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lally3 -> why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 3:07:59 PM)

hi,

ive been wondering this for a while - i was browsing through the many people seeking partners on fet life, alt. bondage, here - so many people looking for people.  interests arent that far apart, distance may have a bearing, compatibility of course, sexual attraction is important too.  but why is it that so many people are looking and still looking when there are so many people out there looking for more or less the same thing.

on the whole we are all regular folk, with regular lives, looking for someone to connect with.  so why, when there are so many singles in this lifestyle, that so few seem to find what they are looking for.

whats wrong with us? seriously - i just dont understand it.




simpleplan2 -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 3:11:57 PM)

Nothing wrong with us.  "Regular" folk have trouble finding each other.  Add kink in the mix and it makes the "pool" that much smaller.  I happen to think it's more because we live in a disposable society.  Few want to take the time and trouble to make a relationship work.  It seems many just move on when the going gets touch.




mc1234 -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 3:13:58 PM)

I kind of see it the opposite way - chemistry, connection, attraction, plus interests need to align, together with geographical desirability.  I have spoken with a lot of Doms and found connection with only a few, and chemistry with even less. 




apiercedkitty -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 3:15:31 PM)

i don't see it as anything inherently wrong with anyone. For me, it's just a case of being kind of picky in who i pursue the rest of my life with. i've been the vanilla route and would rather be alone than settle for that again. As a divorced mother of 2 teenagers who spent the last 2 years putting herself thru college while working a full time job, i haven't really been "looking" so much as just putting it out there. As i still have 2 teenagers at home, i'm working full time, and i'll be back in school in January to get my Bachelor's, i don't see myself settled with a SO for a while - and i'm perfectly ok with that.
The One i want to spend the rest of my life with will eventually wander into my life. Until then, i just live my life, make new friends and enjoy myself!




hejira92 -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 3:17:12 PM)

Hmmm, let's see. You're looking at "seeking.." ads and wondering why so many are seeking.
 
If they weren't, maybe they wouldn't be advertising online! In the statistics business, they'd say your sample is biased.
 
(and btw, I did find my "One". I'm still here, though, because I found lots of friends, too!)




Lilith13 -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 3:17:53 PM)

I think many people do actually find what they're looking for. Listings are snapshots in time. The person might already have connected by the time you see his or her listing. Or it's a relatively new listing--there are so many at any one time. Or they're taking a serial approach: they might have met people for short-term encounters and they're looking for the next one.




VampiresLair -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 3:18:33 PM)

The harder people look the less likely they are to find what they want. They overanalyze relationships and look for faults where there arent any. They expect the impossible sometimes and get frustrated when things arent perfect from day one.
I searched for nearly a year before I met Angel. Yet another year before I met Fox.
People everywhere are searching. Finding someone to be with is harder than it sounds, because there are so many factors that come into it.

DV




littleoneis20 -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 3:18:36 PM)

I would have disagree to. I have been looking for a long time now to find someone to connect with. But i feel thats ok becouse i know shes out there and that someday i will be happy...




IronBear -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 3:28:38 PM)

Simply, for me, I have stringent and specific requirements. I will not settle for less, after all, better an empty collar than one filled with the wrong person. 




lally3 -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 3:40:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mc1234

I kind of see it the opposite way - chemistry, connection, attraction, plus interests need to align, together with geographical desirability.  I have spoken with a lot of Doms and found connection with only a few, and chemistry with even less. 


it is the chemistry thing, always - i spose in a club you see how a person is before you even get to talk to them, by then youve already established an attraction, body language, clothes, attitude tell you if youre going to like them.

maybe too much pressure is on people when they meet up from the internet - the whole 'is this the one' puts too much emphasis on something that if it were happening in a club would be way more casual.

i dont know if vanilla sites are any more successful, ive never gone on one.  but ive made friends on a few sites with people who have been looking for quite a time.

im still not sure why my view is biased by the way - cant remember who posted that.  im a bit of a people watcher and i like reading peoples profiles, seeing whose around and what theyre about - all really decent sounding folk -

i agree that its better to be happy and on your own than with the wrong person and these things cant be rushed.  just seems to me there are alot of people holding out for the holy grail and maybe restricting their options in the process.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 3:53:49 PM)

(sighs) I dunno. I keep swimming around in the 'pool' screaming Marco!  but I haven't heard anyone respond with POLO!  yet.




lally3 -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 4:02:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

(sighs) I dunno. I keep swimming around in the 'pool' screaming Marco!  but I haven't heard anyone respond with POLO!  yet.


you see, youre a perfect example of wtf - so pretty and that winsome look - shrugs.

it shouldnt have to be so hard with so many out there - i just think something isnt working is all.




laura2161 -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 4:02:12 PM)

Hey sweetie,

You know, I try to not try too hard but sometimes it does happen. Ill admit,especially now with the holiday season almost upon us. I find myself thinking uh oh, another Christmas and New Years Eve alone, and then I start wondering if maybe I need to 'lower the bar' if you will.

But thats just a short term fix and I want it all. Im selfish like that :-) I want a long term (or as a Man just recently emailed to me) a life-term relationship.  I do believe there are MANY single people looking for relationships compared to say even 20 years ago. I believe its because society as a whole has become individualistic. We dont know our neighbors, we dont know our co-workers except by first name, and many people now tele-commute which means less face time to get to know someone.

I also believe that everyone is moving too fast, hurrying to round the next corner instead of taking the time to enjoy the here and now. We dont wave to people, dont say hi, hell most people dont even hold the door open anymore for the next person coming, whether male or female. It's all 'me,me,me' and I want, its mine and to hell with others.

People as a whole need to slow down, stop working 60 hour weeks (Im guilty as charged) and take time to just live.

Hmmmpt...'climbing off my soadbox now'

(sorry) and lally, love the new pic. :-)

laura




FetishRose -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 4:04:02 PM)

I've always sort of thought of it as a law of averages type thing.  For me personally, my potential group of people to pick from is very small.   I want a female, which takes out at least half of the collarme population.  I want this woman to be dominant, so that cuts out at least another half of the half.  Of this 1/4, she must be relatively local to me.  I have no idea what that fraction even is!  And then factor in age, similar kinks and compatible personalities, mutual attraction and about a thousand other factors and....
It would be incredibly lucky to find anyone at all.
But, like in any sort of relationship, 'nilla or otherwise, its the thrill of discovery.  Like winning the lottery or something.




candystripper -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 4:05:52 PM)

People enter relationships...they last awhile....then they're single again for whatever reason.
 
It's a myth that 'people cannot find one another'.  The reality is there's never before been a way for people to hook up like the 'net, and more people than ever find someone.
 
Whether they 'live happillly ever after' is another story.  The 'net hasn't made anyone develop greater emotional intelligence, etc.  Few people are going to die at the same time as their partner.
 
Life is change.  Some single people seek out partners, but once they find them, they seek other things, like how to make their relationship work. 
 
candystripper  [sm=pole.gif] 




moonvine -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 4:17:21 PM)

I don't think they are looking for more or less the same thing.  A kajira and I don't really have a whole lot in common and what we are looking for is going to be quite different.    If I have watersports as a hard limit, and dominant guy x just lives for watersports, that's not going to work. 

I look within 250 miles, and I keep seeing the same people over and over, and I expect they keep seeing me over and over.  Sometimes for years!

I have made some good friends and had some interesting conversations on the boards.  The boards are the best part for me right now.

I've been here since 2004, I think, with long periods of inactivity due to being too busy to bother searching.  So far I have had one short term relationship, was hoping for long term but it didn't work out, one meeting with a guy who decided sadism was evil and he needed to attend church, and one lunch date with a guy I liked, but whether it will go anywhere I have no idea.  And that's it in 4 years.




antipode -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 5:26:58 PM)

quote:

"Regular" folk have trouble finding each other


Yah, and it's worse for us - no BDSM aisle in Borders [;)]




stella41b -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 5:31:37 PM)

Sometimes it's just not meant to be or there are other factors beyond your control. Yes when you are searching and trying to find someone it can be harder but also when you are putting in too much effort to be with someone and to find yourself in a relationship you leave yourself open to a greater degree of self-deception.

How close is close enough, and how close is too close? And what happens when your expectations about the relationship exceed both the possibilities and potential of the relationship? Is this not when it stops becoming fair, not just to the other person but also yourself?

This is how I spent my last weekend. M and I have known each other ever since I moved into the hostel for the homeless in London where she worked, which is just over two years. I was the first transgendered female to live in the hostel, at the time it had the reputation of being one of the roughest in London, and within a week I came out and announced to everyone that I was going for full gender reassignment. I had issues, inside I was carrying a lot of anger and resentment towards other people, and this was exacerbated by hostility and prejudice from the staff, especially the hostel manager - a woman who ruled the hostel like a dictatorship. M was married, working and popular at the hostel among the residents and this proved to be my lifeline. She was the one who inspired me to come out of myself and start working with other residents using my theatre.

The turning point came when within the same week a woman in the hostel committed suicide and I along with three other women were sexually assaulted by a convicted paedophile who had broken bail and who was living at the hostel under false identity. The manager didn't attend the funeral of the woman and refused to take any action over the sexual assaults. One of the women brought in the police leading to his arrest and I lodged an official complaint against the manager at the head office of the organization which ran the hostel. M and I worked to develop a theatre group and this became popular among the residents within the hostel. The paedophile was arrested and I won the official complaint.

The manager was beside herself with rage. The hostility and harrassment continued but M and the hostel residents stood by me, and through this M and I became close. This led to a revolution in the hostel but at the same time M's marriage was breaking up and the manager was trying to constructively dismiss her. I was quickly resettled and given an apartment because the manager wanted me out of her hostel before she lost her job and shortly afterwards M was disciplined by the hostel organization on a trumped up charge and forced to resign, at the same time when her marriage broke up and she was forced to move out of her home by her husband. She suffered a breakdown, turned to drink, and I spent much of that Christmas with her supporting her.

We stayed close but as a result of what she went through M has become angry and bitter, up to the point where she lost all her friends and had problems with her mother, with whom she was living until recently when she was thrown out onto the streets and forced to live in a hostel.

Last week M reached out and I responded and for all intents and purposes we were in a relationship and it looked like we had found the solution through being together. I have worked to overcome my issues with other people and my anger and resentment, I have my theatre and charity work and a growing sense of inner peace and self-confidence, and much of this has been inspired by people in London and also people from here on CM who have reached out to support me over the past two years or so.

We spent the weekend together she came over to me and spent the night visiting her mother in hospital here in South London and then we spent a night at her mother's apartment in North London. She helped me with the theatre and she went through one of her rants and we spent the weekend listening to Bob Marley, Gregory Isaaacs, Linval Thompson, and Trojan Records artists.. In my presence M calmed down, we laughed, she talked, we had a beer and she told me of how she had joined a reggae music website, found a mentor in a Rastafarian woman in the States who was helping her overcome her issues, and she showed me her writing and her poetry.

And it was yesterday when we were spending time together just like a couple, chilling, talking, listening to music, that we realized we were making a mistake in making such a big declaration and trying to be together. The red flag is the one thing which brought us together - the hostel and the homeless charity which runs the hostel. These were the people who had - despite how I was treated in one of their hostels - led me to being assigned an apartment with a housing association and also is an active partner in my support group and charity work, but for M they ruined her life, caused her to have a nervous breakdown and cost her her career.

M still wants to come into the theatre and work with me, but will be working with me and the Broadwater Farm community initiatives in North London with the black community working on a separate 'Jamaica reggae' version of one of my plays. Her biggest passion in life isn't theatre but music, and we realized that close as we are that our lives have now separated into two separate trajectory paths and this is the way it's meant to be. M wants to get her life together, get somewhere to live, find a job, and raise enough to be able to emigrate to Jamaica where she wants to write songs to reggae music. My own trajectory path is taking me across the Atlantic but much further north.

M is a beginner domme, she's a free spirit, she needs lots of space and freedom in a relationship, similar to me (though I'm not domme, but sub), and yet last week found us both desperately reaching out for each other, needy as hell, but we realised that we could do much more for each other in a friendship than being together in a relationship.

I cannot describe her smile or the way she finds calm when you put on a track by the Mighty Diamonds, Bob Marley, Marcia Griffiths, or Peter Tosh, nor can I find words to describe the passion she shows when she talks about reggae music, rocksteady or two tone ska, all I know is that she needs to channel her anger into that sort of passion and find that inner peace for her to find herself and bring herself back together.

People come into your life for a reason and I strongly believe in a philosophy where you live your life as if you only have a week to live - say what you mean and mean what you say, live for the moment, for today, have the courage to be yourself, and to catch the moment and take the opportunities when they come. You see the older you get the quicker time passes, and some opportunities and some people won't come back into your life a second time round.

Yeah right, another big relationship which didn't work out. But this is my point about having expectations which exceed the relationship or the other person. This is where you end up becoming insecure, where you end up getting hurt and this would be a point where I could be thinking 'why does this always happen to me?' or even 'she's a fake' but you know the near misses and almost theres carry just as much success as they do failure and leave you with even more to learn from. So what if the relationship doesn't exist? The friendship remains and is even stronger and this to me is far more important.

I posted on another thread somewhere that love isn't just three little words, but a feeling for someone which you don't understand and perhaps a feeling for which you cannot find the reason why. Thinking about this more I think the same can be said about being alone and loneliness. But then again part of me feels that you're alone simply because that one person isn't in your life and hasn't found you.

Looking for love and searching for love among people never seems to lead to love, but I do believe can teach you a lot about forming relationships. So how do you find love? You think I know? All I can do is guess, and my guess is to learn to recognize it in the face of someone you come across or meet.

But whatever you do, please don't quote me.




Fnordstrum -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 5:47:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lally3

hi,

ive been wondering this for a while - i was browsing through the many people seeking partners on fet life, alt. bondage, here - so many people looking for people. interests arent that far apart, distance may have a bearing, compatibility of course, sexual attraction is important too. but why is it that so many people are looking and still looking when there are so many people out there looking for more or less the same thing.

on the whole we are all regular folk, with regular lives, looking for someone to connect with. so why, when there are so many singles in this lifestyle, that so few seem to find what they are looking for.

whats wrong with us? seriously - i just dont understand it.



For me personally, distance is the main issue I come across... for some reason it seems nobody I talk to online, on any site and for any reason, happens to live close to me. (This is made a lot worse by the fact that I don't drive, don't have much of an interest in the whole driving / getting a car / etc thing)... But there are people I've talked to that seem pretty cool, etc, but live on the other side of the country (far enough so that even if I did drive it'd be kind of far)

Why it is that I have a much easier time finding people far away than close.. Well I could hypothesize, but, really I don't know.

And as far as people in general, even if people on the surface seem to share similar interests / etc, people in general are probably more picky, picky about things that might not be mentioned in their profiles/etc... and of course even if a ton of people share the same interests, it's possible none of them are physically attracted to each other.

Fnord.

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StayOfExecution -> RE: why cant people find each other (11/3/2008 5:53:29 PM)

I'm on the picky side.  I could have someone by the weekend if I wanted to settle.  But I don't.  I screen carefully and usually rule them out based on any number of reasons.  I think settling for the wrong one just to have someone to be with is the cause for so much of the heartbreak we see out here.  Holding out may seem like a longer process but it really isn't.  We waste more time with the wrong people and then recovering from the break-up, than we do holding out for someone more compatible.




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