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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Not so sure about all of this posturing.  I would prefer to take the caveman approach and simply dominate a totally unwilling partner...Take a woman that is strong in mind and spirit and simply break her will...That would be "twue" domination..Then I would watch a whole bunch of Star Trek, Battle Star Galactica read some Gor crud and dress up like a knight or a pirate. the idea of "taking" a woman lost much of it's appeal after I watched the fall out from the Elizabeth Smart case. I think those knuckleheads got in a little bit of trouble, it made me realize that I probably should look for more "consentual" outlets for my domlust.

I can't help but sometimes feel a bit condescending when addressing this subject.  It's six of one half dozen of the other.  I want a partner that accepts my kink and is thrilled to go along for the ride. She catches my drift, rides my wave...(tears well up in my eyes) ..."She gets me, man!!!"

I bitch about women...But then I hear from them and they are more than happy to explain that the dudes on this thing are no picnic either.  I continually hear how they don't have jobs, don't live alone, hiding a marriage, are complete turds that are incapable of carrying on a meaningful conversation let alone actually participating in a "healthy" relationship with a woman.  By calling themselves a "Dom" is just a way to hide behind their ever present inadequacies.

Fuck, at this point, I would accept a woman off of this site that actually cares about her appearance, isn't taking a pile of meds, is literate, has successfully dealt with her darker issues, has a thirst to learn more about the world that surrounds her,  hasn't lost her mind to fantasy or is too lost into this whole messy thang that we do.  Doesn't dress like Morticia Adams or some wench that would be more reminiscent to the days of Jack the Ripper or earlier.

Fuck it. I'm dating vanilla . I know my twisted flower is out there, just waiting to be plucked and fucked.  She will never be the same. I will be her Hurricane Katrina.  When FEMA finally reaches her it will be too late, nothing left to salvage, move along...Nothing to see here.

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...i know that there are some on the site, yourself included prop who say that you are submissive to everyone, so that makes me wonder why are you with your Master over someone else if your submission is not a choice or doesn't need to be inspired at all...

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

perhaps this speaks to the personal sensitivities we all have, but from what i've observed over the years in the lifestyle, on and offline, is that most Dominants want a submissive much like SimplyMichael describes in the OP. they want that "tamed lioness," and they look with disdain and disgust upon submissives who do not submit out of some conscious choice to do so or out of any inspiration to do so. they look down upon submissives who are well...submissive as a general state of who they are and how they interact with others in the world. they want the dichotomy of someone being capable, "strong," independent, sometimes even assertive in the larger world, but submissive to them. so, again according to my own observations, these submissives have always been generally considered to be very desireable, very much wanted and valued.

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ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

Although i think that you and i have had a similar discussion sometime in the past, i think that slaveluci summed up why Dominants want submissives who chose to submit to them as opposed to everyone the best

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He has occasionally remarked that if I would submit to anyone, anyhow or any way, wow wouldn't he feel special?  He's got a pulse and will take the time to "dominate" me so He'll do? 

If anyone who is available could "dominate" a person, that doesn't make a person's submission to me (just using the term, i'm not a Dominant) very special. Any one would do. i would think that that would make one wonder then why is she or he with me as opposed to someone else and how easy would it be for someone else to take her or him away from me.

i know that there are some on the site, yourself included prop who say that you are submissive to everyone, so that makes me wonder why are you with your Master over someone else if your submission is not a choice or doesn't need to be inspired at all.

heartfelt

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ORIGINAL: marie2

And a general thought:  I didn't think the OP came off as comparing or saying one type was better than another, it just looked like a commentary on a particular preference, and it was written in a way that it celebrated that preference, and explained it, without tearing down anyone else.   

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ORIGINAL: domiguy


Everyone out here is different.  Often my thoughts evolve and change over time.  I think what many are trying to articulate is that we value intelligence. 

Actually, I dig a really submissive woman.  But just because she has made the choice to defray many of the decisions to moi....Does not mean that she is lacking in other areas. 

She can drink my pee, stand on a chair and masturbate, deepthroat like a champ  but is capable of  free and explorative thought. For me, most of this is kink.  So once we get past the sexual side of it, much of this shit loses it's appeal. 

Now some peeps dig the 24 hr nonstop shit....I think that "you" fall more under this category.  You are a groovy smart chick...and rather easy on the eye, yet we would never be compatible because I could never supply what you need and you would probably bug me to the point that I would inevitably have to kill you.

So we must have a pretty clear cut  idea of the type of partner that would leave us most fulfilled or we might just be spinning our wheels. 

In the short run, spinning your wheels might be just what the mechanic ordered.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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...i know that there are some on the site, yourself included prop who say that you are submissive to everyone, so that makes me wonder why are you with your Master over someone else if your submission is not a choice or doesn't need to be inspired at all...

this slave will take a stab at it.
 
this slave needs no inspiration or specific criteria met, in order to submit to another.  it's like breathing in and out.  if that makes it not "special" or a "choice" or some other flowery thing like "inspiration", this slave really can't help that.  it is what it is.
 
the decision to enter into an intimate M/s relationship with another and submit ONLY to them, is indeed a choice...that all sorts of folk make.  this slave made the decision to submit to ONLY one...after consulting with the one who had remained as the Dominant Influence in her life, since childhood.  it wasn't a choice this slave made from a "completely independent individual" perspective.  this slave has spent about 3 weeks of her 42 years of life being a "completely independent individual" and she almost ended up dead from the experience.
 
the hardest part of "submission", for this slave, is limiting it to the individual she entered into a relationship with.  the commitment that she made to submit ONLY to one was something that she conciously entered into, after much thought, meditation, prayer and deliberation.
 
it isn't anywhere close to a "one-true-way", it's just the way this slave has experienced submission...and this slave completely understands why her experience with submission would be a total turn-off to most, vanilla or otherwise, including, but not limited to, the OP of this very thread.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I think the answer to that might have alot to do with some of what Merc and Beth have created together, and discussed here on the forums.

Perhaps finding that one special dominant partner anchors them and gives them boundaries they need so that they don't just run around submitting willy nilly.

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

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it's very unfortunate that so many view the type of submission that those like myself, beth and so many others have to offer as not valuable, not special, simply because it is a core aspect of our personalities. it's also very unfortunate that most cannot see the unique type of strength that it takes to live life as such a submissive.

you ask why i am with my Master over any other joe blow, if it is my nature to submit to anyone. well, there is a difference between submitting to someone, and giving yourself to someone. i did not choose to submit to my Master...that came naturally. but i chose to give myself to him, to hand myself over entirely to him, because i saw and felt who he was and that he was the One i was placed on this earth for. He immediately saw something highly treasured and precious in my type of submission, something he had longed to have in a mate but had never really hoped to find. the tamed lioness never appealed to him. the on/off type of submission never appealed to him. even the inspirational type of submission never appealed to him. but knowing that a woman's submission is simply an intrinsic part of her as much as her skin or eye color, that it was pure, unconscious and unforced, that appealed to him very much. someone who could accept him and his very dominant nature, with whom he could explore endless possibilities and who would never attempt to engage him in silly power struggles. and also, someone who really and truly NEEDED him, needed his guidance and authority, his structure and discipline, his protection and love.

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ORIGINAL: agirl

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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...i know that there are some on the site, yourself included prop who say that you are submissive to everyone, so that makes me wonder why are you with your Master over someone else if your submission is not a choice or doesn't need to be inspired at all...

this slave will take a stab at it.
 
this slave needs no inspiration or specific criteria met, in order to submit to another.  it's like breathing in and out.  if that makes it not "special" or a "choice" or some other flowery thing like "inspiration", this slave really can't help that.  it is what it is.
 
the decision to enter into an intimate M/s relationship with another and submit ONLY to them, is indeed a choice...that all sorts of folk make.  this slave made the decision to submit to ONLY one...after consulting with the one who had remained as the Dominant Influence in her life, since childhood.  it wasn't a choice this slave made from a "completely independent individual" perspective.  this slave has spent about 3 weeks of her 42 years of life being a "completely independent individual" and she almost ended up dead from the experience.
 
the hardest part of "submission", for this slave, is limiting it to the individual she entered into a relationship with.  the commitment that she made to submit ONLY to one was something that she conciously entered into, after much thought, meditation, prayer and deliberation.
 
it isn't anywhere close to a "one-true-way", it's just the way this slave has experienced submission...and this slave completely understands why her experience with submission would be a total turn-off to most, vanilla or otherwise, including, but not limited to, the OP of this very thread.

No, It isn't a *turn-off* , it's just outside of my experience because of the person *I* am.

I cannot, no matter how I try, *get it*. What comes naturally to you doesn't, to me.

I can indentify with plenty of little aspects of the things you share here, as I can with daddysprop too. But I will never have whatever it took for you to be beth or daddysprop to be daddysprop.

And sincerely ..... it's fucking refreshing.

agirl

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ORIGINAL: agirl

I see no-one's replied to your post domi..... so I'll assume it's to me ....lol

I know what's OLD ......... and that's the fact that you've posted 6162 times and haven't dragged me to your cave and fucked me yet.

agirl

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

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ORIGINAL: agirl

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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...i know that there are some on the site, yourself included prop who say that you are submissive to everyone, so that makes me wonder why are you with your Master over someone else if your submission is not a choice or doesn't need to be inspired at all...

this slave will take a stab at it.
 
this slave needs no inspiration or specific criteria met, in order to submit to another.  it's like breathing in and out.  if that makes it not "special" or a "choice" or some other flowery thing like "inspiration", this slave really can't help that.  it is what it is.
 
the decision to enter into an intimate M/s relationship with another and submit ONLY to them, is indeed a choice...that all sorts of folk make.  this slave made the decision to submit to ONLY one...after consulting with the one who had remained as the Dominant Influence in her life, since childhood.  it wasn't a choice this slave made from a "completely independent individual" perspective.  this slave has spent about 3 weeks of her 42 years of life being a "completely independent individual" and she almost ended up dead from the experience.
 
the hardest part of "submission", for this slave, is limiting it to the individual she entered into a relationship with.  the commitment that she made to submit ONLY to one was something that she conciously entered into, after much thought, meditation, prayer and deliberation.
 
it isn't anywhere close to a "one-true-way", it's just the way this slave has experienced submission...and this slave completely understands why her experience with submission would be a total turn-off to most, vanilla or otherwise, including, but not limited to, the OP of this very thread.

No, It isn't a *turn-off* , it's just outside of my experience because of the person *I* am.

I cannot, no matter how I try, *get it*. What comes naturally to you doesn't, to me.

I can indentify with plenty of little aspects of the things you share here, as I can with daddysprop too. But I will never have whatever it took for you to be beth or daddysprop to be daddysprop.

And sincerely ..... it's fucking refreshing.

agirl

hi agirl. like you, i find it refreshing that we're not all cut from the same molds, and that whatever the nature of your submission or dominance you can find a path and a partner just right for you. i totally get that you cannot understand the way i submit or where such a drive comes from. likewise, i can't understand your submission. but i think it's cool that exists, that it's out there. that you freely admit to not being very submissive, but still choosing to submit to your Sir. that it seems to go against your general nature, makes it fascinating to me and want to ask you way too many nosey questions, lol.

it's really too bad that others can't have a similar attitude, and appreciate the differences between us rather than use those differences as some sort of hierarchy or divisive ploy.

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...does being submissive to everyone mean that you can not say no to anyone or anyone's request...orig: heartfeltsub

well, maybe not EXACTLY, but that's the closest this slave could come to a comparison.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Many dominants like myself have the power to dominate meetings, people we meet on the street, situations, business deals, gun fights, or whatever. Doing so is an adversarial contest, one we tend to win by browbeating, overpowering, force of will, or whatever else it takes.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

I want to walk with a lioness on the end of my leash, one fully capable of ripping my head off. There is the excitement, there is the challenge, and there lies MY goal, my partner, my woman.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Conditional submission is dominance. It may be perceived as "strength", but from the perspective of who dictates the actions and activities, it is what it is. Is it "Good" or "Bad"? Not material anymore than what is/isn't perceived as "strength". The bottom line "success" has only one indicator - partners happy and content with each other.