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beargonewild -> RE: black/racial domination (2/2/2009 4:44:29 PM)
~FR~ Frankly it seems that too many loose sight of the fact that when a sub has a desire to submit to a dom of another nationality, that does not mean they are being racist. The important factor is they want and desire to submit and having the color of the skin being unlike their own is simply an added bonus. The undesirable characters of society are found everywhere, whether in the white community, Asians, Black etc. If the OP so desires to serve a black Dom then all the power to her. My only wish is that she uses common sense in choosing one that is right for her based upon that dom's characteristics first and foremost. Being a honky white assed submissive male, all I care about is if a potential dom and myself are compatible personality wise and I wouldn't give a damn if his skin was black, brown or red with blue stripes.

LunaVenus -> RE: black/racial domination (2/2/2009 4:55:06 PM)
I think Wentworth Miller is a sexy half black man http://img.timeinc.net/people/i/2005/gallery/sexyfalltvguys/wmiller.jpg Also Vanessa Wms ex Rick Fox isn't bad at all http://www.vanessawilliams.de/mag_ebony0502pic3.jpg But I want Congressman Harrold Ford http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2159/2293456695_bb51544876.jpg

GreedyTop -> RE: black/racial domination (2/2/2009 5:09:34 PM)
Luna.. these pics will get pulled.. pics arent allowed in the forums. Links are ok, though.

slaveluci -> RE: black/racial domination (2/2/2009 5:25:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beargonewild Frankly it seems that too many loose sight of the fact that when a sub has a desire to submit to a dom of another nationality, that does not mean they are being racist. So true. What you wrote here reminded me of this old "Seinfeld" episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YuilLVEULA The part it reminded me of is about 40 seconds in[:)]. luci

DrkJourney -> RE: black/racial domination (2/2/2009 5:34:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JustDarkness Racial dominations sounds like race is more important then the person Domming you. No one said something about that. Which is the problem I have. I get these guys wanting to fulfill some fantasy and just picking a color and not remotely caring what kind of person that I am. And I get loads of these even though my profile clearly states I don't want to discuss anything about race, if that's the way you want to "play" so be it, just not my cup of tea. Also, you'd be suprised at how many I get, that we email, then IM and all is fine, until.....THE PHONE CALL.....when they hear my voice and determine that I am an educated woman, I speak clearly, and not ebonics, and I'm not some hood rat with five babies with five baby daddies....well there goes their fantasy, and there goes them. Just the other day I had someone email me that wanted to serve me because he felt he needed to make up for the "past". First email...no hello, just into this. I told him this was his first contact with me and I didn't know him so he'd done nothing to me....well you can just guess what "past" he was referring to. He said he felt all white people should serve blacks to pay back...what a crock of crap. I told him if he we keep up this thinking we are never going to move forward. I don't appreciate being chosen for just what color I am. I don't appreciate them throwing it in my face like it will give them some "points". I've talked to a lot of Dommes/Doms in my day, and the majority of us get offended by someone who can't even give a simple greeting, start into a filabuster about how they always wanted to serve a black woman, or how many black women they've served, and going into detail...now why is that supposed to impress me? So every woman you meet you walk up and start talking about your ex? You might have a preference, but sometimes some preferences are not necessary to voice out loud. I mean if I have a preference for long hair, I wouldn't contact some guy and start harping on how I love his hair, and how I always wanted to be with someone with long hair, and how my last ex had long hair and the things I used to do with it. Sometimes it's beneficial to just keep it to yourself sorry for my tirade...guess I got one too many emails today along these lines....LOL

GreedyTop -> RE: black/racial domination (2/2/2009 5:41:42 PM)
hugs Drk

4u2spoil -> RE: black/racial domination (2/2/2009 9:47:28 PM)
I don't think you intended to be offensive, but you're making a lot of assumptions which is why people are taking offense. You assume that because the OP is interested in black guys they'll all come from the inner city. Black person does not equal inner city person. It's like me pointing to Jeffrey Dahmer or the Columbine teens and saying "watch out for those white guys from the 'burbs. Girls think it's what they see on MTV with pool parties and fun douchebags, but you'll end up in a freezer or shot between the eyes." Exercising good judgement and common sense doesn't change depending on your racial preference. quote: ORIGINAL: UPSG Had you read and understood my original post - or at least my latter explanations of what I was intending to try and say - you would have grasped that I was partly just offering advise for Little A to be cautious because she seemed to me to not have the cynicism and hardness etched into her face like many people that spend many years in the inner-cities (or at least people that have lots of life experience that builds distrust and even hardness). And I'll point out that I have already acknowledged that I probably have misjudged Little A in that respect.

4u2spoil -> RE: black/racial domination (2/2/2009 10:21:49 PM)
As someone from Chicago, I have to clear something up. A close relative taught in the projects. At her retirement dinner, several of her students, including one who'd completed his doctorate and went on to teach college students talked about how she'd inspired them. Not everyone from the inner city grows up to become a crackhead pissing in the hallways, or looks at drug dealing as the top of the career ladder or ultimate inspiration. I didn't grow up thinking shaking my ass in a video was the most I could aspire to, or that I should have kids for checks. I didn't grow up in the inner city, but some of my friends did and they weren't trying to be the next Larry Hoover or Supahead either. Everyone who grows up in a trailer park doesn't end up on a Faces of Meth poster, and not every black person from the ghetto ends up waiting for some naive white girl to drive down their block so they can get some ass. quote: ORIGINAL: UPSG And neither did I tell Little A to avoid Black men. I cautioned her about her choice given - not biological reasons - current sociological factors going on today. I clearly noted many (at least of Gen X on downward) have loss socio-economic grounds (this is according to social scientists, although it is my personal observation as well) and my generation (at least in my part of the Midwest) has been more influenced by Larry Hoover than Martin Luther King. You don't have to be a gang member or a crack dealer to be influenced by persons of fame like Larry Hoover or by your immediate environment.

gumshoe -> RE: black/racial domination (2/3/2009 1:27:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DrkJourney ....well there goes their fantasy, and there goes them. Which rather neatly underlines the need for mutually compatible requirements. Fantasy exists only in the mind and not out there in the real world. Fantasy is nice but it is not real. Winning a million on the lottery is a fantasy. Banging Boss Beckham is a fantasy. Ain't gonna happen. These are fantasies. Aside, perhaps Victoria Beckham will pay me a million for banging her, or perhaps that's just a fantasy. Well anyway. This thread ties in with another concerning slave requirements: http://www.collarchat.com/m_2425480/mpage_1/tm.htm For requirements to be mutually compatible they've got to be real. The other must be both able and willing to fulfill them, otherwise it isn't real, it's fantasy.

FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: black/racial domination (2/3/2009 1:30:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy I will be starting the next thread.....Why are all black women's nipples fucked up? I can only envision the many interesting replies coupled along with the many tit pictures being forwarded that will dispel my awkwardly stated notions. You can always ask for the pictures directly domi... I didn't know you were too shy to go there directly. My nipples are fantastic, I'll have you know. M

dociggy523 -> RE: black/racial domination (2/3/2009 5:27:53 AM)
OMG. I love the fact that this little post from a sub eager to learn and explore something that appeals to her turns into some blown out discussion of racism. I am a black dom. I have been a black dom all of my life. was raised into by my black dom father who took a white sub wife after my mother died. I grew up in an inner city and now I own my own consulting firm and travel the world doing my work. I have seen both sides. I have asked the very question she is asking to MANY subs I have been with. Its not some deep inner conflict rooted in how or where they were raised. It isnt an economic boundry line where the sub can feel like she is slumming with a black guy. The truth that I have learned is two fold. First most white subs who prefer black doms do so because they REALLY love the contrast. It is a bigger physical turn on than anyone gives it credit. But just the simple dark vs light color contrast is a HUGE turn on for most of the subs I have talked to. Second, and this is a bit of a sociological statement, but most black men have a chip on their shoulder. Honestly its something that most all of us seem to pick up some time in our angry teen years. In fact most all males of any color get that chip at that time of our lives. However black men are constantly fed this pc bull. We constantly have to deal with those people who go out of their way NOT to seem racist so they watch every word they say and yes unfortunatly we also have to deal with some racist bigots out there. Truth be told there are plenty of black racist bigots against whites too. But because (even though its getting better) there is still a large part of the everyday public that cant just treat us like normal folk, we get a bit of an attitude. That attitude tends to lead us to more dominant and aggressive personalities. And that extra dominance is something that most of the subs I have been with were attracted to. The fact that she is into black is nothing more than just that. what she wants. Is she more likely to run into pimps and thugs? YES. unfortunatly that is the way a lot of black men go. But she doesnt want a pimp she wants an owner. and from her posts and talking to her she strikes me as smart enough to know the difference between someone who can own her and some dumb punk who wants to pimp her.

NuevaVida -> RE: black/racial domination (2/3/2009 5:45:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil As someone from Chicago, I have to clear something up. A close relative taught in the projects. At her retirement dinner, several of her students, including one who'd completed his doctorate and went on to teach college students talked about how she'd inspired them. Not everyone from the inner city grows up to become a crackhead pissing in the hallways, or looks at drug dealing as the top of the career ladder or ultimate inspiration. I didn't grow up thinking shaking my ass in a video was the most I could aspire to, or that I should have kids for checks. I didn't grow up in the inner city, but some of my friends did and they weren't trying to be the next Larry Hoover or Supahead either. Everyone who grows up in a trailer park doesn't end up on a Faces of Meth poster, and not every black person from the ghetto ends up waiting for some naive white girl to drive down their block so they can get some ass. quote: ORIGINAL: UPSG And neither did I tell Little A to avoid Black men. I cautioned her about her choice given - not biological reasons - current sociological factors going on today. I clearly noted many (at least of Gen X on downward) have loss socio-economic grounds (this is according to social scientists, although it is my personal observation as well) and my generation (at least in my part of the Midwest) has been more influenced by Larry Hoover than Martin Luther King. You don't have to be a gang member or a crack dealer to be influenced by persons of fame like Larry Hoover or by your immediate environment. Interesting discussion, and I agree with 4u2spoil. I recently met a dom who is black, and in our conversations I learned we both grew up in the South (SF) Bay Area. When he told me the neighborhood he grew up in, I laughed and said "Ohhh, you're from THAT part of town! I wasn't allowed to go to THAT part of town...hahaha" We laughed, it was no biggy. The man has his Masters degree in finance/economics, goes to church, and has his own business. We've had some fun and lively discussions. I asked him, "So what will your friends think if you start bringing a white chick around?" He laughed and said "My friends accept what's mine, and if they don't, they're not my friends." One thing I found on the CM side of this site, is when I'm contacted by someone who is not caucasion, they almost always include something in their introductory email to the effect of, "If race isn't an issue for you..." I think it's crazy-sad that they even feel the need to write that. As for the OP...good lord there's nothing different in her preference for black men than if I were to come here saying I want a hot Italian stud, or I want a blonde haired, blue eyed hunny.

StrangerThan -> RE: black/racial domination (2/3/2009 6:02:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dociggy523 OMG. I love the fact that this little post from a sub eager to learn and explore something that appeals to her turns into some blown out discussion of racism. I am a black dom. I have been a black dom all of my life. was raised into by my black dom father who took a white sub wife after my mother died. I grew up in an inner city and now I own my own consulting firm and travel the world doing my work. I have seen both sides. I have asked the very question she is asking to MANY subs I have been with. Its not some deep inner conflict rooted in how or where they were raised. It isnt an economic boundry line where the sub can feel like she is slumming with a black guy. The truth that I have learned is two fold. First most white subs who prefer black doms do so because they REALLY love the contrast. It is a bigger physical turn on than anyone gives it credit. But just the simple dark vs light color contrast is a HUGE turn on for most of the subs I have talked to. Second, and this is a bit of a sociological statement, but most black men have a chip on their shoulder. Honestly its something that most all of us seem to pick up some time in our angry teen years. In fact most all males of any color get that chip at that time of our lives. However black men are constantly fed this pc bull. We constantly have to deal with those people who go out of their way NOT to seem racist so they watch every word they say and yes unfortunatly we also have to deal with some racist bigots out there. Truth be told there are plenty of black racist bigots against whites too. But because (even though its getting better) there is still a large part of the everyday public that cant just treat us like normal folk, we get a bit of an attitude. That attitude tends to lead us to more dominant and aggressive personalities. And that extra dominance is something that most of the subs I have been with were attracted to. The fact that she is into black is nothing more than just that. what she wants. Is she more likely to run into pimps and thugs? YES. unfortunatly that is the way a lot of black men go. But she doesnt want a pimp she wants an owner. and from her posts and talking to her she strikes me as smart enough to know the difference between someone who can own her and some dumb punk who wants to pimp her. It's nice to see a clear voice that isn't spouting all kinds of social theory or trying to create it. I always sigh when I see these kinds of threads for the simple reason that they rarely fail to turn into a discussion, and sometimes a heated one, on racism with everyone trying to stamp some point on the debate. My personal view on the subject is that MLK defined how I wanted to be. I see a man/woman, regardless of the color. When I see an asshole, I see one regardless of the color. When I see good folk, I see good folk regardless of color. I don't go out of the way to temper how I talk, how I interact, how I joke and play. That doesn't mean I'm color blind or try to be. It means the person is what I look at more than anything. That probably offends some of the PC crowd. Too bad. If I can't deal with people as people then the problem isn't mine, it's theirs. To the OP, we all have kinks, likes, dislikes, turn ons and turn offs. Follow yours. Whatever path you follow, use common sense. It's that simple.

Coupleofwhats -> RE: black/racial domination (2/3/2009 7:14:30 AM)
quote: I don't appreciate being chosen for just what color I am. I don't appreciate them throwing it in my face like it will give them some "points". I've talked to a lot of Dommes/Doms in my day, and the majority of us get offended by someone who can't even give a simple greeting, start into a filabuster about how they always wanted to serve a black woman, or how many black women they've served, and going into detail...now why is that supposed to impress me? So every woman you meet you walk up and start talking about your ex? Ditto. It's weird when the first thing out of someone's mouth is "My ex-wife was black!" It's like they think they've gained access to some secret club, and that's the password. quote: Also, you'd be suprised at how many I get, that we email, then IM and all is fine, until.....THE PHONE CALL.....when they hear my voice and determine that I am an educated woman, I speak clearly, and not ebonics, and I'm not some hood rat with five babies with five baby daddies....well there goes their fantasy, and there goes them. Not even my voice deters them! (It's in a higher register and on the sweeter side.) In the past, I've had people come in to session, and then wait with bated breath for me to morph into Shanaynay, only to leave disappointed. I just hit delete nowadays when there is mention made of race in an email: if they can't be bothered to read about me, I can't be bothered to respond.

Jeptha -> RE: black/racial domination (2/3/2009 10:32:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: StrangerThan It's nice to see a clear voice that isn't spouting all kinds of social theory or trying to create it. Actually, he had some social theory there. No socio-economic theory, though. quote: ORIGINAL: dociggy523 ... Is she more likely to run into pimps and thugs? YES. unfortunatly that is the way a lot of black men go. Isn't this what some dude said about 4 pages ago and got busted for being 10 kinds of racist? quote: But she doesnt want a pimp she wants an owner. and from her posts and talking to her she strikes me as smart enough to know the difference between someone who can own her and some dumb punk who wants to pimp her. I think so too.

MsDDom -> RE: black/racial domination (2/3/2009 12:09:04 PM)
quote: So true. What you wrote here reminded me of this old "Seinfeld" episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YuilLVEULA The part it reminded me of is about 40 seconds in. luci LOL! [:D] seinfeld...LOL! i figured the initial question was answered in this forum?? race...never a happy issue...

MsDDom -> RE: black/racial domination (2/3/2009 12:14:19 PM)
quote: I don't think you intended to be offensive, but you're making a lot of assumptions which is why people are taking offense. my thought from the beginning... hence the extensive debate just b/c someone has a preference...

UPSG -> RE: black/racial domination (2/3/2009 12:27:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LunaVenus UPSG my darling , I didn't read all of your posts but the problem I see is that you seem to be focusing on only the lower socio economic groups. The few minorities at the private school and University I attended were nothing like those statistics... A totally different ilk. Those that you portrayed are perhaps the majority but certainly not a complete picture at all. I don't know anyone like that. LOL Just as an FYI: Very true. The U.S. South with all it's HBCU (Historically Black Colleges and Universities) has an especially strong academic and upper-middle class culture among Black-Americans (of course you have many rural poor in the South living like it was the 1800's with shacks on stilts, cotton on the dirt roads, no electricity and a outhouse to use). The socio-economic development throughout much of the "Rust-Belt" and maybe the "Frost-Belt" was a bit different. Neither my White grandfather or my Black grandfather passed grade school. The former originated on a Midwestern farmer, the other latter originated navigating a donky down a Mississippi field. Both ended up in an industrial city that at one time had so many jobs, the old timers say you could get fired from one, and walk across the street the same day and pick up work. My brither has an advanced degree, can't find work, and work part-time barely supporting his family with his wife working full time. They only have three kids. My grandfathers probably couldn't point Mexico out on a map but their wages were so large their wives stayed home and they each raised large families of 8 to 12 kids. Never again the United States. Never again in the Midwest. You can browse city-data.com to find the percentage adults age 25 and older, in various cities, with a bachelor degree or more. The bulk of the adult U.S. population age 25 and older don't have a bachelors degree. Only roughly 30% of Americans do - that means 70% don't. My city would fall below the national average. I'm not entering for debate, I just wanted to point that out.

LunaVenus -> RE: black/racial domination (2/3/2009 12:34:23 PM)
Darling, I actually agree with your premise in general. Which is why I usually have nothing to do with blacks at all.. But there is always a sexy person that can be an exception....if he behaves himself LOL.

UPSG -> RE: black/racial domination (2/3/2009 12:37:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil As someone from Chicago, I have to clear something up. A close relative taught in the projects. At her retirement dinner, several of her students, including one who'd completed his doctorate and went on to teach college students talked about how she'd inspired them. Not everyone from the inner city grows up to become a crackhead pissing in the hallways, or looks at drug dealing as the top of the career ladder or ultimate inspiration. I didn't grow up thinking shaking my ass in a video was the most I could aspire to, or that I should have kids for checks. I didn't grow up in the inner city, but some of my friends did and they weren't trying to be the next Larry Hoover or Supahead either. Everyone who grows up in a trailer park doesn't end up on a Faces of Meth poster, and not every black person from the ghetto ends up waiting for some naive white girl to drive down their block so they can get some ass. quote: ORIGINAL: UPSG And neither did I tell Little A to avoid Black men. I cautioned her about her choice given - not biological reasons - current sociological factors going on today. I clearly noted many (at least of Gen X on downward) have loss socio-economic grounds (this is according to social scientists, although it is my personal observation as well) and my generation (at least in my part of the Midwest) has been more influenced by Larry Hoover than Martin Luther King. You don't have to be a gang member or a crack dealer to be influenced by persons of fame like Larry Hoover or by your immediate environment. You have to admit though, Larry Hoover had a huge impact on the methodology of thought for many young Gen X Blacks. I'm not from Chicago but I grew up hearing young kids 13 years old "spitting literature" like, "If I die lay me to rest and tell King Hoover I did my best." Not one ever met this man but his name was damn near Jesus Christ and Al Capone. As an adult, thinking back, I eventually noted none of those kids ever spoke about or quoted MLK. I admittedly, admire Hoover myself.

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