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ORIGINAL: Kimveri

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ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni
This entire thread sickens me. People who believe their slave should vote as they say or not vote at all are one of many stains of our society. 

The thing that sickens me most is how few acknowledge the extent of influence wielded over those considered "slaves".
 
Of course, such ethical questions aren't an issue if your preferred version of M/s is simulated.

Not recognizing the fine line between deep enslavement & coercion is sickening, reckless & laughable. Taking responsibility for the possible consequences of such a dynamic, & doing the work to adhere to one's own ethical standards, is not something to be dismissed with a squicky shiver & sneer.

Perhaps discussion of why you view one option as 'better than' the other might be a wee bit more productive?
~Kimveri

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

No I don't own a firearm Orion, I own 4. My fav is a .38 revolver, as you know they don't jam like a .45 will, but I like my Luger too. Come on Orion, I grew up in Maine, I was hunting in the woods since 6th grade. We have a saying here "If it flies it dies then it fries."  30.06 works well, and the .22 is for keeping crows out of my vegetable garden, and groundhogs.  

Good for you!!! More people should own firearms, and know how to use them. Yep a revolver is more reliable and the BS about only having 5 or 6 shots, is just that. I personally like the .40 auto but would be foolish to not have a .38 as a hold out.

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That aside, to all that assumed I had not already read the Slaver Suffrage thread, I did, and that is why I know Orion does not give his girl permission to vote. I disagree. Eh, no biggie. Things are different on Gor, but don''t jump on me for knowing what I already read.   

No I jump you for trying to imply into more than what is written (the fear BS comment). Yeah things are different on Gor, but none of us live on that fictional planet. It comes down to things are sometimes different in each person's home, and how each person lives their life. I handle slavery different than most, and it works well for me and those I own. I am sure the way you handle things works well for you and those around you.

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

Good morning Orion,

I appreciate your straightforward answer. The comment about jumping on me was not meant for you, it was for the females on here that assumed I had not read your thoughts on this topic already on the Gor boards. Agree to disagree, but your point is valid. I would never be with a Master that would silence my vote, and that was discussed "prior" to enterting the relationship as it should have been, and I am sure your agreements were discussed in advance as well. 

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Just been wondering what folks think of this idea?  Legitimate or not?  Especially if your slave wants the OTHER candidate?

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Too funny.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

There's no controversy here... free choice is free choice...The Dom can say and demand whatever they want it is always up to the slave whether they comply. It's that way with everything...The true power is with the slave not the Dom.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Too funny.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

There's no controversy here... free choice is free choice...The Dom can say and demand whatever they want it is always up to the slave whether they comply. It's that way with everything...The true power is with the slave not the Dom.

Butch

If this isn’t the case then you don’t have an equal partner in life…just someone with deep psychological problems you are taking advantage of.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Very odd comment for a BDSM site, and one that promotes M/s, D/s, TPE, APE and all the other intitials that represent things. Why do they have psychological problems? Because they do not conform to your idea of what is right, moral and decent? Sounds like what a lot of the religious right tries to do to others that do not conform.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Too funny.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

There's no controversy here... free choice is free choice...The Dom can say and demand whatever they want it is always up to the slave whether they comply. It's that way with everything...The true power is with the slave not the Dom.

Butch

If this isn’t the case then you don’t have an equal partner in life…just someone with deep psychological problems you are taking advantage of.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I am curious, when did Orion ever say his slave/s was being forced against their will?

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

The only reason I ask is this. While I personally, do not agree with the concept. I also acknowledge that what a slave agrees to, going into being owned, in this regard, is not something I am going to question.

I may not like it, I may not do it, but if it was agreed upon then I am not going to scream foul.

I certainly do not know this specific situation to even come close to questioning mental capacity or well being. I will just err on the side of assuming we are talking about rational consenting adults. Unless informed otherwise.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I understand what you are saying and while anything M/s might be "against their will" at the moment, if that is the sort of situation they initially agreed upon, then I really have to take a step back and keep my nose out of it.

I believe there are varying degrees of what slavery means, to different people. I refuse to pass judgement on any "degree" by saying one is better or worse than another, but to say the differences to not exist would be foolish. Which is also why I think alot of communication prior to entering that agreement is vital. If a slave wants the ability to vote, and vote independent of his/her master or mistress, then it should be discussed. As well as the reverse, if the master or mistress feels it is important to control that.

If a slave feels that type of control is unacceptable then they should chose a master/mistress that agrees with them.

Just because I don't personally wish to force a slave to vote the same as I, does not mean I have the right be critical of a situation where it was mutually agreed upon as part of the dynamic. I don't have to like it, but then again, there are many things others choose to do that I don't like. That is my problem, not theirs.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
All of what you said above has nothing to do with whether or not a person is capable of making a choice to participate or not to participate. If they agree to allow you to control their vote they made a choice...if they allow themselves to be forced against their will they have psychological problems. If you know this to be the case and you continue to force them then you have psychological problems.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

My property agreed to obey, without reservations. Prior to her begging a collar she knew what my ethics, morals, and code comprise of. Not that I need to justify anything to you, just the fact that your insinuations were goddamn insulting, when you do not have a clue of what you are talking about concerning the ownership of my property.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
All of what you said above has nothing to do with whether or not a person is capable of making a choice to participate or not to participate. If they agree to allow you to control their vote they made a choice...if they allow themselves to be forced against their will they have psychological problems. If you know this to be the case and you continue to force them then you have psychological problems.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Good Day Aynne,

I misunderstood who that comment was directed to then. It is nice to be able to disagree on things respectfully, not enough of that I believe and I have been guilty of it on occasion in the past.

Yes it was discussed, along with many other things, but to simplify it: All things come through me, and that is what she surrendered to. My slaves to not exert any rights, and only use privileges that I grant.

My thoughts on others using their slaves votes is they can do as they wish. It is not much different than the heavy influence that many may have on others in their lives, or the influence exerted by groups such as: churches, unions, clubs, etc. I would rather someone not vote, than to just vote as someone suggests to them based upon no research of the subject.

Live well,
Orion

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

Good morning Orion,

I appreciate your straightforward answer. The comment about jumping on me was not meant for you, it was for the females on here that assumed I had not read your thoughts on this topic already on the Gor boards. Agree to disagree, but your point is valid. I would never be with a Master that would silence my vote, and that was discussed "prior" to enterting the relationship as it should have been, and I am sure your agreements were discussed in advance as well. 

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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMaam

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ORIGINAL: MsLydiaMischief
I thought that slaves didn't have the right to vote?

We're not talking the law of the land, just the law in your house, or the rules as it relates to politics outside of your house.   M