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Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 8:22:57 AM   
Eir


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Status: offline 		I was reading a post from some girl that spoke of her master had scarified her on the chest... he had carved WHORE to her chest for punishment for her bad behavior and now she is not sure what to do... she is no longer the belonging of that master and now she wants that mark away...

My question is why do people mark themselfs that way? I would NEVER alow a master of mine to scarify me or put a tattoo on me! Sure I have tattoos but both of them have a meaning to me, the one on my anckle was a birthday gift from my best friends when I was 18 years old and The Rose is in loving memory of my friend that died last spring...
A tattoo has to have a deeper meaning then just to be a signal of submission because can we really be sure that the relationship will last?

To the subs : Would you alow your master to carve or brand or give you a tattoo that had no meaning exept you were his slave? And if you would... what would it mean to you if you would break up?

To the Doms : If you would to carve, brand or give your slave a tattoo as a sign of her submission to you how would you react when/if the relationship would end and she/he would tell you that she/ would like to get rid of it and wanted you to join the cost because it's REALLY expensive to get something like that away...

I wonder... if I would ever get a tattoo, a brand or get carved for someone the person would have to mean the world to me!

Just thinking.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 8:29:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Eir
My question is why do people mark themselfs that way?

The meaning, the permanency, the symbolism, the marking of one's property.
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A tattoo has to have a deeper meaning then just to be a signal of submission because can we really be sure that the relationship will last?

A symbol can be whatever you want it to be. For me a tattoo is a symbol of something in your life. Whether that something lasts forever, hopefull the tattoo will always bring that experience back to you.
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To the subs : Would you alow your master to carve or brand or give you a tattoo that had no meaning exept you were his slave? And if you would... what would it mean to you if you would break up?

Yes. It would mean that we had that connection and that I had a memory of that.

I did know someone one whose ex carved his SSN onto her back when they were teens and it still showed up after she showered. I thought that was a pretty stupid idea but it was what worked for them at the time.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 8:39:53 AM   
Eir


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Status: offline 		Mmmm... true, this is just something that I am not sure I could do, I have my tattoos as reminders of love... I love my friend that I lost and my friends that gave me the first one gave me a symbol that is so me in a way

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 8:39:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to say that permanent markings such as branding, scarifying and tattooing are common in long term, committed BDSM relationships. From what I personally have seen they are relatively tame in nature, i.e. a symbol whose meaning is not easily discernable to the vanilla world. Such things as the triskele, a black or blue rose, a name, or a barcode are all good examples of such. Or anything that would be overtly lifestyle in nature would be placed so that only someone who would see you naked would see it.

Personally, before I put permanent marking on someone, they would have to be wearing my collar for quite some time (read that as a few years), and I would have to be very sure of their place in my life and home. From my point of view as the Domme, I don't want someone that I've released, for any reason, walking around with my claim of ownership on them.

I have yet to find that special boy that I would even consider moving up past a training collar, let alone tatto his ass with my crest...mmmm, maybe someday, drifts dreamily off into a daydream of boy-friday...

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 8:48:05 AM   
Eir


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Status: offline 		Thank you! This was the kind of answer I was looking for :D

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 8:49:15 AM   
JohnWarren


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I did know someone one whose ex carved his SSN onto her back when they were teens and it still showed up after she showered. I thought that was a pretty stupid idea but it was what worked for them at the time.


Hmm, at least she has the opportunity now to ruin his life with a little identity theft.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 8:49:33 AM   
LadySiraufgaube


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Status: offline 		My boy wants my tattoo but I am waiting, we haven't been together all that long and while things are great and I expect them to stay that way I want to be sure before we take that step. I know that tattoos can be removed with lasers these days nor do I intend the tattoo do be huge and in plain view. But still it is a permanent marking and as such it has to have a permanent meaning.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 8:54:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think that when people break up they tend to get so caught up in the reasons the relationship failed that all of the good that was obviously there at one time gets obscured from their vision. It really is a personal choice though on how you wish to view it. You can certainly concentrate your thought on the negative and view that person with hate and contempt....or you can choose to embrace the memories of the times spent and the moments that made up the reason you were together in the first place. Some people want any reminders of that person gone. They take and cut up pictures or hang them on the dart board...lol. They burn things, break things or throw them to the trash. Some folks though prefer to hang on to those little things to remind them of the good times, the love, the growth.....or even just the lesson learned.

My ex Master pierced my clit hood. That was his choice....his mark. It signified something that we had together. It was one of his ways of expressing his ownership of me. I also have a tattoo, that while it was not his design, it was something that we chose together, went and had done together....and it was with his consent that it is there. Now seeing as I said ex, obviously we are no longer together. I certainly could have removed the ring with little difficulty, unlike the girl you refer to. But I have chosen to keep it. It reminds me of the good that once was and does not serve as a reminder of the negativity at the end.

He was a good man and I learned and grew immensely under his guidance. For me though, the ending does not negate the relationship. It does not detract from his value and all of the positive things he brought to my life. It does not erase 11 years of commitment.

As for markings any markings that are of a permanent nature, I think that anyone considering such needs to seriously consider all of the possibilites....including how it might make you feel if things don't work out....before you consent to having them. It is you, after all, who will have to bear that mark forever.



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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 8:57:47 AM   
Eir


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Status: offline 		True... you could have gotten rid of it but that girl has this scar forever unless she gets it away with cosmetic surgery... that's what's got me worried... I have good and bad memories of my relationships as a sub but they are somthing I learned from... it's part of me but I wouldn't want to have ended up with a scar or somthing of that kind...

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 9:00:00 AM   
mistoferin


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it's part of me but I wouldn't want to have ended up with a scar or somthing of that kind...


Which is why it is so important that we consider the responsibilities that are attached to our choices in life....and be ready to assume those responsibilities.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 9:04:49 AM   
Eir


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Status: offline 		It's the reason why I have scarifycation as one of the things on my hard limitlist ;)

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 9:20:24 AM   
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My question is why do people mark themselfs that way?


"people" mark themselves in a variety of ways for a variety of reasons....sometimes you have to know the culture or the meaning of the symbol in order to get a peek into why.

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I would NEVER alow a master of mine to scarify me or put a tattoo on me! Sure I have tattoos but both of them have a meaning to me, the one on my anckle was a birthday gift from my best friends when I was 18 years old and The Rose is in loving memory of my friend that died last spring...


there are also people who would NEVER accept a tattoo as a birthday gift from one of their best friends or get one as some sort of memorialization for someone who has died. For some, their relationship with their Master, in the here and now, has more meaning than friends, past or present and therefore they might see a mark of ownership from their Master as a gift of infinite depth.

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To the subs : Would you alow your master to carve or brand or give you a tattoo that had no meaning exept you were his slave? And if you would... what would it mean to you if you would break up?


the decision to become Master's slave was one of the MOST important decisions this slave has ever made. this slave gave decision making authority over every aspect of her body to Master upon becoming His slave.....that goes for permanent or non-permanent decoration, including but not limited to--body modification of ANY kind(tattoos, brands, piercings, implants, whatever) If we broke up? this slave would mourn His passing, pray for His soul as it goes on from this earthly journey and cherish the time this slave was allowed to serve Him and any changes to this slave(physical or otherwise) as a result of that service.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 9:23:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Branding, scarifying and tattooing are all hard limits for me. I am happy that my Dom isn't interested in that at all. Now, I could possibly see getting a small tattoo if he wanted me too sometime down the road but I don't think he will want me to.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 9:28:59 AM   
Eir


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Status: offline 		Thank you thank you! I understand you compleatly, I have my tattoos for my own reasons... I hate scars... so yeah You are lucky to have a dom like that

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 9:32:09 AM   
Eir


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Status: offline 		I understand your thoughts... I for my reasons would never alow someone I wasn't sure that would matter to me all my life mark me in a perminate way... The tattoo I got as a birthdays gift is symbolic for me and my personality... for what I am...
The Rose is in my best friends memory, he did and I couldn't do anything to stop him, he was a big part of my life and always will... The Rose is just to remind me that he will leave me all alone in this world.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 9:32:42 AM   
veronicaofML


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i have a huge tattoo on my butt from my 1st domme

and my 2nd domme is not too damned thrilled to see it all the time

does this help?

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 9:35:43 AM   
typesgirl


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Status: offline 		This is a great topic. I have a tattoo on my back (the dragonfly you can see in my second profile photo) the I got especially for Master. I call him Dragonfly so the symbol means something to both of us. Almost the equivalent of a wedding ring or a permanent collar. He didn't ask me to get it. I asked Him to allow me to get it. It's a symbol, not degrading, and it's pretty enough that even if something were to happen between U/us I would still enjoy looking at it.
I'm very into tattoos but i would never get one so specific or so degrading that it would bother me later. I enjoy the permanence of my dragonfly and my getting it was a sign of my devotion and my intention to always be His.
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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 9:42:43 AM   
Eir


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Status: offline 		HAHAH yes this helps ;) Getting more spanked are we?

This is surely one of the reasons why I am not willing to get a tattoo or something from a dom ;)

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 9:45:35 AM   
Eir


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Status: offline 		I love tattoos myself :) Just love them :D

I would like one as a marking of my submission if I were to ask for it like you did :D

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 9:57:11 AM   
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I for my reasons would never alow someone I wasn't sure that would matter to me all my life


If your "not sure" at the time you enter in a relationship maybe you shouldn't get into it; the relationship not the marking.

This morning we starting planning our wedding ceremony. It will be attended by family and friends, vanilla and flavored. We'll go through the process of becoming a "legal" couple. Yet what we did four years ago in a Venice, CA tattoo shop will have had more significance, than what will occur at the Venetian in Vegas. We were sure then, we're sure now.

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