you kittin? Orion go rent "Iron Jawed Angels" then rethink that.


No thanks.
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Or better yet watch it with your slave. Why is she not allowed to vote? Too stupid? Her voice does not matter? Because you said so? I am curious...I know you don't care, but to me this speaks of fear, of allowing a woman to participate in what the original suffragettes died for, and an opportunity to have a voice in the world in which she lives. Is that is? Silence her voice, silence her mind?



My view of slavery is different than most. The greatest thing that those that have died for freedom have died for, is Freedom of Choice. Many do not respect that, and then try to impose their own view of right and wrong on others. Has nothing to do with fear, it has to do with my property not exerting her rights, which is her choice in begging my collar. Your comments are pretty insultive as you have no clue as to the type, depth and amount of discussions I have with my property. Often it is her opinion I ask first, before anyone else's, because she is intelligent and knows me well.

As far as allowing a woman to participate, you are far off the mark there as well. I have raised a 23 year old daughter, by myself, and when she told me she wanted to vote I taught her how to research things, and then apply them to her own code of ethics.

As I pointed out to Kittensol, there is an entire thread on it in the Gorean section. Looking at it from an ethical point, know my slave would just vote for who I like, it kind of keeps me to just one vote now doesn't it?

Aynne, one of the rights our founding fathers fought and died for is to be able to bear arms. Do you own a firearm or do you choose to not exert that right?


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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 5:26:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Orion, you are actually inviting Kittin into the Gorean section?!?!? Are you mad man???


Too right - each time I've ventured over there I've needed like a quart of Whisky to get over the experience. They're far too serious, on Gor, with their strict rules and regulations! Not for a anarchicat like me  .

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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 5:28:55 PM   
Aynne88


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Status: offline 		I just went. Returned unscathed thusfar, but I am a little bit on the umm provocative side? lol....Whiskey does help. lot's of things.

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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 5:29:37 PM   
justgemmie


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ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni

This entire thread sickens me. People who believe their slave should vote as they say or not vote at all are one of many stains of our society. 


then get off the thread.  you're obviously too closed minded to be here

~signed, society's stain

< Message edited by justgemmie -- 10/28/2008 5:33:32 PM >

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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 5:29:39 PM   
kittinSol


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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
And yes I know I am inviting Kittonsol into the Gorean section. On the rare occasions she has posted engaging and thoughtful things, I for one have tried to receive her well.


Woah... much appreciated. I'll go and read in stealth, if it's okay :-) .

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RE: Making your slave vote for YOUR candidate - 10/28/2008 5:33:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
I would take an immeasurable amount of pleasure from forcing you to vote Conservative, Kittin.......regardless of the genitalia-related verbal recriminations.


Over my dead body, and I doubt you're into necrophilia  .



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