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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/6/2008 11:19:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		so what you have is a power struggle then, that works for both of you.

youre a domme bitch one day and a beaten submissive the next and the rest of the time you sail, eat chocolate and go to the movies. 

cool.




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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/6/2008 11:23:32 AM   
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He has been out with submissives but got bored with the easiness of it all after a while. He is a sadist and as we all know, sadists tend to get off on the thought of it all being unconsensual. I am a sado/masochist and so I too get off on the thought of it not being consensual but we do have a get out clause.


You are both people and you both have feelings that are natural to you and make you happy together--this is very good. Just as an aside, though, not all sadists are happy with the thought that anything they do with a partner is non-consensual; it doesn't work for me and even when talking to other sadists, it tends to shut me down or turn me off when there is any hint of involving a non-masochist in the game.

I don't know if this makes me the weird one or not, just wanted to say that the dynamic you have isn't universal, even among other sadist-masochist pairs. I hope that will make you treasure it all the more, if it works and makes you happy.

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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/6/2008 11:58:40 AM   
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Fun for a scene but if he's got to beat me to get me to get his cereal, I'm probably not suited for this style of relationship.

Me, I'm a get-my-own-cereal sort.....but if the coffee doesn't magically appear on my desk....well, I've been told slaves don't like me pre-caffeinated!


Val is... less than pleasent in the morning. I like to give him his breakfast and back the fuck away for about an hour or two.

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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/7/2008 4:12:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama


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He has been out with submissives but got bored with the easiness of it all after a while. He is a sadist and as we all know, sadists tend to get off on the thought of it all being unconsensual. I am a sado/masochist and so I too get off on the thought of it not being consensual but we do have a get out clause.


You are both people and you both have feelings that are natural to you and make you happy together--this is very good. Just as an aside, though, not all sadists are happy with the thought that anything they do with a partner is non-consensual; it doesn't work for me and even when talking to other sadists, it tends to shut me down or turn me off when there is any hint of involving a non-masochist in the game.

I don't know if this makes me the weird one or not, just wanted to say that the dynamic you have isn't universal, even among other sadist-masochist pairs. I hope that will make you treasure it all the more, if it works and makes you happy.


I am only ever sadistic to masochists, only ever dominant to submissives and the same goes for Steve. Its very much a case of living the dream. Up to meeting Steve I had never found anyone who would really hurt me physically. They would go so far but then the 'man can't hurt woman' instinct set in. I see in Steve what I see in myself and for that reason alone I know I'm safe but when its happening to me I feel the fear I crave,  and the unsurity its not going to go too far. We both love to push each other above and beyond what is possibly considered normal even within this community.

Just to add that neither of us have ever pulled legs off spiders or thrown kittens into the road.



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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/7/2008 4:59:56 AM   
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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/7/2008 5:45:28 AM   
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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/7/2008 8:02:20 AM   
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If I have to work that hard, we have a problem. If I have to convince you, you aren't for Me.


Then clearly its not your thing but thats whats so good about all this, we are all so different

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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/7/2008 1:01:52 PM   
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I'd prefer to be seduced into submission. The beating could come after that, and might take the submission to a whole new level, though.


I agree with that... I can so easily be seduced into submission, I can't even imagine being beaten into submission. But then again I am not a masochist and don't need to be beaten, i submit so willingly. LOL

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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/7/2008 2:37:57 PM   
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And any man who tried to beat the submission out of me would be carrying his scrotum and it's contents in a small polyethelene bag for the rest of his life..


LMAO....but i would agree.  He has my submission and does not NEED to beat it out of me.  There is a difference between Him wanting to just because He feels like it and me being such a brat that He feels He has to - the latter never happens.

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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/7/2008 2:55:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		to be honest, i have to say that it sounds fun
i agree that it's probably not something functional as a "long term situation"
and hasn't there been a thread by jaz about something like this before? =p
yes we knoooowww they fight each other =p

anyway, it does sound interesting. though, if he punched me with any sort of serious intent, he'd probably break my jaw. THAT doesn't sound fun
i guess there'd have to be rules like "no face, no ribs, no kidneys" or whatever =p
internal bleeding would have to be considered

i've got low center of gravity to my advantage, he has size and strength =p might actually be interesting
but meh, not anything i "need."

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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/7/2008 7:38:52 PM   
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I agree with that... I can so easily be seduced into submission, I can't even imagine being beaten into submission. But then again I am not a masochist and don't need to be beaten, i submit so willingly. LOL

I am not a masochist; not in the way you would define it....I actually do not like pain of any kind...yet, I often needed and wanted to be literally beaten into submitting to his will. It had nothing to do with seeking pain, and everything to do with seeking peace.

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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/7/2008 11:56:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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I agree with that... I can so easily be seduced into submission, I can't even imagine being beaten into submission. But then again I am not a masochist and don't need to be beaten, i submit so willingly. LOL

I am not a masochist; not in the way you would define it....I actually do not like pain of any kind...yet, I often needed and wanted to be literally beaten into submitting to his will. It had nothing to do with seeking pain, and everything to do with seeking peace.


You have made a very important point here. I have thought long and hard about why I sometimes have to have all independence stripped physically away from me by force. I know its going to hurt and at the time I usually find it hard to cope with even when I am saying 'f_ck you!'.
I do feel incredibly peaceful afterwards and that is helped by the fact that he is really a very loving and caring man. The thought of what he did keeps me so turned on for days after.

To Rainy

This is not like our fighting. He doesn't punch me. He will use his masculine brute force, tie me down and then use a BDSM tool on me. He also uses a lot of questioning techniues on me, is overly demanding and generally scares me into submission tool

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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/8/2008 3:48:46 AM   
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This is not like our fighting. He doesn't punch me. He will use his masculine brute force, tie me down and then use a BDSM tool on me. He also uses a lot of questioning techniues on me, is overly demanding and generally scares me into submission tool


Hell, I bet most everyone does that. I don't call that beating her into submission.

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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/8/2008 5:51:07 AM   
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Hell, I bet most everyone does that. I don't call that beating her into submission.


Only nearly everyone does that if there is resistance. When I resist I do that with every bit of power in my body. When you resist that hard you know your going to get hurt and you also know that inevitably your going to lose.
When I get tied up I won't give in. He can flog me, beat me, whip me, torture me to the point where I'm in a mess but if I'm in that frame of mind I am going to spit back at him 'that didn't hurt' 'come on then bring it on' and so on. Eventually and usually after Im crying my eyes out and half scared to death I will relent.

My question at the start of this thread was 'does anyone else enjoy this?'
I have been given many good replies. Some love it, some hate it and clearly some don't understand it. I don't get the impression though, that most do this but some of us clearly do


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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/8/2008 6:16:03 AM   
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This is not like our fighting. He doesn't punch me. He will use his masculine brute force, tie me down and then use a BDSM tool on me. He also uses a lot of questioning techniues on me, is overly demanding and generally scares me into submission tool

I am going to use this as my response because of Steel's response to it and your response back to him.

I can not be tied down. I have been restrained in that manner only when I was branded, and that was because he knew that I would go after him with everything in me.
My late husband and I actually DID punch, kick, and quite literally beat the shit out each other. Literally. Our relationship was what 99% would define as abusive. I do not define it as that though. I needed that kind of treatment from him in a way that most need water or food to stay alive. Being beaten, broken ( bones literally broken ), stabbed , burned....you name it, we did it to each other.

So, Steel's comment is more true than you realize. I would look at what you  refer to as 'being beaten into submission' as playing; you would see mine as total abuse.

That's ok though. You are happy, I am happy. That is all that matters.

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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/8/2008 6:23:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist
I am not a masochist; not in the way you would define it....I actually do not like pain of any kind...yet, I often needed and wanted to be literally beaten into submitting to his will. It had nothing to do with seeking pain, and everything to do with seeking peace.


Sounds more like this was your way of achieving emotional release, a catharsis. I'm glad I'm not as strong as you are, because it takes you so much to get that release.

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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/8/2008 6:27:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist
I am not a masochist; not in the way you would define it....I actually do not like pain of any kind...yet, I often needed and wanted to be literally beaten into submitting to his will. It had nothing to do with seeking pain, and everything to do with seeking peace.


Sounds more like this was your way of achieving emotional release, a catharsis. I'm glad I'm not as strong as you are, because it takes you so much to get that release.

In a sense yes;  but not so much  emotional as it was a way of me retaining control of myself. I am an extremely violent person and this was a way of being able to contain and control the violence so that it did not spill onto anyone else. It was more for peace of spirit than anything else.

LOL Now a days, I rely on a good punching bag to do what he did for me. Nothing like a couple broken knuckles being pounded into rock to get your mind back where it needs to be

edited because I just can not type for shit today

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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/8/2008 7:13:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

So, Steel's comment is more true than you realize. I would look at what you  refer to as 'being beaten into submission' as playing; you would see mine as total abuse.

That's ok though. You are happy, I am happy. That is all that matters.


I think this is a very good point and a brave one at that.
If I were not within this lifestyle would I be subconsciously looking for a partner I could abuse or one that would abuse me? probably because I know my needs are great.

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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/8/2008 9:41:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had the discussion over the weekend about what would happen to submissives who couldn’t find Doms. I, too, feel many would end up in abusive situations.

But back to the point. We are splitting hairs and talking about degrees of play. It is obvious you are safe with your Master. That’s a whole lot different than him punching you hard as he can, kicking, biting and not worrying about injuries until you are so physically helpless you submit. You and he fight now, but it is controlled.

We are really in one of those discussions of semantics again. What means one thing to you may mean something else to others.

There is certainly nothing wrong with how you two play, but it not what some may think of as beating a submissive into submission. Like I said before, I believe that is the antithesis to D/s.

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RE: Beaten into submission - 12/8/2008 7:32:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I LUUVVVV the whole "beaten into submission" thing.  If I was a slave, I would expect that I would be beaten if I was way out of line.

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