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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

MM now the native Americans are profiting form our misery. 95% of the casinos are Indian owner.  If you read history you will find it was the British who taught the Indians how to scalp people. That would not work today because bald is beautiful.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
Wow. Just wow.

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar
MM now the native Americans are profiting form our misery. 95% of the casinos are Indian owner.  If you read history you will find it was the British who taught the Indians how to scalp people. That would not work today because bald is beautiful.

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

MM now the native Americans are profiting form our misery. 95% of the casinos are Indian owner.  If you read history you will find it was the British who taught the Indians how to scalp people. That would not work today because bald is beautiful.

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ORIGINAL: subm4maam

I guess I can jump in here on this one. A lot of states won't let you use deadly force in order to only protect property, unless that person has entered your home. Oklahoma for instance, if I have someone trespassing outside I cannot use deadly force in order to preserve my property. Under Castle Doctrine however, the law says that if someone enters your residence in order to commit a crime, you have an immediate fear for your safety and life, and are allowed to pull the trigger under the protection of the law, even if said intruder is unarmed. Now, to answer the question,

Would I use deadly force to protect my property? Absolutely, in any situation that the law would allow me to do so. If someone breaks into my home, they better hope I'm not here or they will be getting a lead welcoming party. I actually wish the law applied to the outside of the home, and my vehicle when I'm not inside of it. It's MY property. I wake up in the mornings, go to work, earn my paycheck and buy what I have with the money that I earned. I'll be damned if I'm going to "value" the life of someone that tries to take that away from me. Harsh? Possibly, but if a few more people took the life of a few more scumbags that tried to steal from them, maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't have quite so many scumbags out there that show no respect to those that have what they have because they have earned it.

Thats kind of a sore subject for me....

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

As far as fast food outlets go. You have a choice to do something about it. It is called learning to cook.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

edited to add.......and that makes about as much sense as the rest of this thread!!

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...a few more years and we'll be able to carry six shooters on our hip and have gunfights on Main Street....

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

I am pretty sure that if you use deadly force to stop a crime that isn't life threatening....ie, stealing your lawn mower or car, you could do more time than the thief....even in Georgia. "Deadly force is generally limited to protection of life and limb, but exceptions are written for the home, auto and business. In those places, deadly force can be used to prevent a felony or if entry is made in a "violent and tumultuous manner." Of course here in our great state they are trying to expand it to include your car etc....a few more years and we'll be able to carry six shooters on our hip and have gunfights on Main Street....

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ORIGINAL: GrizzlyBear

For 15 years I taught gun safety, marksmanship, and lawful use of deadly force to civilians who wanted a concealed carry permit in my home state of Montana. I carried a gun daily for most of that time.

Laws differ from state to state as to the circumstances where use of deadly force is permissible, and if you keep or carry a deadly weapon you had better know the law in your state, or any other state where you might also carry it. 

Only a few states permit use of deadly force to protect property outside the home or place of business.  I believe Texas is one of them.  Some states require that even in your own home you may not use deadly force if you are able to retreat.  Massachusetts and New Jersey have such laws.

In the majority of states including mine, you are allowed to use deadly force only to prevent the commission of a forcible felony (defined as murder, rape, aggravated assault, or armed robbery) , or burglary or arson upon an occupied structure. Sometimes this is limited to such crimes being against  the person of someone who you have a lawful duty to protect.  Find out the law in YOUR state.  Find out how the prosecutors interpret it. 

I would recommend that you talk to a criminal defense attorney, give him a retainer, and get his opinion about those laws, if you keep loaded guns for self defense, like I do.  If he has taken a retainer, he will be much more receptive when you call him from the police station after your arrest.

It is very important to note that use of deadly force is not the same as kill.  The important thing is intent - a lawful use of force is intended to stop a felony. You shoot to stop, not to kill.  If excessive force is used after the felony has been stopped, there will be way more than a 15 yard penalty for a late hit out of bounds. 

If it can be shown in court that you possessed premeditated intent to kill anyone who broke into your house, what was an otherwise justified shooting may become the subject of a murder prosecution.  It is therefore not a real good idea to state in a public forum like this one that anyone who comes into your house is dead.  Hint: if they fall down, or turn and run, the threat has ended so stop shooting.  If you empty the clip into them, or walk up and put a finisher between the eyes, its not going to look good at your trials.

There will probably be two, one for criminal charges, and one for the civil suit.  Even if you beat the criminal charges, you will almost always be sued, and it is much easier to lose a civil trial than a criminal one.  Ask OJ.  Actually, there will be three, if you count the one that will take place in the media, where you will most likely be labeled as a trigger-happy killer.

By far the best bet is to not be in a situation where the need to use deadly force arises.  Stay away from places where violent criminals are likely to be such as biker bars, late night stop-and-robs, or the really bad parts of town.  Keep your car doors locked.  Make your house hard to break into. Most especially, keep the doors locked  You are much less likely to be arrested if the unarmed drunk teenager you just shot broke down the door, than if he just walked through it.because it was unlocked.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I am going to guess you voted McCain/Palin........