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rulemylife -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 9:52:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I have no plans to debate it. You need to do whatever feels right to you....as will I. The American Academy of Pediatrics also says it's ok to pump children full of things like Ritalin, Prozac and Tylenol.


You would have the energy to debate it if you drank more milk.

I think I've found my true calling in life.

From this day forward I will change my screen name to the Milkman and forever dedicate myself to ensuring that everyone on CM receives their daily recommendations of calcium and vitamin D.




BBBTBW -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 9:53:46 AM)

I am 6'1 and 300 lbs.  Can't fit into an airline seat either way.  So I drive everywhere and enjoy the scenery. 

As far as losing weight.  I am one of those people that can't.  I have done everything under the sun to lose weight short of surgery and it seems I gain.  So I gave up trying.  I eat healthy, I exercise and I maintain.  My blood pressure is well within normal levels, My blood sugar is well within normal levels, I had an EKG the other day and the  Dr. couldn't say anything negative about it.  I am healthy.  I can't walk for exercise because of an injury I sustained at the hands of a wreckless driver several years ago but I can do normal daily walking...what is it, 3 miles a day for the average person?  You can't judge a book by its cover...I was given lemons and I make the greatest lemonaid ever made. 

If you want to make me pay more for the same service that everyone is getting, then you don't really want my money.  If you want to discriminate against me because I am Large,  (I won't say overweight because I don't believe I am.) then you have lost a potential good friend and ally.  I have made my choice....your choice in how you relate to me is your decision to make.  Not seeking to change anyone's view of how they see the world....however if you judge someone by what they look like, then we go back to the pre 60s era and the days of segregation.  I dont' think anyone wants that.  Or do they?




mistoferin -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 10:00:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I have no plans to debate it. You need to do whatever feels right to you....as will I. The American Academy of Pediatrics also says it's ok to pump children full of things like Ritalin, Prozac and Tylenol.


And i suppose there is no good reasons or benefits to these drugs?
I have a Um with Aspergers syndrome and drugs like Concerta are a godsend to all of us.


I think that you have to make those choices on a case by case basis and they usually boil down to the "lesser of two evils". I believe those drugs and drugs like them (actually, drugs in general) are highly over prescribed. I think that many times there are other options...but those options usually require time, dedication and dilligence and are often overlooked because of those reasons. But regardless of whether or not one chooses to use or not use those pharmaceutical options...I don't think that anyone can disagree that they are indeed poison.




mistoferin -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 10:06:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BBBTBW
As far as losing weight.  I am one of those people that can't.  I have done everything under the sun to lose weight short of surgery and it seems I gain.  So I gave up trying.  I eat healthy, I exercise and I maintain.  My blood pressure is well within normal levels, My blood sugar is well within normal levels, I had an EKG the other day and the  Dr. couldn't say anything negative about it.  I am healthy.  I can't walk for exercise because of an injury I sustained at the hands of a wreckless driver several years ago but I can do normal daily walking...what is it, 3 miles a day for the average person?  You can't judge a book by its cover...I was given lemons and I make the greatest lemonaid ever made. 


I am glad that you made this point. Size is not always an indicator of health...or a lack of it. Many years ago I used to do nutritional counseling and I can tell you that the hardest people I had to work with were the skinny fat people....and there are a lot of them. These are people who are within the height/weight guidelines so they don't tend to see how unhealthy they are. They often live sedentary lifestyles and eat poorly.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 10:12:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I have no plans to debate it. You need to do whatever feels right to you....as will I. The American Academy of Pediatrics also says it's ok to pump children full of things like Ritalin, Prozac and Tylenol.


You would have the energy to debate it if you drank more milk.

I think I've found my true calling in life.

From this day forward I will change my screen name to the Milkman and forever dedicate myself to ensuring that everyone on CM receives their daily recommendations of calcium and vitamin D.



God bless you Milkman. My Hero *swoon* [sm=hearts.gif]




mistoferin -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 10:17:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I have no plans to debate it. You need to do whatever feels right to you....as will I. The American Academy of Pediatrics also says it's ok to pump children full of things like Ritalin, Prozac and Tylenol.


You would have the energy to debate it if you drank more milk.

I think I've found my true calling in life.

From this day forward I will change my screen name to the Milkman and forever dedicate myself to ensuring that everyone on CM receives their daily recommendations of calcium and vitamin D.



God bless you Milkman. My Hero *swoon* [sm=hearts.gif]


Seriously, you can think me as clueless as you wish. The reason why I chose not to debate it is because it would be like trying to tell a Diet Coke addict that aspartame isn't good for you. Sometimes people are just more comfortable swimming along peacefully in their river of denial.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 10:22:08 AM)

I understand the desire for more organic products including hormone and anibiotic free milk and meat. But to call these kinds of nutritious foods the enemy is ludicrous.




ModeratorEleven -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 10:23:37 AM)

Folks, leave the discussion of minors out of this please.

XI





mistoferin -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 10:25:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
But to call these kinds of nutritious foods the enemy is ludicrous.


In your opinion....which is fine. But just because I don't share your opinion does not mean mine is invalid....or ludicrous.




VirginPotty -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 10:28:04 AM)

[sm=dunno.gif]When did this topic change from obese people taking up 2 seats at no cost to the great milk debate?  Some people are overweight because the healthy food is more expensive than the fatty food and it's a better bargain if you're on a fixed income.
Some people just like the taste of that Big Mac w/a choc shake & extra french fries and the convenience of never leaving their car to get it. God bless the drive-thru windows.
Personally, I don't care what your preference is, eat all you want, that's less for me.
I do not like that they can have 2 seats for the price of 1.
OP, put me down for "against".

**Eta, I drink Latose Free Skim Milk & my stomach's never felt better**




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 10:28:20 AM)

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think that you have to make those choices on a case by case basis and they usually boil down to the "lesser of two evils". I believe those drugs and drugs like them (actually, drugs in general) are highly over prescribed. I think that many times there are other options...but those options usually require time, dedication and dilligence and are often overlooked because of those reasons. But regardless of whether or not one chooses to use or not use those pharmaceutical options...I don't think that anyone can disagree that they are indeed poison.


Medicine is not poison. Unless you are stating that all medication is useless?




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 10:30:14 AM)

I want 1 seat. If it is small I will hope to have got a good deal for it. The end.




mistoferin -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 10:31:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Unless you are stating that all medication is useless?


I didn't state any such thing. However, VirginPotty is right....we are hijacking this thread and my sincere apologies go to the OP. You and I will just have to agree to disagree.




Lynnxz -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 10:33:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BBBTBW

I am 6'1 and 300 lbs.  Can't fit into an airline seat either way.  So I drive everywhere and enjoy the scenery. 

As far as losing weight.  I am one of those people that can't.  I have done everything under the sun to lose weight short of surgery and it seems I gain.  So I gave up trying.  I eat healthy, I exercise and I maintain.  My blood pressure is well within normal levels, My blood sugar is well within normal levels, I had an EKG the other day and the  Dr. couldn't say anything negative about it.  I am healthy.  I can't walk for exercise because of an injury I sustained at the hands of a wreckless driver several years ago but I can do normal daily walking...what is it, 3 miles a day for the average person?  You can't judge a book by its cover...I was given lemons and I make the greatest lemonaid ever made. 

If you want to make me pay more for the same service that everyone is getting, then you don't really want my money.  If you want to discriminate against me because I am Large,  (I won't say overweight because I don't believe I am.) then you have lost a potential good friend and ally.  I have made my choice....your choice in how you relate to me is your decision to make.  Not seeking to change anyone's view of how they see the world....however if you judge someone by what they look like, then we go back to the pre 60s era and the days of segregation.  I dont' think anyone wants that.  Or do they?



a) You aren't getting the same service as everyone else if you are using more than everyone else.

b) Discrimination would be to simply not allow larger people on the plane.




RainydayNE -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 10:36:23 AM)

it's true that weight is not an indicator of health, but paying more for the same service others are getting isn't really what it is.
i pay to bring extra weight on in the form of a really heavy suitcase. when in the cabin with other people who are already packed as closely together as you can be with humane concerns in mind, if i'm making someone else's flight uncomfortable because i'm bleeding over from my seat into theirs, then there's an issue there.
they're paying tons for a flight and should get to be as comfrortable as they can be.
i happen to be on the chubby side myself, but i don't find anything offensive about that. once on a bus i ended up next to a really large lady who figured that since i wasn't taking up all of my seat, then she was somehow entitled to it. with plenty of prodding and making her uncomfortable (i'm basically nonconfrontational really), i got my space back. i needed that space in order to curl up into a ball and go to sleep (was on the bus for like 16 hours or something)

someone has paid for the space of their ONE seat. if you are sitting in their seat, too, then that's not fair to them.
nobody said anything like "oh big people are such crap! they make my life miserable!"
it's just the way it is. (oo, to clarify, i don't mean that big people are crap and that's just the way it is. i mean that people should have to pay for what they use. THAT'S just the way it is.)

as far as dairy goes --
http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/lactoseintolerance/

"Between 30 and 50 million Americans are lactose intolerant and certain ethnic and racial populations are more affected than others. Up to 80 percent of African Americans, 80 to 100 percent of American Indians, and 90 to 100 percent of Asian Americans are lactose intolerant. The condition is least common among people of northern European descent."

where cow's milk wasn't a major means of nutrition, people did not evolve the means to process it in adulthood.
all humans begin producing LESS lactase after the age of 2. we aren't meant to keep drinking it into adulthood, and we're the only animals who do. there's nothing natural about it.
cow's milk is indeed intended for a CALF, to make that calf grow 600 pounds in its first year of life. cows don't keep drinking cow's milk after they're weaned. humans don't keep nursing from their mothers into adulthood, and we don't buy breastmilk in the grocery store. i could never drink plain milk when i was young because it just tasted like "sick" to me, to be honest. and you should look at the figures on PASSABLE amounts of contamination that the milk producers know is in the milk you're drinking. people obsessively purify their water and only drink certain brands of bottled, but nobody's concerned with milk? a fluid from another species?
i drank very little milk as a child, but ate loads of dark leafy green vegetables. spinach provides plenty of calcium, and most kids WILL eat spinach if you don't overcook it. and vitamin D in milk is an ADDITION. it's not naturally occuring. you can get plenty of vit. D if you just spend a couple of hours out in the sun (which is indeed available in the winter =p)
the only bone i ever broke is a toe, and that's because i dropped a chair on it THEN fell on said chair =p
the "need" for milk is manufactured by the people who produce and sell it.

(and obviously other cultures evolved perfectly fine WITHOUT cow's milk, so you could even get into the ethical debate of forcing one cultures ideas about health onto all other cultures in the world. northern europeans believe milk is great but it makes everyone else sick. why is the northern european idea of cow's milk the one that became "medical fact"? you honestly have to ask yourself, but i'm not going to get into it because that would be further hijacking.)

if you take up two seats, pay for two seats. you don't need anything free. if we're giving out free perks, i want free seats in first class because uh... i'm claustrophobic and they're further apart?
should bigger people get free gas every month because sometimes their cars burn more gas because they're carrying more weight?




VirginPotty -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 10:39:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Unless you are stating that all medication is useless?


I didn't state any such thing. However, VirginPotty is right....we are hijacking this thread and my sincere apologies go to the OP. You and I will just have to agree to disagree.


[sm=ugh.gif]Did you say I was "right"? 
[sm=dancer.gif]Cool

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If you want to make me pay more for the same service that everyone is getting, then you don't really want my money.  If you want to discriminate against me because I am Large,  (I won't say overweight because I don't believe I am.) then you have lost a potential good friend and ally.  I have made my choice....your choice in how you relate to me is your decision to make.  Not seeking to change anyone's view of how they see the world....however if you judge someone by what they look like, then we go back to the pre 60s era and the days of segregation.  I dont' think anyone wants that.  Or do they?



a) You aren't getting the same service as everyone else if you are using more than everyone else.

b) Discrimination would be to simply not allow larger people on the plane.



I'm going to have to agree w/Lynx on this, you're not discriminated against because of your size if you're asked to pay for the seats you need. Only if you're asked to leave the plane.  I like what one poster said, why should obese folks get 2 seats for free yet if you need a seat for a toddler/car seat you have to pay? Where's the justice?




BoundRose -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 11:03:01 AM)

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So, where is the outrage towards tall, skinny people with long legs whose knees press against the back of my seat and make it impossible for me to recline? Or, who recline their seat to give them more space for their long legs and take up the space I want to use for my laptop or book in front of me.

BTW...I'm tall, fat, fly first class and voted for McCain.


So let me get this straight. You have the right to recline, but the passenger in front of you doesn't, because you want to use a laptop or read?

And where is the outrage towards people who hold children (not babies) on their laps for the entire flight (having not paid for a ticket for the child) and get outraged themselves when I ask, politely, that the little dear not keep kicking the back of my seat?

BTW: I'm middlin' tall, take up one seat in coach without overlapping into the next one, travel with a dialysis machine, and voted for Obama.




mistoferin -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 11:05:48 AM)

FR~ Maybe this whole issue could be resolved if the airlines would accomodate for the fact that people don't come in just one size. If they made some "seat and halfs" and then some "kid seats" they could probably even still get the same number of people on a plane.




VirginPotty -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 11:15:22 AM)

There you go!




justgemmie -> RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- (11/21/2008 11:28:17 AM)

oh!!  mist that's a fantastic idea! 




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