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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/15/2008 4:39:12 PM   
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All it took was a little dominant body language and speech (an expression of dominance) that helped me transition from feeling like her vanilla friend who was helping her clean her place to a submissive who was cleaning for her. My mind began to buzz with feelings of submission.

Yes!  I'm convinced that the same would work for me.  But it takes two to tango, as you imply.  She'd have to get into the mode for me to be able to be there too.


PeonforHer,

That's why I took a few days 'off' recently. I didn't have the energy to *snap-crackle-pop* and then when my sub came over at my command last night I was able to bounce back into 'Domme mode'

With lifestyle D/s subs can get into that 'waiting for Her to get it up for me'  headspace.
I understand it, however some days I need to recharge my Domme/woman/human batteries and do not want to be 'on'. That's a good time for me to hang out at home, rest and relax in total peace.




That falls under the old title of "when is a sub dominating from beneath", for me.  I still have puzzles about that.  Tricky.  I can imagine a domme wanting "time off", of course.  Still, you can always indicate when your batteries are now fully recharged by using LP's throat-grasping move.  (I can't get over that.  So simple, so straight to the point.  )

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/15/2008 4:59:28 PM   
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That doesn't mean that I don't have a habit of, every once in a while, grabbing him by the nipple and commanding him to kneel.  It's not uncommon for Me to slap his ass and ask him how wearing My marks feels.  If the mood strikes Me, I will absolutely grab him by the throat and ask him who he belongs to.  None of these little things take much time, but they also help to keep him in his submissive mindset.

Well said LP! (I like the company better here as well)
Sometimes, the little things are most effective in bouncing me right into my submissive headspace. A soft "and just WHO is in charge here?" when I get uppity or fist in my hair/ teeth on my neck for no reason at all usually does the trick... not to mention melting me in all the right places, lol.

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/15/2008 5:23:53 PM   
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If the mood strikes Me, I will absolutely grab him by the throat and ask him who he belongs to.
 
LP, I don't think you need those other techniques, fine as they are.  The throat-grabbing one on its own would most definitely do the required job, entirely on its own. 
 
Hell, it's making me loosen my collar, sitting the other side of the Atlantic from you!

Actually, that's part of the point.  One doesn't need long, drawn out rituals or events that take a ton of time, planning, or orchestrating.  A quick reminder of authority takes just a moment or two and does worlds of good for both sides of the kneel. 

Oh, I should mention this is especially fun when I can pull My hand back from his neck and see the little marks left by My nails.  For some reason, that just gives Me a little extra joy at the endeavor.



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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/15/2008 5:28:11 PM   
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If the mood strikes Me, I will absolutely grab him by the throat and ask him who he belongs to.
 
LP, I don't think you need those other techniques, fine as they are.  The throat-grabbing one on its own would most definitely do the required job, entirely on its own. 
 
Hell, it's making me loosen my collar, sitting the other side of the Atlantic from you!

Actually, that's part of the point.  One doesn't need long, drawn out rituals or events that take a ton of time, planning, or orchestrating.  A quick reminder of authority takes just a moment or two and does worlds of good for both sides of the kneel. 

Oh, I should mention this is especially fun when I can pull My hand back from his neck and see the little marks left by My nails.  For some reason, that just gives Me a little extra joy at the endeavor.




I love those... also the tooth marks from a little nip at the base of the neck.  I really hate those memory excercises I was doing, all sorts of things are coming back to me.

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/15/2008 5:29:52 PM   
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Oh, I should mention this is especially fun when I can pull My hand back from his neck and see the little marks left by My nails.  For some reason, that just gives Me a little extra joy at the endeavor.

Ok, now my throat is actually beginning to hurt.  Just please tell me you don't use the same manoeuvre further south.

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/15/2008 6:44:23 PM   
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rituals are good as well as some spontinaity. i always look for some way to make my M'Lady happy. the D/s dynamic is like any other if you put effort in it will get a return. i do enjoy it when my  M'Lady grabs me by the throat and asks me who i belong to. i am her subisive my place is at her feet

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/15/2008 6:56:37 PM   
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I agree with MissEnchanted, time off is essential for me. Trying to be in a 24/7 lifestyle D/s relationship for about one year and BDSM for 3 years prior with my sub, it’s a challenge to always be ‘on’ and contrive new and creative ways to torture him. Sure, sometimes all he wants is to be tied up while I watch TV, but even this does take some effort. Even though we have a dungeon in our house and get to the clubs once a month-playing every night take energy that I don’t always have. I just don’t know how others can be ‘on’ all the time? I would love to know what you do with a greedy sub who just always wants me to get him in a subbie mind space.

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/16/2008 3:39:35 PM   
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I was thinking that a weekly beating my do it?! 


You could call that a ritual ;-)

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/16/2008 3:47:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DominaSusan

I agree with MissEnchanted, time off is essential for me. Trying to be in a 24/7 lifestyle D/s relationship for about one year and BDSM for 3 years prior with my sub, it’s a challenge to always be ‘on’ and contrive new and creative ways to torture him. Sure, sometimes all he wants is to be tied up while I watch TV, but even this does take some effort. Even though we have a dungeon in our house and get to the clubs once a month-playing every night take energy that I don’t always have. I just don’t know how others can be ‘on’ all the time? I would love to know what you do with a greedy sub who just always wants me to get him in a subbie mind space.



OMG, 24/7 and always "on" would be a nightmare for me, heaven knows that I sometimes have a hard time thinking for myself, to do it for another person too? No way!

As for what to do with a greedy sub who always wants you to get him into subbie mind space - I call those emotional vampires and I don't walk away, I RUN!

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/16/2008 7:20:00 PM   
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if the weekly or more beatings don't do it, the chains with cuffs hanging from the bedroom wall might help remind him, or the collar he wears 24/7 or if he misbehaves or bugs me the ........ "bitch you need to be beaten" statement that pops out of my mouth.


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We have daily rituals and our rules that have been in place from the end of the 9 month training we did. We do not let these consistent rules and rituals slide unless I'm out of town or Fox is -- rare. Aside from these, I'll ask from time to time "Who am I?" and "What are you?" to get us both a bit more connected.


I am thinking of an analogy. Let's imagine feeling the D/s roles as two balloons that are tied together with a string of some length and have been tossed up in the air. The balloons rise up and then begin to slowly drop. And any one person can give it one or both balloons a push up. How hard and how often the balloons need to be pushed up depends on the level at which the two wish to maintain the balloons. The string allows the balloons to exist at different level at a given time. However, they are connected. One balloon while rising may eventually help the other rise. And one balloon falling may pull the other down as well.

In this analogy each expression of D/s, whether it is an elaborate or regularly scheduled ritual or not, serves as a push up for the balloon or balloons.

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/16/2008 11:43:53 PM   
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I decided one day to put him there. Standing spread eagle facing all the mirrors in that area and walked out of the room. Kind of my way of reminding him who was boss... you know?


I think that is an excellent way to remind him of his role. I expect that seeing himself tied up added to whatever feelings he might have had upon only feeling tied up without the visual.

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/17/2008 6:36:28 AM   
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I decided one day to put him there. Standing spread eagle facing all the mirrors in that area and walked out of the room. Kind of my way of reminding him who was boss... you know?


I think that is an excellent way to remind him of his role. I expect that seeing himself tied up added to whatever feelings he might have had upon only feeling tied up without the visual.

Cheers,

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I'd like to believe that to be true, and it probably is for most individuals... but not for him. He enjoyed the visual way to much, it was more like a reward to him. Needless to say, it didn't last.
 
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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/17/2008 8:20:23 AM   
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I'd like to believe that to be true, and it probably is for most individuals... but not for him. He enjoyed the visual way to much, it was more like a reward to him. Needless to say, it didn't last.


I see what you mean and think it depends on the objective. If the objective is to create torment towards SM, this approach may or may not work based on the individual. If the objective is to provide a reminder of one's submission, I think this approach would work. I often find reminders of submission to enhance the feeling of submission I feel and, thus, I appreciate them.

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/17/2008 8:35:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel

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I decided one day to put him there. Standing spread eagle facing all the mirrors in that area and walked out of the room. Kind of my way of reminding him who was boss... you know?


I think that is an excellent way to remind him of his role. I expect that seeing himself tied up added to whatever feelings he might have had upon only feeling tied up without the visual.

Cheers,

Sea


I'd like to believe that to be true, and it probably is for most individuals... but not for him. He enjoyed the visual way to much, it was more like a reward to him. Needless to say, it didn't last.
 
Jewel


I'll take a position that is probably going to be unpopular with some submissive men.

The success of a femdom dynamic starts and ends with the woman in the relationship - period.  If she has to implement things "just to keep the sub happy" or adjusted, it's a slippery slope that will start to eat at the organic pleasure of her role, and eventually bite them both in the ass.  The moment a femdom starts to implement things as a way to "save" or "fix" things, she's started to play a role vs. feed her inner femdom.  That is like a virus.  It starts to kill the passion.  Then the sub senses that her heart is not in it; that begins the dialogue of "why don't you enjoy this any more? why can't you be more into it?" - and then she starts to try harder to fake it.  Domination becomes a chore.  It becomes very stale.

My advice?  The femdom dynamic must grow and thrive in the woman and from her POV.  If she's needing a break, a break must be taken.  If she needs to recharge her batteries and rediscover her inner femdom, he needs to back off and allow that space, and trust that she's doing the best she can. In the meantime, he can adopt any number of proactive submissive tasks, so long as they don't make her feel pressured and as long as they are not passive aggressive. 

It's hard for some submissive men to not be needy.  They start to get into the philosophy of "both people need to be happy."  In those situations, they have a choice - be patient and let your femdom find her inner fire, or be impatient and allow her to dominate you out of obligation.  Watch how fast that snuffs out her flame.  If you exercise patience, the rewards may be far greater.  Sure, out of love and affection, she will probably succumb quickly to the obligation - after all, you're right, it takes two people to make a good relationship, so she may as well put on a femdom face and hope the urges follow when she starts going through the motions. But then what if they don't? Resentment, frustration, sadness follow. 

I don't think submissive men recognize that for those women who have an honest, organic, biological, psychological *need* to dominate, they also have ups and downs, emotional challenges, potential for burn out and exhaustion.  It's far better to let her go at her own pace then to wave the "equality" flag and pipe up that submissives have needs too, and appeal to her natural instinct to want to nurture her man.  You appeal to the *wrong* instinct in her and potentially screw it up.  Wouldn't you rather have her dominating you out of lust, not obligation? Sure, she can do both, and perhaps even convincingly. But if it's to sacrfice the larger picture?

Instead, at least give the hands-off approach a try.  Back off completely and give her all the time and space she needs, talk to her about her feelings, remain affecionate and flirtacious, and instead re-install mystery, spontaneity and laughter into the relationship, letting her femdom side grow back. It might be an energy drain hitting her, distraction from the stresses of life, or any number of things.  Talk about if it's happened to her before and how it resolved, and be supportive and whatever level of "vanilla" she needs.  Chances are, she's worrying about it just as much if not more than you are. Put into a letter some ideas of how *you* can feed your submissive side without being a burden to her, or simply take matters into your own hands and channel your needs to proactive service.

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/17/2008 10:46:08 AM   
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My advice?  The femdom dynamic must grow and thrive in the woman and from her POV.  If she's needing a break, a break must be taken.  If she needs to recharge her batteries and rediscover her inner femdom, he needs to back off and allow that space, and trust that she's doing the best she can. In the meantime, he can adopt any number of proactive submissive tasks, so long as they don't make her feel pressured and as long as they are not passive aggressive. 

It’s so ironic, though, Akasha.  I can imagine some dominas reading that and thinking, “yes, absolutely, I must focus on myself, not my sub”.  Many if not most subs might even agree.  Yet such dominas might find it difficult advice to follow because they’d feel themselves to be ‘selfish’ in so doing.  It’s quite hard, I think, to go against one’s upbringing in regards to that 'sin'. 

Most moral philosophies, plus all those taught in religions that I know of, start with the same simple moral injuction: "Be generous". So we may take it that this is a very, very deeply ingrained piece of social conditioning indeed.  Following that, I do wonder at times if 'focusing on one's own needs and desires"  might be the hardest thing of all about attaining or maintaining a 'domina mindset'.

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/17/2008 11:01:25 AM   
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My advice?  The femdom dynamic must grow and thrive in the woman and from her POV.  If she's needing a break, a break must be taken.  If she needs to recharge her batteries and rediscover her inner femdom, he needs to back off and allow that space, and trust that she's doing the best she can. In the meantime, he can adopt any number of proactive submissive tasks, so long as they don't make her feel pressured and as long as they are not passive aggressive. 

It’s so ironic, though, Akasha.  I can imagine some dominas reading that and thinking, “yes, absolutely, I must focus on myself, not my sub”.  Many if not most subs might even agree.  Yet such dominas might find it difficult advice to follow because they’d feel themselves to be ‘selfish’ in so doing.  It’s quite hard, I think, to go against one’s upbringing in regards to that 'sin'. 

Most moral philosophies, plus all those taught in religions that I know of, start with the same simple moral injuction: "Be generous". So we may take it that this is a very, very deeply ingrained piece of social conditioning indeed.  Following that, I do wonder at times if 'focusing on one's own needs and desires"  might be the hardest thing of all about attaining or maintaining a 'domina mindset'.


It is feminine nature to want to nurture and take care of a man we adore.  Trust me, I have been down this road.  If anything, it's hard NOT for a femdom to just try to "suck it up...do the dominant thing...for him."  We think that much like making love, the right wheels will start turning and the desire will follow.  Ok, sometimes, maybe it works.  But when it doesn't work, it just starts a bad cycle. 

You are dealing with two distinct types of desires. One is the desire to care for, nurture, make your man feel happy and content.  All it takes is for the man to make his case that it's a 'need' and it probably is enough for a woman to think, "I'm just being selfish. ok, I'll do it."  Then it becomes all blurred.  If this continues to happen over time, domination becomes a chore, a necessary ritual, an expectation.  Suddenly a femdom realizes she's not doing it for herself anymore, and the sub feels like the passion is gone and she's going through the motions.

The other desire is the craving of domination, of bending his will, of having him submit.  I'm only talking about domination/submission here, the dynamic of power exchange, not just topping/bottoming that can be done at will, on the fly.  The act of taking control of a man in some manner, emotionally or physically, is one that takes energy - emotional energy. 

If it's done for any other reason than joy, I think it's a negative drain on energy.  I think some ladies can do this more often than others. I know I have a low tolerance for it, I get burnt out and cranky in no time.  When I hear of femdoms talking about the lost spark or trouble enjoying their domination, it's usually linked to a sense of obligation or dominating out of guilt.  When I hear of subs saying their femdom "just isn't into it like she used to be" I hear of staleness, rituals, or expecations ("She doesn't even notice and punish me when I do wrong anymore.") 

I have absolutely no idea why my drive works this way, and I can only make assumptions about others.  But I do know that women suffer from burnout, use terms like "psychic vampires" when they don't feel fulfilled from domination, and that submissive men increasingly tow the line of "wants vs. needs" and that a good relationship satisfies *both* partners and that when things are firing on all cyllinders, a femdom should want to dominate her man even when maybe she's not up for it - for the better of the relationship as a whole.  Because that's what couples do.  I hold the unpopular belief that this is the absolute worst thing to have in a femdom relationship, because it's a slippery slope that can lead to her dominating him just to get it over with and not because she woke up hungry for it. 

Submissive men - you can't have your cake and eat it to.  It can't be "I want my femdom to dominate me ONLY when she is in the mood.  Or, when I want her to -- because we both have needs."  You can have the latter if you accept that you may have some fallout related to burnout and resentment down the road, or you can wait patiently to allow her femdom urges to be nurtured naturally.  Or, you can accept that she's roleplaying her dominance to please you.

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/17/2008 11:10:42 AM   
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I had to think about your post Akasha, and I keep coming back to the same thing---I don't need to "recover", "find", or do anything at all to my inner femdom.  I am a dominant woman, and I don't turn it on or off.  What DOES wax and wane is the desire to play.  I can pretty much always be persuaded into sex, but a full out scene is NOT going to happen if I am not feeling up for it. 

As to the rest, I am very clear about what I do not find entertaining, useful, or life enhancing.  I will not compromise myself, and someone who is not compatible with me will find out in a hurry.  Yes, I want my partner to be happy to be with me, and yes, I will take care of him, but when it comes down to it, I will not cave in "just because".  We can't always get what we want.

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/17/2008 11:24:33 AM   
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Yes.  I see all that.  Makes a lot of sense, in fact.

However, there's bound to be an allied problem for subs, then.  They've got to be very watchful for which side of dominas - the 'nurturing' or the 'dominant' side - is actually doing the dominating.  That's a tall order as well because in effect, and at times, subs are going to have to resist actions that look, to them, as though they're stemming from what, to the dominant, will be affection!

What a bunch of ironies.  The basic requirement seems to be sensitivity, by the spadeful.




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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/17/2008 11:27:01 AM   
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Are you picking a fight with Akasha as to who's the more dominant of you both, Lady H?

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RE: How to Keep the D/s Dynamic Alive - 11/17/2008 11:32:15 AM   
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Yes.  I see all that.  Makes a lot of sense, in fact.

However, there's bound to be an allied problem for subs, then.  They've got to be very watchful for which side of dominas - the 'nurturing' or the 'dominant' side - is actually doing the dominating.  That's a tall order as well because in effect, and at times, subs are going to have to resist actions that look, to them, as though they're stemming from what, to the dominant, will be affection!

What a bunch of ironies.  The basic requirement seems to be sensitivity, by the spadeful.




Why do we have to chop our personalities into bits, though?  It's always Francine doing the dominating, and she is nurturing all the time---or damn close.  I can be very loving, while still engaging in Mal's favourite activity!   (my Rich Inner Life is getting the better of me these days...)   (oh, and I am not doing anything with Mal, we have never met in realtime)

The whole line of reasoning seems to me to say that we are putting on some kind of mental costume and being dominant one minute, and vanilla gal the next.  There is NO thought required for me.  Sure, both parties need to reinforce their bond, and reinforce it often on many levels.  There are times when I really feel that surge coming over me, and I want to kiss him and crush him at the same time.  There are other times when it's less intense, and less overt, but I don't need to be reminded that I am a dominant.

Am I missing the point? I am spectacularly good at that, I know.

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