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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 7:38:41 AM   
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And also with you.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 7:44:06 AM   
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Nowadays it's 24/7 consumption and the multi-faith society means no day of the week is any more sacred than another. Sad in some ways because it used to be a day when you weren't obliged to work and everyone was in the same boat and so didn't have to compete for jobs. Ah those were the days.



I know what you mean.

Even Holidays have lost their meaning.  I remember as a child my Dad filling up the car early on Christmas Eve because nothing would be open late in the day or on Christmas.  Now it's almost like every other day.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 7:53:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm no where opens around here at christmas we have to stockpile milk for the two days that the supermarket shuts

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 7:58:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, so far of the regular British posters not one of us has said we want guns back in private ownership, so that being so, what does it say about us, fatalistic or realistic?

Come on you are going to die some day, that is certain, and not one of us can foretell the future. The fact is, life is hanging on a thread,even more so as we advance our technology anything can go wrong far more common things than someone pointing a gun at you, it is a fact of life, and I think the Brits accept that fact. We see in the news, people get shot and killed, but it is still a rare occurrence, so perhaps tooling up with a plethora of guns is really not a option and of course we all know our media is often guilty of sexing up a story to sell papers.

So, if Britain is realistic, what does it say about other countries that tote guns as personal protection, a lawless society or paranoia ? Are you in fact in your acceptance of guns perpetuating the problem with guns in your society ?


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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 7:58:11 AM   
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Hmm no where opens around here at christmas we have to stockpile milk for the two days that the supermarket shuts


Because you still live in a civilized country.

My local supermarket gave their employees a treat on Christmas by closing at 4 pm instead of 11.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 8:40:38 AM   
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Yes, but we still don't want guns  .


Kittin, "we"? You speaking French again or do you have a mouse in your pocket?
And what about the people who do wish to have a gun?
Would you deprive them of that right?
I don't smoke j-bars but if someone else does I support their right to do so!
Freedom is a two-way street.
When it becomes a one-way street with others or,..."the government" making "choices" "for" you that's not freedom.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 8:42:04 AM   
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Are you in fact in your acceptance of guns perpetuating the problem with guns in your society ?



In acceptance of it?

Depends on how you define acceptance.

I'm no fan of the NRA or the ridiculous stances they put forth on gun control.  I'm also not accepting of the idea that most average people need a gun for self-protection, which is also one of the NRA's positions that fuels the paranoia that crackheads are lurking in every corner to break down everyone's door and molest their family.

That being said, I also believe the government oversteps its bounds when it regulates what a person can or cannot own or what activities they can or cannot engage in.

Obviously, some regulations are necessary.  In my mind, it's finding a reasonable compromise that both promotes safety and allows individual freedom.  



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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 8:54:44 AM   
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Would you deprive them of that right?
I don't smoke j-bars but if someone else does I support their right to do so!
Freedom is a two-way street.
When it becomes a one-way street with others or,..."the government" making "choices" "for" you that's not freedom.


Right's bloody rights, you know what I want the right to walk down the street without having to think that someone walking past me has a gun in their pocket that when a fight breaks out I wont be hit by a stray bullet. I want the right to feel safe. Who's right is more important? The right for the majority to feel safe or for one or two to have a gun thus meaning we all have to have one?

Im sorry but I find it so so ironic when i hear all this crap about freedom, you are no more free than we are. Honestly you can argue this till the cows come home it simply not going to happed. So its a good job you dont live here

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 9:45:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		We live in a democratic country, so we are told, which I do believe is a case of majority rules, now if a minority wants a gun and the majority don't want a gun, well, it's simple isn't it, majority rules. The minority will have to accept the will of the majority if they wish to live here.

Now if the minority still want a gun when the majority do not, they will just have to tow the line, or else move to a country more to their liking, a place where  they can feed their paranoia and tote a gun, just in case that possibility happens that someone tries to say anything more than a friendly and polite hello or moves their hand so fast to shake yours in friendship, that you perceive they have got a gun and blow them away.

When you meet people in the street, are you watching their hands, has it got you so bad that you expect a movement inside a jacket pocket is a weapon, or do you think they are rooting for a cigar or other, it would be interesting to know.


Edited to ask, is it really that scary on the streets of the US, so scary one has to feel 'protected' at all times ? The reason I ask, is that maybe in the future I would like to go to the US to visit some friends, but am wondering now, is it safe ?

I have walked around the port areas of a few nations, the rougher ends of town in Ventspils in Latvia, Klaipeda in Lithuania, Gdynia in Poland, not to mention various Islamic countries, never have I been threatened, nor have I seen violence involving guns, are people telling me, the US is worse than any of those places ?

Don't get me wrong here, I do not make a habit of venturing into iffy areas, I go where I need to when I need to, even this country the places I would deem no go areas, I don't go to them if I have no business there, I don't go looking for trouble.


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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 9:52:55 AM   
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I thought I was the one exploring the feminine side...you don't really watch soap operas of any kind do you!



Watch them? They're my religion/s.

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I'm from Missouri... who have you been talking to about shrinks? I though you were into realism...sounds like a fantasy to me.



According to Collarme, and I should point out that I believe everything I read here, Americans swear by psychiatry.

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So you speak for all in the UK...yes realism.. .by the way did you read my post on guns in this thread?



Surprisingly enough, I'm not the spokesman for England. Just an observation, Butch - you know, watching the people around you etc.

And, no, I didn't read your guns post.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 10:06:39 AM   
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And what about the people who do wish to have a gun?



If they don't have a hunting license, fuck 'em. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you're still not getting it fifteen pages later .


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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 10:18:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I saw a fox running along the side of a train the other day on my way to work. They are quite inquisitive creatures considering their wild nature and not much phases them. They aren’t harmless by any stretch of the imagination, I've heard of them attacking unattended minors. That being said I still can't understand those that get their kicks from killing a creature a fraction of their size by tearing it apart with a pack of dogs, after it's become exhausted from running for its life through the woods. The only time the gun is used is to put the poor creature out of the misery those supposed human beings have inflicted on it. The op could not have picked a worse subject to relate to the restriction of gun ownership as it has practically nothing to do with it. I loved the line 'this is the thin end of the wedge we are being forced to swallow’, IMO the wedge should have been inserted the other way around and shoved down their throats.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 10:20:03 AM   
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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 10:20:46 AM   
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It is widely accepted that humans thrive on stability. The whole point of the rule of law is to maintain this stability. Now, were every self-proclaimed vigilante and his dog running 'round with a gun and taking matters into his own hands, then stability wouldn't stand much of a chance.

Perhaps it's an English matter that we submit to the rule of the law; we take our chances with a regulatory body that affords us an appeal, but must be obeyed.

England has one of the lowest murder rates in the developed world - make of that what you will.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 10:24:22 AM   
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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 10:25:14 AM   
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Edited to ask, is it really that scary on the streets of the US, so scary one has to feel 'protected' at all times ?


No, absolutely not.  Wherever you live here. 

Sad that the NRA and gun proponents that espouse their arguments don't realize the effect on tourism from all their propaganda.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 10:27:39 AM   
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Would you deprive them of that right?
I don't smoke j-bars but if someone else does I support their right to do so!
Freedom is a two-way street.
When it becomes a one-way street with others or,..."the government" making "choices" "for" you that's not freedom.


Right's bloody rights, you know what I want the right to walk down the street without having to think that someone walking past me has a gun in their pocket that when a fight breaks out I wont be hit by a stray bullet. I want the right to feel safe. Who's right is more important? The right for the majority to feel safe or for one or two to have a gun thus meaning we all have to have one?

Im sorry but I find it so so ironic when i hear all this crap about freedom, you are no more free than we are. Honestly you can argue this till the cows come home it simply not going to happed. So its a good job you dont live here


Forget about guns. The Brits can all kill each other with second hand cigarette smoke. Alot of people have their health compromised by cigarette smoke. So you guys regulate that for safety of others?

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 10:30:40 AM   
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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 10:32:53 AM   
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Forget about guns. The Brits can all kill each other with second hand cigarette smoke. Alot of people have their health compromised by cigarette smoke. So you guys regulate that for safety of others?


I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure a bullet works a little quicker.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/24/2009 10:35:09 AM   
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I used the wild west argument but they said the west wasn't that wild and I was historically inaccurate.



A reliable source has informed me that the West was indeed totally and irretrievably wild.

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