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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/7/2008 6:56:48 PM   
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Actually My horse is not high at all, in fact not as high as many who responded--I asked a simple question--to have opinions shared if My thinking was jaded, not to be crucified because I asked the question--I simply asked, if the fear is so great, why are you here--expecting a myriad of responses, reasons and opinions that would help Me see a different perspective. I hardly expected to be roasted.
 



OK. That's understandable, but seriously, the way you posted seemed like the beginning of the crucifixion process. Your OP was a bit harsh, as were some of your replies.

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Though through it all, I have seen other opinions to ponder- I still do not know how to deal with it, but that has to be done one on one as there is not a one size fits all in this case.


I'm glad you see that one size fits all does not work. That's pretty much the answer to your OP.

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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/7/2008 6:56:59 PM   
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It was actually her last line of her OP
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I'd like thoughts as I am sure My perception is a bit jaded, as I am very comfortable in My skin.

that made everything she said seem so condescending...


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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/7/2008 7:01:31 PM   
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You know (to me) this is only ever going to be an issue if you make it one. It's a big sign that someone isn't really comfortable with who they really are or with what they are doing.

I'm not saying that there's not any need to be discreet. I'm just getting together with my SO after three years due to issues such as these, she's from a small village in the top north eastern corner of Poland close to the Lithuania and Belarus borders - think concrete blocks and wooden houses, Orthodox churches, farners who still plough their fields by hand, people still drive Trabants, and a society which hasn't changed much since Stalin was the Great Leader.. She's dominant with an 'alternative sexuality', I'm transgendered, and very few people would accept, let alone understand.

Apart from of course sensitive jobs such as around UMs and certain other professions, the only other issue I see here in the West are the judgmental and narrow-minded attitudes of other people.

However looking at it in those terms and saying 'I cannot be myself in front of others' overlooks the major issue here of boundaries and respecting them.

People don't need to know what my SO and I get up to in our own home or in our relationship, my being kinky is a part of who I am, it's not a fashion statement, a trend, it's got nothing to do with my gender issues, nor my sexuality, nor is it anything that I wish to put out on display, promote or in any way advertise. I'm quite okay as I am, and my own acceptance and validation of myself is enough. I don't need it from anyone else.

But I am an adult, and therefore I am responsible, responsible for everything I do, everything I think, everything I say, and for every single decision I make. If I am not happy with who I am, I am the only who can change this and the only one responsible for doing so. Similarly I am responsible for my own lifestyle and the life I lead.

To be honest this sometimes gets on my tits. Seems to me the ones whining so loudly about wider society not understanding people in 'the lifestyle' are the ones who maybe get to play once a month or a few times a year, you know, the types who claim to be M/s 24/7 but it's all quite vanilla and when play time does get around Master has to ask his slave where she put his dirty jeans so he can pull his leather belt out of it to go with the riding crop or cane they bought off e-Bay 3 years previously. You know the sort of people, the ones who come here and start threads asking for what household objects can be used in a scene every other month when the missionary position becomes just too much.

I could ask where these people were when I put my play Switch on, but I know better than that, I know how it is at events and munches when people assure you they will be there but then they don't show. Just like trying to find a submissive, a Master, a Mistress, or someone else, a bit like pulling teeth at times. Please don't get me wrong, this isn't sour grapes on my part, the people who mattered to me all turned up or gave their apologies and this was acceptable, but there's no way I can schedule further performances of Switch if I still want to continue having actors in a theatre and it's my own fault, I should have trusted my better instincts. But guys, how else do you expect the change to happen if you're not prepared to be part of that change?

I mean what are you waiting for? Mary Whitehouse to suddenly appear as a leather clad Fairy Godmother?

Does your employer, family and friends really need to know what you get up to in your private life? And if you can't tell your friends, what's to stop you finding new friends with whom you can be more open? More to the point, what's to stop you making the changes in your life where you can be more open and yourself and live the lifestyle you want?

There are people in the community who walk the walk and talk the talk, they really do, and this includes dominants who come here and their submissives or slaves never get the chance to come anywhere near a computer, and these are also people with families, with sensitive jobs, with neighbours and also with friends who don't really understand.

There are others among us who don't have a choice, they have to be out and they have to accept the consequences.

And usually the barriers in this situation aren't other people, but the person themselves who is making this an issue. Yes this is a generalization, but based on my experience this generalization rings a little truer than most other generalizations I could make.


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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/7/2008 7:04:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

Actually My horse is not high at all, 
 
 I hardly expected to be roasted.
 
Though through it all, I have seen other opinions to ponder- I still do not know how to deal with it


you say you are not on a high horse however you still have yet to answer why you 'roast' what you represent...

you dont need to deal with it, it's not your life to deal with.

for someone so comfortable you sure do hide a lot and attempt to come up with these 'i'm a marter' posts when you did nothing but do it to yourself.

you critisize others and cannot take critisizim yourself... which is no ones fault but your own, stop judging others and start looking inward and just repeat to yourself.

'My way of life is no better then anyone elses'
 
and stop worring about what others do behind closed doors or what they do in public.

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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/7/2008 7:05:58 PM   
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nana doesn't need to know how you get off

my pet works with children for a living so he takes care to keep our private life private. parents can be pretty judgmental of people who interact with their kids.

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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/7/2008 7:48:16 PM   
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I simply asked, if the fear is so great, why are you here-
Perhaps because 'here' is a relatively safe space to learn, find comaraderie, and the understanding they are unable to, for whatever reason, in their life.
 
Actually My horse is not high at all, in fact not as high as many who responded
To suggest they are not ready is where the horse comes in.  You judged, before you even got any answers.
Just as you have your reasons for not telling/showing the truth about yourself, so does anyone else who chooses to remain anonymous. 
 
I am very open about who and what i am, and make no apology.  Been there, done that, got me no better treatment or reception.  But, i can appreciate that for others it is an issue.  The only time it bothers me is when there is a sub i would have liked to get to know, but needs that privacy, and even that is simply personal disappointment that it can never be.
 
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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/7/2008 8:27:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici
--I asked a simple question--to have opinions shared if My thinking was jaded, not to be crucified because I asked the question--I simply asked, if the fear is so great, why are you here--expecting a myriad of responses, reasons and opinions that would help Me see a different perspective. I hardly expected to be roasted.


But you didn't actually simply ask your question... you asked and projected your own prejudices into the question at the same time which actually showed you were more interested in those supporting your view than giving you a different prespective that may of answer your question.

you stated:
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What really annoys Me are adults who in the first five sentences say: " No one must know as I have a XXX job" OR" My friends and family must never know".
 
Last time I looked except for the exceptional few---I haven't seen people being dragged into holiday family dinner naked and at the end of a leash.  I haven't seen BDSM as a section on a job app to complete experience. And most times in public, and D/s activity or relationships are so subtle, the casual observer would never guess--We all have things at stake here, but if you are so worried, why the hell are you here?
 

It likely would of come off very different if you stated it something like this instead:

"I don't really understand why people state in their profile that "no one must know as I have a XXX job" or "my friends and family must never know."  With few exceptions, I haven't heard or seen people being dragged into holiday family dinners naked at the end of a leash, or seen BDSM as a section on a job application to complete, and most times in public D/s activity are so subtel that the casual observe would never guess.  I believe we all have things as stake, so why is being on the forums here or other lifestyle events an acceptable risk when you don't want people to know?"

alittle consideration of how a question is ask sometimes makes all the difference in the world.

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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/7/2008 8:45:35 PM   
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Just because someone is not completely out and open to everyone about being kinky or into bdsm does not mean they aren't ready for it or shouldn't be into it at all. I have no need to tell everyone I come in contact with that I enjoy getting my ass beat to major bruising or my feet worked over with canes and straps or what types of sexual acts trip my trigger.

I have nonbdsm friends who know of my interest in bdsm and I have those who don't. It's my choice who knows what about certain things in my life. My family does not know about my interest in bdsm nor do they need to know nor do I want them to know. That is my choice and my preference.

The entire world does not need to know my interests. It is my choice as I said. Someone who is more private about such interests is just as welcome as someone who is very open about it to be into it.

You (OP) say you didn't intend to come across as judgemental and yet you came across as very judgemental toward those who choose to not be as out as you claim you are. It's your choice how out you are about this just as it is everyone else's choice how out or not they are about it. It doesn't make anyone any better or worse than another because of their choice in this.

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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/7/2008 8:52:40 PM   
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I am who I am and if anyone in my life can't handle who I am, then they needn't be in my life either by their choosing if they are offended by me or by my choosing if they are offensive to me. 
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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/7/2008 9:05:59 PM   
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     What really gives me a chuckle though , is the thought of something unexpected happening to me , and what the reactions would be of the people that come in to clear out my house .  Oh my - what an interesting time they'd have !     
 


A couple of years ago, I had a fire in my apartment building.  I had to hire a professional company to pack-up and remove and clean what had remained of my stuff.  Just imagine the itemized bill. 

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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/7/2008 9:08:32 PM   
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I'm not terribly worried. Most of my family lives far enough away that it is a moot point. Some of my friends suspect - to what extent I am not really certain. I'm not in any line of work where my employment would likely be in jeopardy. The people I work for are terribly liberal - to the extent that they value diversity over competence.

I have this odd quirk. My private life is just that: private. No fear or shame or trepidation. I just enjoy my privacy. I no more would share the intimate and private details of my relationships with friends and family any more than I would want to hear the same from them.

The fact that it annoys you that others act differently from you speak volumes.

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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/7/2008 9:21:18 PM   
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I have read a few more posts on this thread and I find that there is a lot of assumption of this being apurely sexual thing.  For some it is, for others, it is an aspect of their entire way of life.  There-in may lie a difference of approach unto itself. 
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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/7/2008 9:23:35 PM   
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As far as the sexual side of it, then it really is no one's business but the people involved. As far as how one lives their life, I could never do that hidden behind closed doors. The way I live life is patterned D/s, as I have my slave live in my household, and I am very dominant in my profession. I do not hide my beliefs, and will answer questions if asked directly. My family knows my views and philosophy, and I have only a few I call friend but they know as well. I do not believe in a lot of pretense, but caution is different.

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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/8/2008 2:26:14 AM   
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Does your employer, family and friends really need to know what you get up to in your private life?


Thats exactly it.  No one really needs to know, and its no one's business but the fear among those who are closeted is that so called vanilla would make it their business if they were simply open rather than in hiding.  People are afraid of losing their jobs, losing their friends and families.  It shouldn't be anybody's business, but it seems to be everybody's business.

Remaining closeted strikes me as being a fear-based act: its driven by a fear of being rejected, a fear of hurting others and getting hurt.  As such, I really can't see that its any better than being a closet alcoholic.  There's nothing wrong with drinking.  But, there is something wrong if you feel you have to hide your drinking from people who are close to you and lie about it.

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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/8/2008 5:45:26 AM   
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you say you are not on a high horse however you still have yet to answer why you 'roast' what you represent...


I didn't roast anything, I stated that this information is shared after 3-5 sentences ina chat--I haven't condemned anything or anyone, I asked if the fear is so great, why does one dabble in the life--there was a recent post about humiliation and his difficulties coming to terms with it. I merely asked a question--yes I am comfortable in My skin, that does not mean I am better than anyone else by any means and I did not imply that. I am trying or was trying to understand how fear can still exist with family and friends (note I never mentioned jobs, etc).  I though this was a place people could seek knowledge.
 
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you dont need to deal with it, it's not your life to deal with



On the contrary, someone comes to Me and expresses that in our conversations, I cannot simply say, not My problem it becomes ours to deal with. I wanted to find out if many of the people in this life were still afraid of what family or friends would find out if they knew they chose this persuasion--and btw never once did I mention sex.

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for someone so comfortable you sure do hide a lot and attempt to come up with these 'i'm a marter' posts when you did nothing but do it to yourself. 
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You have Me mistaken with someone else, I am fairly new here to posting and I can assure you I don't post any m-a-r-t-y-r posts. And what this has to do with anything in this post, I am really hard pressed to make the link.
 
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you critisize others and cannot take critisizim yourself... which is no ones fault but your own, stop judging others and start looking inward and just repeat to yourself.


I didn't criticize, I asked a question to illicit intelligent meaningful responses--not to have My profile or character or writing ability or perceived lack of attacked. It appears that My post struck more than a few nerves.
  
From manxcat She phrased it thus:

 
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I am very open about who and what i am, and make no apology.  Been there, done that, got me no better treatment or reception.  But, i can appreciate that for others it is an issue.  The only time it bothers me is when there is a sub i would have liked to get to know, but needs that privacy, and even that is simply personal disappointment that it can never be.

 
This is where I am, and I am trying to understand those who do fear rejection or whatever and  had hoped that people would be able to share thoughts, experiences, ideas and suggestions.
 
well that went awry didn't it? My thanks for all posts, there was more value in each and everyone than you can imagine.



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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/8/2008 6:30:57 AM   
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I'm very comfortable in my skin. At the same time I don't see why I have to harm my 82 year old father by aggressively shoving this in his face? Or why when The Man quotes a tile job, why he should be bringing his sexuality up with a client?

Or, as I know I said before, why I should deliberately try to make my son lose friends by pushing my sex life at a PTA meeting? I'm not that selfish to go around harming innocent people because it makes me feel good.

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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/8/2008 6:41:29 AM   
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Thank you, I never said we should, I wanted to know mitigating factors that keep people from opening up --all these have helped, the net is, communication, understanding what factors impact a persons life and working within and with them. Tolerance and understanding are key---I see that clearly and I see how I need to grow in My perception.

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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/8/2008 6:47:35 AM   
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I am quite ready for this life.  In fact I'm immersed in it, but my friends and family can never find out because it is sexual for me and my sex life is private.  I feel no need to share what I do in private with any of them.  It's none of their business and it doesn't reflect my comfort with myself at all.  I'm very comfortable.


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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/8/2008 7:18:47 AM   
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Perhaps there are cratin aspects of life that our chosen lifestyle need not be made public.If one were a teacher or a politician or even perhaps a Doctor who is head of surgery somewhere and a lawyer for sure..i mean a lawyer loses all credibility if he or she is found out because that is society's perception of how we choose to live our lives.The OP asked a simple question and who knows,maybe through frustration she maybe worded it wrong which in turn brought dow everyone and their brothers rath.Let's face it..we are outcasts already..i think if someone asked a question here there would be a little more understanding that we are in this together.My own opinion is that if you do not open up to at least your family or some members of it,then to me it wreaks of being ashamed of not only your lifestyle but also perhaps your partner although it certainly can be said that both parties are protecting each other and family.But i can't help but think back how many of us have said at one point in their lives...it's my life and i'll live it as i damn well please......just a thought gang.

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RE: My Friends and Family Can Never Find Out - 12/8/2008 7:45:52 AM   
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But i can't help but think back how many of us have said at one point in their lives...it's my life and i'll live it as i damn well please......just a thought gang.



And isn't choosing who knows what about one's private business living one's life as one damn well pleases? Just another thought.

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