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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 2:09:42 PM   
lusciouslips19


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Although i think that you and i have had a similar discussion sometime in the past, i think that slaveluci summed up why Dominants want submissives who chose to submit to them as opposed to everyone the best
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He has occasionally remarked that if I would submit to anyone, anyhow or any way, wow wouldn't he feel special?  He's got a pulse and will take the time to "dominate" me so He'll do? 


If anyone who is available could "dominate" a person, that doesn't make a person's submission to me (just using the term, i'm not a Dominant) very special. Any one would do. i would think that that would make one wonder then why is she or he with me as opposed to someone else and how easy would it be for someone else to take her or him away from me.

i know that there are some on the site, yourself included prop who say that you are submissive to everyone, so that makes me wonder why are you with your Master over someone else if your submission is not a choice or doesn't need to be inspired at all.

heartfelt


it's very unfortunate that so many view the type of submission that those like myself, beth and so many others have to offer as not valuable, not special, simply because it is a core aspect of our personalities. it's also very unfortunate that most cannot see the unique type of strength that it takes to live life as such a submissive.

you ask why i am with my Master over any other joe blow, if it is my nature to submit to anyone. well, there is a difference between submitting to someone, and giving yourself to someone. i did not choose to submit to my Master...that came naturally. but i chose to give myself to him, to hand myself over entirely to him, because i saw and felt who he was and that he was the One i was placed on this earth for. He immediately saw something highly treasured and precious in my type of submission, something he had longed to have in a mate but had never really hoped to find. the tamed lioness never appealed to him. the on/off type of submission never appealed to him. even the inspirational type of submission never appealed to him. but knowing that a woman's submission is simply an intrinsic part of her as much as her skin or eye color, that it was pure, unconscious and unforced, that appealed to him very much. someone who could accept him and his very dominant nature, with whom he could explore endless possibilities and who would never attempt to engage him in silly power struggles. and also, someone who really and truly NEEDED him, needed his guidance and authority, his structure and discipline, his protection and love.





i dont think anyone is saying you aren't special. I think there are many ways and you are special to some but not others and the same goes for the stronger sub too.

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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 2:13:04 PM   
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I see no-one's replied to your post domi..... so I'll assume it's to me ....lol

I know what's OLD ......... and that's the fact that you've posted 6162 times and haven't dragged me to your cave and fucked me yet.

agirl



It's that whole fucking "pond" thing that gets in the way.  You are cute sexy, sassy and well on your way towards death...(mature).

Come to my cave and I will surely fuck the bejesus out of you amongst other unspeakable atrocities... You will then be instructed to paint on the walls all of the horrific and horrible events that you were made to do as well as witness. 

Years later when my cave is unearthed by some pompous group of anthropologists, the headline shall read.... 

"Our ancient ancestors...Really, really  fucked up! It appears that they only way they could successfully breed was via anal!  The women of that time apparently survived on a diet which consisted solely of pee and cock!

Then in a shocking incident, Similar to the movie The Planet of the Apes,  the government would immediately be alerted of "the find" and my cave and all of it's belongings would be burned, blown up and immediately sealed under tons of rock...Never to be spoke of again, under the penalty of death...Like the whole event never transpired.

I think you will like my cave.


LOL.......I'm almost afraid that I'm already IN it!!!

I am imagining our progeny already. Aritstic with unusually wide orifices.

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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 2:13:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		 There are some seemingly prominent women who are self sufficient in successful careers who are not (fill in the blank) submissive as those much less striking. Accordingly, there are Dom men in successful careers, well educated, wealthy and apparently Dom-like who are less Domly than those without a nickel smoking a doobie. It depends.

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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 2:17:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

brainiacsub...I see you lurking up there ...What's new?



I'm sorry I haven't been around much. Where have you been? One of us had to get a J-O-B, domi. What with all the demands for midnight anal, somebody had to buy the lube. How can you expect to dominate me if you can't even afford the lube?

Seriously now, I do lurk quite a bit but don't post much these days. I don't see the point unless someone says something particularly profound or brilliant and deserves a public kudos or I feel that I may have something to contribute. This is a rare thread that qualifies on both fronts.

You were on to something when you made the distinction between kink and D/s as a lifestyle choice. If more people understood that bdsm activity is kink, and D/s is  a way that people relate to each other based on a matching of opposite personality types, then we could eliminate so much of the confusion. I have spent a year very frustrated on CM looking for a Dominant partner, only to find out that most who claim to be dominant are really just tops. They prefer to play the dominant role during sex and other activities, but they are not in control of themselves, their lives, or their relationships. Being a top gives them a feeling of power and control. Someone like that might say that they want a strong submissive, but in fact they are quite intimidated by such women. They may in fact want a strong, intelligent bottom to play with, but that is different than being a submissive. On the flip side, I'm sure there are just as many Dominant men out there who are just as frustrated in their search for a submissive woman, only to find out that many of these women who claim they are submissive are really bottoms. On this thread and in others they are referred to as fakes, wannabes, conditional submissives, and on and on.

As for me, I am submissive and highly intelligent and very functional and capable. I CHOOSE my partners, and when they prove themselves worthy, it is a very natural tendancy for me to want to please and submit to their desires. I have often been told that I am not a true submissive because I don't easily take orders or accept direction, especially when I barely know someone. I never cease to be amazed at the number of 'doms' who are looking for a submissive or slave to play. This again is kink, and each person can assume the role of the dom or sub for the purpose of play, but that is not the same as being a Dominant or being a submissive. For those of you who have this personality type, you know that it is not something that you turn off or on...it is just who you are. It is 24/7 for me, even if I never participate in a single kinky activity. D/s is not about sex, it is about power exchange that may or may not include kinky activities. When you have an ignorant top, the last person that they will be compatible with is an intelligent submissive. It just ain't happenin.

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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 2:21:12 PM   
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Many dominants like myself have the power to dominate meetings, people we meet on the street, situations, business deals, gun fights, or whatever. Doing so is an adversarial contest, one we tend to win by browbeating, overpowering, force of will, or whatever else it takes.



Is this a joke or are you being serious?

I've no idea what meetings you're involved with, or what people you meet on the street, but the people I know are successful, independent, self-confident people in their own right; and in the event you or anyone else waltzs in attempting to exercise their 'power', they'll laugh their fucking heads off before sending you/them to the bar to get the beer in. You know, in the world of the street and meetings, BDSM books and excursions into a place called a munch or play party every Friday night, populated by people calling themselves dominants, is of little consequence. Plus, a successful meeting is one where everyone takes something from it and is confident their voice has been heard, rather than one of 'browbeating'.

It must be a joke, surely?

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

I want to walk with a lioness on the end of my leash, one fully capable of ripping my head off. There is the excitement, there is the challenge, and there lies MY goal, my partner, my woman.



You're a complicated man, Mike. I'd settle for a spot of peace, generosity, love and obedience.


I left that one well alone because I thought it might be a culteral thing.

agirl





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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 2:22:03 PM   
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I'd settle for a spot of peace, generosity, love and obedience.


Which is of course why you stumbled into my thread asking if it was all just a joke, right?  Because you are all about peace and generosity?

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  Is this a joke or are you being serious?


Last time you posted a similar rhetorical question doubting my words, my partner at the time (BossyShoeBitch) wasted her time answering you and of course you never responded.  Tell you what, answer the last time you challenged me and I might find the time to once again further your education.


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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 2:30:06 PM   
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The sort of dominants I speak of want to explore the dark with someone who is capable of keeping up with us. We could easily convince some weaker woman to do those things but at some point, those dark acts would break her. We don't want to break someone, it is not a challenge to us, it is the kinky equivalent of taking candy from a child, of picking on the weak.


Greetings..

Not that I agree or disagree with your reasonings as listed in the OP Sir but why does the thought of a person who submits being pushed against their will always lead to breaking them? It seems to me at times that seeking what you speak of could quite easily be turned around to state that the Dominant who wishes to endeavor into these darker places does not have the courage to visit them alone nor the gumption to garner the responsibility of taking someone there, and needs that agreement and partner in such an adventure in order for themselves to get there. It always seems to be the easy answer of not wanting to break them in a sense that the dom is protecting when really they just don't want to be the only one going there alone. Perhaps having an allie lessons any moral guilts that may ensure.

Just a different perspective that came to mind and not an advocate for the way you presented it nor how I did.

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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 2:48:03 PM   
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First off, I worked very very hard to put this in terms of "this is why I want what I want" rather than "I want the best".  An imperfect attempt of course but that was my goal.

As such, I didn't write, nor did I imply that pushing someone against their will leads automatically to breaking. 

If I wanted to be alone, that is rather easy but masterbation gets old after a while, I prefer some assistance.  As for me playing protector, that is exactly what I don't want ON SOME LEVEL.  Clearly I love to thump my chest and mount my horse and play white knight.  However, I want someone who could draw a sword so to speak and fight along side me to push this metaphore past its usefulness.  I am not looking to play protector so I can pretend the dark doesn't frighten me.  Frankly, it scares the fuck out me.  The things I am talking about are wrong...and I need to know that she is doing them with a wink and a smile at some level.

For some in this thread that means I am not really dominating her, for others they read something else in all that.  Great, that was my goal, as I didn't want to write a "why I am the coolest" thread.

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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 2:48:50 PM   
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not submitting feels unnatural, "wrong", nauseating and internally grating---like forcing one's self to be dominant over another...or forcing oneself to sit still in a hard folding chair while listening to nails being slowly dragged down a blackboard, over and over and over, all the while in full-term labor with no anesthetic...eating an entire box of dry crackers with no liquid in reach...or sight.


Well, its not quite like this for me.  :)  But, 'not submitting' is a pain in the ass.  For me, its like swimming against the current or walking straight into a hard wind.  It takes more effort than submitting, and, all else being equal, I'd rather not expend the extra effort because I don't get much out of 'not submitting.' (Sometimes I wonder if I'm not really submissive at all, but just lazy.) Its a lot easier for me to submit, and, in most situations, there's no reason not to take a submissive position.  People are generally innocuous, and generally don't take advantage and, taking someone else's lead has only rarely led me down a path I'd rather not have gone down.  And, even then, its never been all that hard to get on a different path, one I'd rather be on. 

In my mind, understanding how this works for me is my strength.  Understanding this means I'm not wasting alot of energy going against the flow, but, in going with the flow, I can put the energy I do have to better use.  And, sometimes I can just coast and not use much energy at all.   That's kind of like nirvana to me. :)

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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 2:51:04 PM   
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I'd settle for a spot of peace, generosity, love and obedience.


Which is of course why you stumbled into my thread asking if it was all just a joke, right?  Because you are all about peace and generosity?



Mike, I expect you'll understand when I say that you're not on my list of potential female partners with whom I'd like to share peace and generosity.

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  Is this a joke or are you being serious?


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Last time you posted a similar rhetorical question doubting my words, my partner at the time (BossyShoeBitch) wasted her time answering you and of course you never responded.  Tell you what, answer the last time you challenged me and I might find the time to once again further your education.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_2177970/mpage_3/key_northerngent/tm.htm#2205399



It's been a while, but I recall swerving your the thread at the point where you were sending me private messages suggesting I should read your posts on that thread. I really should have more of a heart at times.

You know, if you're going to put a post up talking yourself up, then you really should expect someone to come along with an alternative point of view. It's nothing out of the ordinary, really.

Anyway, Mike, you crack on, mate, don't mind me.

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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 3:03:20 PM   
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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 3:04:26 PM   
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I disagree that being a strong submissive equates to conditional submission or any sort of dominance.


I'd disagree with "a strong submissive equates to conditional submission", too. There is dominance in conditional submission that has no relationship to 'strength'. It represents retained control, power, and authority. I'm presenting an argument saying strength is required to overcome the conditions.


See I wondered if I was reading it wrong, but answered according to how it came off to me. Thanks for adding the clarity I needed, Merc.


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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 3:27:57 PM   
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The things I am talking about are wrong...and I need to know that she is doing them with a wink and a smile at some level.
Michael, I'm confident you know that we're having a perspective disclosing discussion and not an argument; however, I have to ask you to clarify this for me.

How can consensual activity between two people, even if that activity comes with specific act coercion or within the context of relationship coercion, be considered "wrong". However you get to the ultimately shared experience can it be "wrong", especially from the perspective of one of the participants, especially the participant who is the controlling dominant? Man - that's a set up that just about guarantees guilt coming back to haunt you even if you weren't brought up Italian and/or Catholic! Worse, it usually comes at you when you're alone and the only voice in response comes from your own head.

Applying all the usual disclaimers about involving smaller life forms walking on 2 legs four legs or more, dismemberment by chainsaw, and terminal breath, gun, or knife play; it's all FUN isn't it!? 'Wrong', 'Fun', unless the pillow talk goes something like; "Man that was sooooo wrong but we had a blast!" how can those two concepts come to be used in the same sentence?

I know you aren't seeking permission, but I'd bet you're seeking some benchmark reference that you can internalize and visit when alone so you don't at some level feel guilty for your pleasure. Now that's something I can relate too. Fortunately, I managed to kill that little bastard's voice in me that represented the same guilty thoughts some years ago, but it was there for the greater part of my life. It caused me to stay in a situation because my partner, a partner I met in a NYC dungeon and married BTW, didn't give me that 'permission' to enjoy myself and quilted me into 'growing up' (her words) beyond my sadistic needs and nature. I lived that way for almost 20 years and it sucked!

It took a traumatic event to understand that acting upon desires and experiencing personal pleasure wasn't 'evil', and surely wasn't 'wrong'. A complimentary partner, with complimentary desires and a confident, strong, mindset to enjoy them with you, makes all acts perceived 'wrong' by society and upbringing - 'right'. Between partners, committed ultimately to the relationship interests above self interests, there is only right. I can't imagine any coercion from any source, that could now make me feel what I do to, and with, beth wrong. Absolutely with no limits or safe-wording involved.

Granted - you're an 'artist' and artists tend to enjoy self flagellation and suffer for their art - but even drawing upon your artistic abilities, don't bring guilt or thoughts about what you are doing is 'wrong' into play. If something you've made, in metal or wood is used by someone to do permanent harm on another - would you say you were 'wrong' to coerce the item out of the original form it came to you? 
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"why I am the coolest" thread.
Dude - As if you care! Besides, you may not be 'THE' coolest, but 'cool' enough as far as we're concerned!

See you, not soon enough, my friend!

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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 3:28:24 PM   
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I KNOW I am not alone in feeling this way but I am going to lay out why some of us ONLY want a strong powerful independent opinionated picky selective and even arrogant woman for our submissive partner.

Many dominants like myself have the power to dominate meetings, people we meet on the street, situations, business deals, gun fights, or whatever. Doing so is an adversarial contest, one we tend to win by browbeating, overpowering, force of will, or whatever else it takes.

(note, I am not alone in this but the rest is written in first person for clarity)

I DO NOT WANT AN ADVERSARIAL CONTEST WITH MY PARTNER

In order to do that, I need to know that she has the strength to say no to me, to look me in the eye and when she says "yes", even if it is only by not saying no, that I have not overpowered her but that she has freely chosen to submit to my will.


I too want a strong, intelligent submissive woman...one whose submission comes about because something in my dominant nature strums her submissive nature in a pleasant, harmonious manner.  I want her choice to yield to my will to be a conscious decision on her part, made in part due to mental processing, emotional processing and that indefinable harmony I mentioned earlier.  Coercion of someone does not appeal to me at this...or any other...stage of my life. 

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How else would I feel safe to venture into the very dark places I long to explore. I want to turn her world upside down, blackmail her, violate her, force her to do unspeakable things, train her to respond and crave acts that I could not speak of in public.

I would not, I could not, feel safe going there with someone whom I might break, or who might do it because she couldn't say no to me. I need to know that no matter how hard I force her, push her limits, violate her, that she retains the willpower, the emotional strength at her core to say "no, I am not ready" or even "not tonight Sir"

The sort of dominants I speak of want to explore the dark with someone who is capable of keeping up with us. We could easily convince some weaker woman to do those things but at some point, those dark acts would break her. We don't want to break someone, it is not a challenge to us, it is the kinky equivalent of taking candy from a child, of picking on the weak.


I can see what you are saying here, Michael.  For me, it is stated more along the lines of trust...she has learned, through experience with me in-and-out-scene that I can be trusted to take her to those dark, unsavory places that I yearn to go and to those dark, hardly-ever-spoken of places that SHE yearns to go and explore them as completely as possible and yet, will pull her back to the level I know she needs to come back to when the trip becomes too scary or too much.  Yet, she is intelligent enough to know that I will not pull always pull her back to the safest level but rather the level she can handle at that point in time and that for me to take her further again, she will have to rely on the trust she has put into me to find a way so that she will have to consciously decide...like it or not...to say "yes" to it and find the strength within her and draw on my strength both to venture there.

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I want to walk with a lioness on the end of my leash, one fully capable of ripping my head off. There is the excitement, there is the challenge, and there lies MY goal, my partner, my woman.


I like leashes.  ~dark smile~  While the image of a "roaring lioness" does not do much for me---I no longer wish to engage in "prove my dominance by overwhelming you with it" battles, I can see where the image of lioness equates to strength.  But I always keep in mind what LaT noted, "sometimes those who would appear to be a lioness are in fact only covering up great insecurity and weakness...sometimes those who would appear to be a meek rabbit or doe are in fact amazingly strong."  This realization keeps me looking at all people and learning about them rather than making what may be an unwarranted assumption about their level of strength simply by how they present themselves.

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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 3:39:06 PM   
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I want to walk with a lioness on the end of my leash, one fully capable of ripping my head off. There is the excitement, there is the challenge, and there lies MY goal, my partner, my woman.


very nice.

But, as katy said:
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If only there were more like you, not afraid to man up and take a strong, opinionated submissive.


Many men HAVE in profile they do not want a doormat yet want a STRONG submissive but when it comes down to it 99% don't really mean that.  When it comes down to it they backtrack at the slightest equal or corrective conversation and play the victim  'you cannot be submissive, you don't automatically adore me' game.  They truly want a bimbo who wouldn't notice just how weak they are and assume throwing in the 'I want a strong woman' bit makes them 'appear' more masculine.  It doesn't.

Hallelujah OP.


Indeed....like a previous guy whom I met said "you aren't submissive enough"...as he kind of was expecting I trust him blindly straight away in the first 7 hours of meeting face to face...well, I use to say that I need a Dom "who can handle ME." THEN he is a strong one...as after all I am looking for a man and not a mouse...despite that reg. OP's message...what also musn't be forgotten is that it is also safer for the Dom with a strong sub, because since more then 10 years I am working in the social sector in different sections and different levels (as carer for severe disabled people, for people with learning disabilities, with mental health problems and also as a social worker). I am used to try to find the best solution for the clients I am working with and speak up for them and advocate on behalf of them when necessary...now from how much use is a weak sub if the Dom would ever be in health trouble due to health issues or after an accident or so....we never want to consider such moments, but it does help him to have a sub who is able to use her mind if such a situation would ever arise and ensures he gets quality help and is able to speak up for him if necessarily when medical staff or other professionals might go to do a decision he might not want in a situation where he might (for a change) not be able to speak up for himself. I love to challenge staff and other professionals when I am committed to advocate for someone or to look after someone

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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 3:43:07 PM   
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The sort of dominants I speak of want to explore the dark with someone who is capable of keeping up with us.

Now here's the thing....I am one step ahead of the game.


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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 4:44:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

I like leashes.  ~dark smile~  While the image of a "roaring lioness" does not do much for me---I no longer wish to engage in "prove my dominance by overwhelming you with it" battles, I can see where the image of lioness equates to strength.  But I always keep in mind what LaT noted, "sometimes those who would appear to be a lioness are in fact only covering up great insecurity and weakness...sometimes those who would appear to be a meek rabbit or doe are in fact amazingly strong."  This realization keeps me looking at all people and learning about them rather than making what may be an unwarranted assumption about their level of strength simply by how they present themselves.


You and LaT couldn't be more right. Is this not the quintessence of the intelligent submissive? One who has the strength to choose a partner who will take the time to know and understand her motivations, and offer acceptance and security inspite of, and at times because of, all the weakness and insecurities that exist below the surface? I for one cannot trust someone enough to give me what I need unless I know they understand why I need it. Of course you are right that this should not be a battle of wills. In my experience the effort expended to get to know and understand someone is far more productive and valuable than the constant combative tests and negotiations to prove one's worth.

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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 4:59:07 PM   
bamagirl4u


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Status: offline 		Very well said!  I personally think it takes a strong woman to be a submissive, but to know there are men that appreciate the wild cat in me...well...it makes me smile!  Thanks!

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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 5:01:09 PM   
oceanwynds


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Status: offline 		These are my thoughts and they contain nothing that is a truism, but it is true for me. I am submissive in my work, yet i have boundaries. I am submissive in many ways to my family and friends, yet i have boundaries. I am a door-mat to my Goddess Pele, The Hawaiian Goddess, and will do whatever she says. I am a door-mat to Sir and will do whatever he says. Being of such, I am a very empowered woman, and this is where my strength lies. It takes nothing special in my opinion to be this, it just who i am. I takes strength though to stand up for who I am, when necessary, or at times strength is in ignoring those who find fault with who I am.

Blessings
oceanwynds

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RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them - 2/9/2009 5:08:03 PM   
slaveluci


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ORIGINAL: marie2

Ha....Luci, that's like the second time in a year that someone agrees with me on these boards.  I think I'm having an orgasm over here.  :)

Good for you!  But I'll have you know I agree with you much of the time.  Maybe I should type it out more.
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I didn't think the OP came off as comparing or saying one type was better than another, it just looked like a commentary on a particular preference, and it was written in a way that it celebrated that preference, and explained it, without tearing down anyone else.  

Agreed.  I enjoyed SimplyMichael's post and didn't see it as pitting any one type against the other.  It was very thought-provoking indeed and I've enjoyed reading the replies.

luci

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