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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 12:53:09 PM

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Well, I'm not anywhere near perfect in my writing but I do try.
(Business majors aren't known for their English skills)
But, I did have a good basic education in the Massachusetts Public School system back in the days before they went "squishy."
I know how to use "they", "they're", "their", "there".
I don't use spell check because I want to keep my brain active by "proof-reading" all my posts first. If something doesn't look right I'll look it up.
They say that to be a good writer you must first be a good reader and I think that's true!
You get to know sentence (SP) structure, punctuation etc by reading a lot.
And, we have to make allowances for people with learning disabilities and the like.
They too have something to say and contribute to the conversation as fellow human beings. Think how difficult it must be for them to type a few paragraphs and count *your* blessings.
Yes, sometimes it can be painfull to read some posts but if the person (could) do better I'm sure they would.
For those of us who are comfortable writing in the English language, we should be constantly learning as we go.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 1:07:23 PM

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Well I'll come down on the side of those who are annoyed by bad grammar. The worse the grammar, the more it annoys me. Sure, English is not the mother tongue of many of the posters on here, but you can always tell the difference between an educated foreigner and an ignorant native speaker. And sure, bad grammar is not the ONLY criterion by which you can judge someone, but it is ONE criterion. I know and respect lots of people with imperfect grammar, but in the forums, the first impression you make is through the written word, and if your grammar is bad, you're not going to make a great first impression.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 3:20:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

S.. here we would say: I'm going to the store (shop).

Apparently (and in my limited knowledge of other languages) Hippies example would be the correct translation

(I hope that made sense.... I'm sleepy)

A...so much I "just manage" to know about the lovely english grammar, but my example was only how the sentence would have been put translated into word by word into my language without bothering about the grammar structure itself. And if I would tell in germany, that I am going to the shop, then we simply don't use the "am" stuff...therefore, sorry, but nope, thats where he agreed *lol*

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 3:23:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

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You are right; my example was incorrect. It was late/early and I was tired/buzzed. I meant something like "Ich bin schon ins Kaufhaus gegangen." (I probably screwed that up too. )

well, while the sentence is correct, I am puzzled about your explanation to put the 2nd verb at the end...in my opinion there...is only "one"...verb...

That's how I learned Perfect Indicative at the Goethe Institute. The past participle is "ist gegangen" yes? Sein is the helping verb, isn't it?

well, am giving you a point on here, as now you got my weakness, as I was never good in stuff like past participle and indicative and whatever. I manage to talk with you about kausalsatz and finalsatz as for that I studied a lot to get a good mark at my next grammar test at those days, but such bits and pieces are just not really my strengths. *lol* So I guess you might be right :o) Good night :o)

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 3:30:19 PM

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Gotcha, sweet lady :)

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 3:55:22 PM

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I find it very interesting how some languages would simply say in their own language:

Go, to, shop, now. if they were doing it themselves
Go, shop, now. directing someone else to do it

Seems that it is those that are native to the english language get bent out of shape, if the following is not practiced.

I am going to the shop now. have to include the singular
You are,
They are, going to the shop now. singular as a directive or plural of the intended destination

Now I am not saying that how other people speak their language in their native country. I also certainly understand the old saying, 'When in Rome do as the Romans do.' However there are certain individuals in this world that demand that others speak their language even when they are visiting with others. If they do not, they are told that they are dumb, uneducated or a moron. Has anyone ever stopped to think that they are thinking the exact same thing. Except they may be labeling someone that is making such demand as being arrogant, inflexible or just as much a moron for not even trying.
The person might just be the best damn individual as a sub/slave, but they have been judged unworthy because their grammar is not up to par with yours.
If someone is weak, is it not up to the D or M to strengthen that weakness to better serve in the capacity desired.
If someone cast me aside because of my frailties, it just tells me that the D or M can not be bothered to train, that the only thing they are interested in, is their own personal gratification with as little effort as possible.
Certainly not a D or M worthy to believed in or to become the center of my world.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 6:09:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

You are right; my example was incorrect. It was late/early and I was tired/buzzed. I meant something like "Ich bin schon ins Kaufhaus gegangen." (I probably screwed that up too. )

well, while the sentence is correct, I am puzzled about your explanation to put the 2nd verb at the end...in my opinion there...is only "one"...verb...

That's how I learned Perfect Indicative at the Goethe Institute. The past participle is "ist gegangen" yes? Sein is the helping verb, isn't it?

well, am giving you a point on here, as now you got my weakness, as I was never good in stuff like past participle and indicative and whatever. I manage to talk with you about kausalsatz and finalsatz as for that I studied a lot to get a good mark at my next grammar test at those days, but such bits and pieces are just not really my strengths. *lol* So I guess you might be right :o) Good night :o)

Well, I am hardly fluent in German. Ich muß fast immer meines Wörterbuch benützen.

That's how I learned compound verbs using haben and sein. And the modal verbs use the infinitive.

Important thing is I get my train ticket to the right place and know the difference between "Helles" and "Dunkel".

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 6:19:33 PM

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Grammar and linguistics have become quite a barrier to communication in our global community, I think if more people made an effort to be less judgmental towards other peoples skills or linguistic backgrounds there would be many more people getting along with each other an awful lot better

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 7:26:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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Being judged according to their method of communication just displays an individual's lack of flexibility in their understanding of others.

It may also show that they have an appreication for people who write well and communicate effectively. These are not bad things to be picky about.

Yes, because people get to choose who they are partnered with and perhaps one with a masters degree might not want to be with one who doesn't have the mental means to keep them engaged.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/2/2009 1:00:31 AM

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meines Wörterbuch

"mein Wörterbuch" - my dictionary
and "das Wörterbuch meines Freundes" - the dictionary of my friend

I think..lol....

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/2/2009 10:36:23 AM

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Fast Reply -
i know personally, i automatically pick up on grammar and spelling errors, but i'm an editor so that's the way my brain is trained, have to read everything twice, first time for errors, second time to actually read the words. However, as much as i detest those errors, i would never point out someone else's mistakes time and time again, thats cruel, especially the situation the OP was describing, thats a language handicap, they know they have an issue with it, don't need everyone to point it out to them.

edited to add...

as my mother used to say.... if you don't have anything nice to say...then shut it

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/2/2009 11:53:08 AM

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Consequently, the forums should be a safe space for everyone.

You can search high and low for a 'safe space', but you'll come up short. I'm not terribly interested in the supermarket label; content is far more useful. It's fair to say, however, that you're treading a well worn path and that renders your post not particularly useful.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/2/2009 12:01:56 PM

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English is a ridiculous language

That's the beauty of the English: utterly ridiculous yet irresistible. I mean.....common law, banking systems, industrial revolution, language, literature, team sports, rule of law and tolerance, limited monarchy etc etc. I'm scratching my head here wondering where the principle of 'give and take' lost its way........a croissant is hardly a fair exchange.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/2/2009 12:05:23 PM

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I know and respect lots of people with imperfect grammar, but in the forums, the first impression you make is through the written word, and if your grammar is bad, you're not going to make a great first impression.

Only where you value grammar, LaM.

I couldn't care less providing something interesting is being put forward. I'll take creative thinking over following the rules.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/2/2009 12:38:34 PM

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I'm a former English teacher, with a Master's degree in English.

I am also irritated by extreme grammatical, syntax, and/or spelling errors that I read online. However, I also suck at math, and if someone were to point a gun at my forehead and demand that I add 2 and 2, I'd likely end up being shot.

To read a post that is inundated with bad grammar and spelling can be irritating, but I'd guess that the poster's main intent is to get advice, not to come across as an English major. I do think, however, that one's PROFILE should be scrubbed and edited so that there are very few, if any, errors. After all, the purpose of the profile is to make a good impression, and having correct spelling and grammar goes a long way towards that...kind of like taking a shower before going on a date.

I also think that for people to lambast someone for using poor grammar or spelling is the height of rudeness, whether in person or online. (Not to mention that it can backfire on the person doing the lambasting.)

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/2/2009 1:03:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

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meines Wörterbuch

"mein Wörterbuch" - my dictionary
and "das Wörterbuch meines Freundes" - the dictionary of my friend

I think..lol....

Na ja, du bist richtig.

I don't know why I used the genitive ending. I think I was thinking that meines was Accusative. See what I mean? I'm forgetting everything!

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/2/2009 1:08:14 PM

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I live near the German border...so it is a little more eassy for me perhaps ;)

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/2/2009 1:47:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae
Does it matter really since all the sub/slave has to do in their replies is say: Yes or No to their dominant and no when to moan in acceptance.

Many Dominants seek a slave or submissive with a brain. There are times when Daddy requires of me, only a "yes" or "no" answer to a question, but those times are far overshadowed by him expecting an intelligent, enlightened, and thoughtful answer to his query.

Aszhrae, I think you've boxed us all in to how YOU think a sub/slave, Dom/Domme should act. You always seem so negative and angry in your replies. Maybe if you could accept that we all don't play/think like you, you might not find yourself being 'rubbed the wrong way' quite so often.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/2/2009 1:56:43 PM

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Its not that I am a horribly bad speller, its that between my brain and my hand that signals get crossed and either transpose a word, or replace it entirely with one that has nothing to do with the sentance, correctly spelled mind you.

I could care less if its irriates people, they are more than welcome to skip my posts.

And I do have a disclimer on my sig line.

Up until recently I couldnt get IEspell to work on vista but managed to get it to finally recognise it. If Im doing a serious post I will try and run it. If Im in random all bets are off.

I feel Im not the person I am due to my spelling and grammer, which I used to be good at, but mental disorders have wrecked havoc on my brain.But if people can see past that oh well, no loss to me

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/2/2009 1:57:43 PM

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Gotcha, sweet lady :)

Phew...thank you

(already got worried to have forgotten how I would say it in my mother tongue

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However there are certain individuals in this world that demand that others speak their language even when they are visiting with others. If they do not, they are told that they are dumb, uneducated or a moron. Has anyone ever stopped to think that they are thinking the exact same thing. Except they may be labeling someone that is making such demand as being arrogant, inflexible or just as much a moron for not even trying.
The person might just be the best damn individual as a sub/slave, but they have been judged unworthy because their grammar is not up to par with yours.
If someone is weak, is it not up to the D or M to strengthen that weakness to better serve in the capacity desired.
If someone cast me aside because of my frailties, it just tells me that the D or M can not be bothered to train, that the only thing they are interested in, is their own personal gratification with as little effort as possible.
Certainly not a D or M worthy to believed in or to become the center of my world.

That's a very good point you are making here

And personally I would not be interested to be with someone who makes an issue out of it anyway as I know quite a few people from a previous employer in UK who made an issue out of it but can't speak any other language themselves...so who are they to judge

. I am happy to improve it, but I also need time for it and the right support for it, for example improvement with the help from a native. Now, time I don't have in this country due to the immense costs I have to cover per month and native speakers are additionally pretty rare at my work (I guess 1:100 might be the statistics at my employer who is a native speaker). Therefore....maybe I find time this summer to have another look at it...but the chances are slim and as mentioned earlier, it is pretty low on my priority list right now.

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Important thing is I get my train ticket to the right place and know the difference between "Helles" and "Dunkel".

LOL, I suppose that should be sufficient for you to get your way through

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