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secretmaster22 -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 9:38:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: secretmaster22
Good point.  A blow job or stroking a man's cock is more submissive to me than sex itself, only because there is no enjoyment in it for you other than the simple enjoyment of pleasuring me.

Do you really think that?  Because that's false on a lot of levels.


How can an opinion be false on any level?



colouredin -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 9:42:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: secretmaster22

How can an opinion be false on any level?



In my opinion all men are green with red spots (see an opinion can be wrong)



Amaros -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 9:43:59 AM)

I don't really think of any particular act as submissive, it's more of an attitude: superficially, it's ritual, deeper than that, it's a sublimation of will, to become one will, a dyad, two units that act as one, a whole that is greater than the sum of it's parts.

Even without all the mysto stuff, it's exclusivity, the wedding ring signifies that you are taken, your, under somebodies wing, taken, not fair game, protected, committed - the collar signifies the same thing, you have combined your destinies, the rest is making it work for you as a dyad, even if it's just for the duration of a scene.

It's about what gives you that warm tingle in your belly, or that cold chill down your spine, what make you feel full - or empty, as the case may be.



secretmaster22 -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 9:49:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

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ORIGINAL: secretmaster22

How can an opinion be false on any level?



In my opinion all men are green with red spots (see an opinion can be wrong)


Then you would be stating a fact as an opinion which is different.  What I find more submissive is not something that can be proven one way or another thus it is an opinion.



marie2 -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 9:49:45 AM)



It depends on the female and the circumstances.  There are times when I enjoy it and other times when I am doing it to be pleasing or obedient, even if I'm not in the mood.  Then some women just dislike sucking cock, period.  And some get sexual pleasure from it.  So I don't think it can be stated that either is true or false across the board.



nafakcha -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 9:49:49 AM)


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This thread went downhill in a hurry - could we get back to why women like giving blowjobs? I'm always happy to reciprocate, I just consider oral more foreplay than anything.




Why do I like it...I enjoy pleasing Him, I enjoy the challenge of whatever the circumstances are, and the uniqueness of taste, texture, dimensions etc. The fact that everyone is unique. It can be quite sexually gratifying for me. Of course the fact He enjoys it, He wants it and it makes Him happy has a huge role too.

Blowjobs can be great foreplay or they can be an act in and of themselves. All depends on the situation and desires of those involved.

Keiko


Good point. A blow job or stroking a man's cock is more submissive to me than sex itself, only because there is no enjoyment in it for you other than the simple enjoyment of pleasuring me.




Respectfully, I think that whether someone enjoys giving head is unique to that individual. Some people love giving head and some hate it. There are people who find giving head in and of itself sexually gratifying (even outside the D/s dynamic.) In a D/s dynamic the act of pleasing one's dominant can be quite gratifying, including sexually. While one is giving head you may only obviously be gratifying one person it doesn't necessarily mean that the other party isn't getting something either.

Keiko



marie2 -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 9:52:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: secretmaster22

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

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ORIGINAL: secretmaster22

How can an opinion be false on any level?



In my opinion all men are green with red spots (see an opinion can be wrong)


Then you would be stating a fact as an opinion which is different.  What I find more submissive is not something that can be proven one way or another thus it is an opinion.



I agree with Abs, here.  If he interprets and processes the act with his partner as one of submissiveness, and his partner isn't getting sexual pleasure from it, and he likes that, then who is to say it's false?



secretmaster22 -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 9:53:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: nafakcha


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ORIGINAL: secretmaster22

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

This thread went downhill in a hurry - could we get back to why women like giving blowjobs? I'm always happy to reciprocate, I just consider oral more foreplay than anything.




Why do I like it...I enjoy pleasing Him, I enjoy the challenge of whatever the circumstances are, and the uniqueness of taste, texture, dimensions etc. The fact that everyone is unique. It can be quite sexually gratifying for me. Of course the fact He enjoys it, He wants it and it makes Him happy has a huge role too.

Blowjobs can be great foreplay or they can be an act in and of themselves. All depends on the situation and desires of those involved.

Keiko


Good point. A blow job or stroking a man's cock is more submissive to me than sex itself, only because there is no enjoyment in it for you other than the simple enjoyment of pleasuring me.




Respectfully, I think that whether someone enjoys giving head is unique to that individual. Some people love giving head and some hate it. There are people who find giving head in and of itself sexually gratifying (even outside the D/s dynamic.) In a D/s dynamic the act of pleasing one's dominant can be quite gratifying, including sexually. While one is giving head you may only obviously be gratifying one person it doesn't necessarily mean that the other party isn't getting something either.

Keiko


But you still can't deny that the enjoyment either sexually or otherwise that someone receives from it has much more to do with the enjoyment of pleasing another rather than actually physical stimulation. 



Amaros -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 10:01:10 AM)

Subjective vs. objective truth.

To me, the D/s dynamic transcends the act of sex itself, the act signifies the dominance or submission, but which act or acts that may that may be can be... subjective.

For me, D/s is about who's plan we're following, the relationship is about knowing you have my back, and I have yours.

i.e., it's really not about my dick, it's about my life, with her - although I do have this chronic prostratitis thing...



Amaros -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 10:02:22 AM)

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But you still can't deny that the enjoyment either sexually or otherwise that someone receives from it has much more to do with the enjoyment of pleasing another rather than actually physical stimulation.
That sounds like an opinion.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 10:03:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: secretmaster22
Good point.  A blow job or stroking a man's cock is more submissive to me than sex itself, only because there is no enjoyment in it for you other than the simple enjoyment of pleasuring me.
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Do you really think that?  Because that's false on a lot of levels.


How can an opinion be false on any level?

Well I can understand that to you, when you stroke a mans cock it is more submissive to you than having sex with him. 

But if you presume no one has any enjoyment in stroking cocks other than "pleasuring you" then you would be wrong.  Perhaps that is the only pleasure men and women you choose as cock suckers get.



marie2 -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 10:25:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

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But you still can't deny that the enjoyment either sexually or otherwise that someone receives from it has much more to do with the enjoyment of pleasing another rather than actually physical stimulation.
That sounds like an opinion.


This reminds me a lot of the topic that comes up once a week here:  "Is it a submissive act when a Dom goes down on his sub"

Some think it is, some think it isn't.  I agree it's a subjective thing, but I also see where Secret is coming from in a sense.  Whether dom or sub, whether sucking cock or going down on a female, I think (but I'm not speaking for all people) that most of us when performing oral sex, are focused mainly upon the pleasure and sexual stimulation of the receiving partner.  This isn't to say that the "giving" partner isn't necessarily enjoying it on some level, but aren't most of us concentrating on getting our partner off sexually (rather than ourselves) when we're giving them oral?



Amaros -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 10:31:06 AM)

I enjoy the sensations of cunnilingus, there is some tactile pleasure involved - after all, we enjoy the taste and texture of food, we don't eat just to stay alive - is French kissing submissive? Do you do it just to please your partner? For me, oral is a lot like kissing, which is not to say that the fact that your partner is enjoying it too doesn't enhance the pleasure.



nafakcha -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 10:39:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: secretmaster22

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ORIGINAL: nafakcha


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ORIGINAL: secretmaster22

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ORIGINAL: nafakcha


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ORIGINAL: Amaros

This thread went downhill in a hurry - could we get back to why women like giving blowjobs? I'm always happy to reciprocate, I just consider oral more foreplay than anything.




Why do I like it...I enjoy pleasing Him, I enjoy the challenge of whatever the circumstances are, and the uniqueness of taste, texture, dimensions etc. The fact that everyone is unique. It can be quite sexually gratifying for me. Of course the fact He enjoys it, He wants it and it makes Him happy has a huge role too.

Blowjobs can be great foreplay or they can be an act in and of themselves. All depends on the situation and desires of those involved.

Keiko


Good point. A blow job or stroking a man's cock is more submissive to me than sex itself, only because there is no enjoyment in it for you other than the simple enjoyment of pleasuring me.




Respectfully, I think that whether someone enjoys giving head is unique to that individual. Some people love giving head and some hate it. There are people who find giving head in and of itself sexually gratifying (even outside the D/s dynamic.) In a D/s dynamic the act of pleasing one's dominant can be quite gratifying, including sexually. While one is giving head you may only obviously be gratifying one person it doesn't necessarily mean that the other party isn't getting something either.

Keiko


But you still can't deny that the enjoyment either sexually or otherwise that someone receives from it has much more to do with the enjoyment of pleasing another rather than actually physical stimulation. 



Personally, probably not but I am a submissive and get pleasure from pleasing You. However, I know people who aren't submissive and they get sexual pleasure from giving head and it has very little to do with pleasing the other person.

Keiko



Amaros -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 11:06:52 AM)

Sounds like a match made in heaven.

I just wonder if the reason I have a hard time orgasming from oral is because the women were trying to prove something, reducing it to a mechanical act - maybe if she were really into it, I'd get off on that. It's all in your head.



Amaros -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 11:10:16 AM)

i.e., oral is categorically a more intimate thing, like kissing, it isn't a procreative act, no other animal does it, unless they do it to themselves.



secretmaster22 -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 4:44:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marie2

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

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But you still can't deny that the enjoyment either sexually or otherwise that someone receives from it has much more to do with the enjoyment of pleasing another rather than actually physical stimulation.
That sounds like an opinion.


This reminds me a lot of the topic that comes up once a week here:  "Is it a submissive act when a Dom goes down on his sub"

Some think it is, some think it isn't.  I agree it's a subjective thing, but I also see where Secret is coming from in a sense.  Whether dom or sub, whether sucking cock or going down on a female, I think (but I'm not speaking for all people) that most of us when performing oral sex, are focused mainly upon the pleasure and sexual stimulation of the receiving partner.  This isn't to say that the "giving" partner isn't necessarily enjoying it on some level, but aren't most of us concentrating on getting our partner off sexually (rather than ourselves) when we're giving them oral?


As a dominate I would have to say that just because I get enjoyment from pleasing my submissive doesn't make it a submissive act.  I'm sure it depends entirely on the dominate and what he desires.  Certainly some doms could see oral as a dominate thing because it gives them control over the person in some way.  I can control what I do with my tongue, how much I tease her, the things I want her to feel. 

So let me ask you a question since we are debating the topic.  Let's say a guy has the ability to get hard, but has no ability to feel anything you are doing to his cock.  Would you at all enjoy giving him head??  If so then I am way off base.  But my guess would be that it would be rather unenjoyable for pretty much anybody.  Having said that, it would mean that the sexual gratification you receive from it would be strictly in the mind, and flowing to the body, and completely based on the idea of pleasuring another.  I've never sucked a cock so I won't presume i am right.  Please feel free to tell me otherwise, cause now I'm curious.



secretmaster22 -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 4:47:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: secretmaster22
Good point.  A blow job or stroking a man's cock is more submissive to me than sex itself, only because there is no enjoyment in it for you other than the simple enjoyment of pleasuring me.
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Do you really think that?  Because that's false on a lot of levels.


How can an opinion be false on any level?

Well I can understand that to you, when you stroke a mans cock it is more submissive to you than having sex with him. 

But if you presume no one has any enjoyment in stroking cocks other than "pleasuring you" then you would be wrong.  Perhaps that is the only pleasure men and women you choose as cock suckers get.


Ummmm, when did I start sucking cock in all of this? 



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 5:12:01 PM)

I dunno, you said "blow job or stroking a mans cock is more submissive to me than sex" so I figured you knew firsthand what giving a blow job to a mans cock is like.



Gwynvyd -> RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? (1/21/2009 5:15:02 PM)

This has prob. already been answered as I am about to.. but I just quick replied.

God gave man a leash by which us women, and so inclined males could lead and control the male population.
God also created man with a link from the stomach straight to the heart. Hell, this was the main reason why most young women were taught to cook a generation or two back. To "catch" a "Good Husband".

Manage a mans cock, and his stomach well..... and you will own his heart most of the time.. or at least make it so damn comfortable and convient he will not bother to go else where.

As my mama used to say.... "Men are like wood flooring, lay them right the first time and you can walk on them for 30 years."

Mind you I am in no way a female supreamist... I just understand the workings of males. Tis one of the reasons why I chose females for my closest partners. It takes more then a steak dinner and a damn fine blowjob to win their hearts. Ya gotta really work on it.

Gwyn



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