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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 7:36:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: I hold myself to the same grammatical standards that I hold anyone and everyone else.)

 
Does that mean you'd want someone to let you know that your post and spelling insert are riddled with misspellings? 


That post was height of irony, wasn't it?

Here in the forums it's not that big of a deal to me. There are a few posters whose threads I will skip simply because I know the post will look like Scrabble tiles just dumped out on a table. If the post is so bad that it does not look like my native language I'll just pass it by. Having said that, excellent writing skills always impress me more than poor writing skills.

If I were looking here on CM and corresponding with people I might like to meet that would be another issue entirely. That bar is much higher.



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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 7:36:35 AM   
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While I can at times irritate people to no end by using my Texas draw and many of the phrases common to what we Texans refer to as English, I can also speak very proper English.

I have no accent unless I want to, and to be honest I can mimic the Irish, Scot and English accents quite well when I want to.

As for spelling, I am admittedly spelling impaired, so I do use a spell checker on my browser and word processor programs.


But.....

There are times when I done did decided agin using gooder spellin, jus so I can piss educated critters off. 

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 7:39:38 AM   
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Here's an interesting tagline I saw once that pretty much covers this topic:

"Grammar is like showering.  Anyone can do it but those who don't seem to be the ones who get offended that it makes a difference."

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 8:05:44 AM   
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I know I make a few grammatical errors on here now and then.
 
So what?

Often I am typing fast, I am almost always multi-tasking when I am online.

I am not typing research papers on here, I am posting my thoughts, as long as my posts are legible, I am fine with that.

This is a free BDSM website, not a discussion forum for proof-readers or budding grammarian's.

I don't mind a few error's, as long as I can understand what the person is trying to say.
 
As many have pointed out, those that complain and bitch about the grammatical error's, MAKE error's.
If I am going to bitch about other people's grammar, mine needs to damn near be perfect, ALWAYS!---set the bar high for YOURSELF, and leave the rest of us alone.
 
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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 8:14:39 AM   
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Well true. If you see some grammer (in Dutch) I hardly recoqnize it anymore.
But the problem is people beeing judged alone on grammar. Sometimes making them even look less then others.
We don't check their cooking skills , their math skills. So in general you have to know one trade online..grammar..and you look perfect ;)

yes it was a great..long night...I wish you a lovely new year too. :)
You make very good points. For a while, after I took German, I would capitalize Nouns. English used to do that. Sometimes I will think, "I am to the store going" because in German the second verb is at the end of the sentence or clause.

I understand how Ausländer make mistakes. Native speakers, however, have no such excuse.

I understand dyslexia, learning disabilities, low intelligence, intoxication, etc.  But the typical American should not be continually making simple mistakes. Or has "No Child Left Behind" really done that much damage to education? 

Oh, the horror. The whole country reduced to the level of Shrub. Gak!


"But the typical American should not be continually making the simple mistakes"....tell me about the "typical" American, please.  Do you think it fair to categorize Americans as dumb, or are you making a sweeping generality about oneof the most productive peoples on the planet based solely on the shappy treatment of the english language or inability to use "spellcheck"?  
With respect to the "no child left behind" program, it has both positives and negatives.  Certainly, it can be improved but on the positive side, educators can no longer ignore or "write off" those students who were previously referred to as "unmotivated," "slow," or "problem" students. The law has forced a constant review of the effectiveness of programs and methods, and the inclusion of interventions that address learning disabilities and teaching weaknesses. Other pluses include the emphasis on professional development to enhance teachers' skills, increased contact with parents, and increased parental involvement. Certainly, there are negatives as well but do you know of any federal program does does not have negatives or have room for improvement.  The important thing is that steps to measure the quality of elementary education are being taken and the teachers union that has done so much to diminish the quality of elementary education in the country doesn't like the checks....for obvious reasons.  The education system on the local, state and federal levels is run by bureaucrats more interested in their salaries, creating numerous and wasteful levels of management and, de facto, denying these funds for their real purpose, the education of children.  While I don't think Obama is ready for the presidency of the country, I do like his rhetoric with respect to education.  Now it remains to be seen if he can do more than make speeches.


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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 8:39:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

However...

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For a while, after I took German, I would capitalize Nouns. English used to do that. Sometimes I will think, "I am to the store going" because in German the second verb is at the end of the sentence or clause.


whilst we do capitalize our lovely nouns I am either not getting what your first verb is meant to be in this sentence (when we germans, according to you, put the second verb at the end of the sentence...which I never thought about so far) or you are wrong  Because if I translate your sentence into my language german, then I say "I go to the shop."
You are right; my example was incorrect. It was late/early and I was tired/buzzed.  I meant something like "Ich bin schon ins Kaufhaus gegangen." (I probably screwed that up too. )

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 8:40:50 AM   
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I see...I thought you meant "Ich gehe zum Laden"

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 8:42:47 AM   
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You are right; my example was incorrect. It was late/early and I was tired/buzzed.  I meant something like "Ich bin schon ins Kaufhaus gegangen." (I probably screwed that up too. )


well, while the sentence is correct, I am puzzled about your explanation to put the 2nd verb at the end...in my opinion there...is only "one"...verb...

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 8:45:31 AM   
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S.. here we would say: I'm going to the store (shop).

Apparently (and in my limited knowledge of other languages) Hippies example would be the correct translation

(I hope that made sense.... I'm sleepy)

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 8:45:55 AM   
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We are judged by the way we present ourselves, whether in person or "on net." 

Spelling and grammar ARE important.  The quality of our communication is directly related to the quality of our communication.   We don't have body language in a discussion forum to help us decode what someone means.  We only have their words and the manner in which they are presented.   Grammar and spelling are the "body language" of the written word.

There are a variety of programs and browser add-ons available to help people with these issues.  IE Spell, for example, can check your basic spelling.   Other ways include writing the original in WORD or some such program, as mentioned by Orion above,  using WORD to tweak your words before your post them.

Does that mean I won't read someone's post because it isn't properly composed?  No.  But it does that mean they have to work harder to convince me that their words are as thoughtful as someone who has a post that doesn't bring up squiggly red and green lines all over the page.

Of course, I am a bit biased.   I teach at a university and I expect quality communication from my students, as they expect me to communicate effectively with them about the topics in my class.  The university does provide a writing center to help them sharpen their skills, though it is a shame that they didn't get the skills they needed in high school. 



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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 8:48:09 AM   
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I know I make a few grammatical errors on here now and then.
 
So what?

Often I am typing fast, I am almost always multi-tasking when I am online.

I am not typing research papers on here, I am posting my thoughts, as long as my posts are legible, I am fine with that.

This is a free BDSM website, not a discussion forum for proof-readers or budding grammarian's.

I don't mind a few error's, as long as I can understand what the person is trying to say.
 
As many have pointed out, those that complain and bitch about the grammatical error's, MAKE error's.
If I am going to bitch about other people's grammar, mine needs to damn near be perfect, ALWAYS!---set the bar high for YOURSELF, and leave the rest of us alone.
 
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you said it. I easily understand your posts.   I will edit mine if the whole gist is substantially wrong from what I intended.

What bugs me is time waster stuff.  phone menus, and the hyper distraction of todays world. to have someones undivided attention for 10 whole minutes is rare.

even if that person phones you... call waiting, "hold on", another person in the back ground; get interested in radio or tv, just in time for the commercial.  subscribe to a magazine,  one can barely locate the articles.

heck- get gas, one ,must look at ads,  grocery carts have ads on them, and even the shopping bag and reciept.   try to pay a bill, well finding it is a distractable event.  all the promo crap.
each grain take a second from the other... until no one has quite a grain all of their own.

spam filter on email still misses viagra, grow the dick refi and the fortune you could help launder out of that country.

then there is stupid chat bots online that replace customer service.

...and those codes one has to type in all the time which I only deciphe 1/2 the time.

are you sure you dont want to buy me.   I think you said, spend money.  connecting you to shopping for more.

with all the automation, we sure the heck (recession) wont put receptionists oout of work.   as mom said, 'why do we have to do their work".


the modern world is all about distraction.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 8:51:49 AM   
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I love to be distracted sometimes, and I am almost always doing several things
when I am online.

I realize everyone can't type, listen to t.v. and be on the phone at the same time.
I see some poor bastards, sitting somewhere worrying about every damn word they type.

Bless their hearts! I ain't doing it.
I aim to misbehave! 

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 8:57:46 AM   
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You are right; my example was incorrect. It was late/early and I was tired/buzzed.  I meant something like "Ich bin schon ins Kaufhaus gegangen." (I probably screwed that up too. )


well, while the sentence is correct, I am puzzled about your explanation to put the 2nd verb at the end...in my opinion there...is only "one"...verb...
That's how I learned Perfect Indicative at the Goethe Institute. The past participle is "ist gegangen" yes? Sein is the helping verb, isn't it?  

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 9:02:37 AM   
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Khalya, truly, it says much more about the attacker than the attacked.

I look for content. If it's there, that's good enough for me. I'll admit to having my own bias on the subject. My brother is a non-verbal CP (spastic quadriplegic) and he types with a stick attached to a band around his forehead. It's painstaking for him to type out emails and such so spelling errors, errors in grammar, pshaw.. no biggie to me. I'm quite used to it from reading his emails. I keep the font turned up so I can see it and I don't get headaches. The only thing that really irks me is weird or oddly colored fonts against non-contrasting backgrounds and slashy speak. Those are, literally, painful to read and can give me headaches so I tend to avoid those sorts of posts for the most part. I don't spend my time bashing on the people that have chosen to utilize those styles though. It's a waste of my time and I have much better things to do with that particular commodity!

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 9:09:24 AM   
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I tried to learn to speak Dutch...

I managed a few phrases (which I'm beginning to forget for lack of use).  I'm going to try French, since I took it in school.

What amazes me is people who learn English as a second language and can put together coherent sentences (such as you, Darkness), given the vast differences in grammatical structure.. I've had several people say that English is a difficult language to learn for just that reason.


And yet, I do quite well with English(my first language) but have really had a difficult time learning others. I took hebrew as a kid and I am the only one of my sisters who cant speak it. Also french in high school. I kept comparing the words to English words. *Sigh* I would love to speak Spanish and french.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 9:25:14 AM   
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~fast reply~

i dont capitalize things, especially if i have to hit the shift key right handed.  i dont tend to use commas like i should either, and *both* for the same reason.

i broke my  right wrist and it wasnt set properly.  i cant feel the last 2 fingers on my right hand and cant always find those keys "blind".  especially with the new notebook wee little computer that has smaller keys.

i do realize its annoying to some people, and well...my writing is still fairly readable for content because i DO take the time to try to spell things correctly (although i do have a few words i cannot spell correctly on an ongoing basis, like "resturant").

TheEngineer cannot spell very well.  he's also very bright and damn near invincible in the maths department.  he sits behind me in our office and asks me how to spell things.    and he has his master's and would have his doctorate if he hadnt had issues with his professor changing his dissertation topic 4 different times.  *shrugs*

i dont think its so much an issue to me that someone cannot spell/punctuate/parse a sentence correctly.  when they wont take the time to spell out words, and use shortcuts like "u 4 lunch today?"  when they arent in a fast moving chatroom or trying to save character spaces in a text message?  *that* bothers me.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 9:31:38 AM   
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I am a spelling snob. It says so in my profile. However, it makes no difference whatsoever. I still get poorly spelled introductions that read like a foreign language. When I mention it--they then begin the insults and sulking. After all, a lowly switch pointed it out to them.

So, when I am in a mood--I enjoy poking them with a stick.

I do have a learning disability. I've used the paperwork documenting it throughout every degree I have earned. However, it does not give me an excuse for poor spelling and grammar. Learning disabilities are not always about dyslexia --they can be about vision and comprehension.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 9:34:46 AM   
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Its all about moderation. Im dyslexic but I work hard to make sure that what I write is at least readable. I do make mistakes but oh well. I dont spell check everything because I really cant be bothered. However and this is probably totally hypocrtical of me but when someone has mispelled every other word or just written one long sentence or wrote in text speak I get mad. I think it is because I know how hard I try to make sense and I really cant see an excuse for not doing it. My recent ex was the worlds worst speller, he said 'oh but im dyslexic' yeah well so am I. He would start deep messages on political topics that were virtually unreadable. People would then ignore his point no matter how good it was to insult his spelling. Now they deserve no slack either because it was pretty obvious he was dyslexic not thick but he knew how bad it was and couldnt be arsed to at least proof read his messages. Thats all it boiled down to a 'cant be arsed' attitude (that in fact penitrated our entire relationship)

So I think people should at least try, and people without learning disabilities or word blindness should cut people a bit of slack. encouragement is fine but if you just slag them off chances are it will dent their confidence.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 12:10:32 PM   
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No one is perfect and so many people expect perfection in someone's ability to communicate. I certainly would not expect everyone to have the same communication skills or expect to understand me when I am communicating my ideas in non-linear fashion. It took mistress a long time to understand how I think and communicate my ideas.
Some expect others to speak in a linear fashion just like they do. Some can, some had to learn and some don't.
Does it matter really since all the sub/slave has to do in their replies is say: Yes or No to their dominant and no when to moan in acceptance.
Not everyone excelled in academia in school.
Some actually excelled in technical, which isn't always thinking linear because most technical-minded individuals have learned to think in multiple dimensions and acknowledge pattern or visual. Even artists tend to not think linear. Even their ideas require a little time in explaining. Painting pictures with words is non-linear.
I find in personal experience, linear thinkers want something done now (not in the order of most importance) or they want things done yesterday (instant gratification).
This thread is not so much about grammar as it is about the ability to communicate other people's thoughts.
Some just communicate their thoughts differently.
Being judged according to their method of communication just displays an individual's lack of flexibility in their understanding of others.



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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 12:16:35 PM   
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Being judged according to their method of communication just displays an individual's lack of flexibility in their understanding of others.


It may also show that they have an appreication for people who write well and communicate effectively.  These are not bad things to be picky about.


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