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Vendaval -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 4:42:47 PM)

Emporer 1956,
 
I have adopted, raised, sheltered, neutered and spayed canines and felines for years.  Right now my living circumstances do not permit but one feline companion.




ChainGoddess -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 4:46:13 PM)

So,  you wouldn't get your animals neutered or spayed,  because you felt a tingling in your' nether regions'?  Diddums. 
You have taken a helpless dog and dropped him off far away from home thinking he would find his Eutopia?  Hell,that doggie  may even get a mortgage and find a new job and life will be just peachy.   
You want to know all our thoughts?  No you bloody well do not!!
Sweet Jesus,  I thought I had heard it all before,  now I have. 




MissMorrigan -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 4:49:22 PM)

Emperor, you work in that field so can you explain the process involved in reporting a stray animal? I'm just trying to wrap my head around why someone would avoid that process and opt for shooting a stray, but I think I already know the answer, which also lies in why someone would opt to travel several miles to dump an animal, therefore making it someone else's problem.  I can't help but think with the bizarre posts tonight that we're all on a huge wind-up spree... have we reached April already?  Why else would someone avoid contact with the authorities, but notify a board of faceless people that they're regularly engaging in acts of animal abuse.




kiyari -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 4:49:43 PM)

Aighty Folks, it's the Firm and Treasure Freak Show

Here's our Choices...

Firm sez: Compassion! Drive 'em far away and toss 'em out tha window

Treasure sez: No! That's just Wrong! Shoot 'em in the haid!

Vote Now!




TreasureKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 4:59:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

... why the OP when Firm knew of the kind of responses he was likely to receive. Emotional masochism.


Not hardly.  The reason Firm began this thread was because it was noted elsewhere that he and I always agree here on the forums.  While we do agree on most things, there are some areas where we don't... those areas just haven't made it onto the forums.

Well, now they have.  Voluntarily.  [;)]

Oh... and yes, Firm knew he'd catch hell for his position.  I said as much to him and expressed doubt that many people would take his side.  He made a good point in his response to me... they might not publicly admit it, but if so few people really felt the way he does, there'd be a lot less animal dumping going on.  Having lived 20 years in a rural setting, I do know that lots of dogs are dumped in the country.  I was fortunate in that the county I lived in at the time didn't charge to come pick up strays.






kittinSol -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:02:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kiyari

Aighty Folks, it's the Firm and Treasure Freak Show

Here's our Choices...

Firm sez: Compassion! Drive 'em far away and toss 'em out tha window

Treasure sez: No! That's just Wrong! Shoot 'em in the haid!

Vote Now!


Huh... the animal testing laboratory. I hear Bausch & Lomb pay good dough for live strays. Who said the spirit of free enterprise was dead [X(] ?




kittinSol -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:06:02 PM)

Edited.




TreasureKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:14:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Edited.


Good choice.  [;)]




kiyari -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:22:47 PM)

Umm... aighty. You and kittin got something going on, have you?




kittinSol -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:23:13 PM)

A mere case of double-posting [;)] .

PS: Kiyari... NO way [:D] .




kiyari -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:25:06 PM)

kittin! you have sold out (I read the before deleted, and it was no double post). :(

Edited to Add: kittin: LOL, aighty, surely you had your reasons.




kittinSol -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:26:01 PM)

Shup.




Aylee -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:26:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956


And that raises a question, although considering the dishonesty and flagrant stupidity of those who cheer on the OP for his "manly" stance I expect no honest answers:  How many of you put your money and lives where your big mouths are?  How many of you have adopted rescue animals?  How many of you have donated your money and/or your time to a shelter in the past...oh lets be generous...10 years?


I have.  Several cats and three dogs.  Currently, one of my two cats was born a feral, but was found by a co-worker after a severe storm and the mother had not rescued it with its brothers and sisters.  The other is a kitten born of a feral that was found and taken in (not by me) because she was pregnant. 

The animals that I had as a child growing-up were also in the "unwanted animal" category.  One of our labs we got because it was left at the vets because its owner did not want to pay its vet bill after it was injured. 




Emperor1956 -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:28:40 PM)

Miss Morrigan (and all):

First, let me make it clear I do NOT work in the area of animal control/animal rights.  I am a long-time volunteer.   My wife and I have been active in various animal shelters for many years, and we tend to like the less glamorous tasks (I love washing and grooming dogs, for instance).  I have done animal rescue, screening and unfortunately I am trained to euthanize (although in Illinois this cannot be done by an unlicensed person).

To answer your question:  If a person has an animal complaint about a DOMESTIC animal (the rules for wild animals are radically different, interesting enough) then in Illinois, they simply need to phone their county animal control agency.  There is no fee or chargeback (notwithstanding the bullshit you see posted above).  There may be a consequence in that the same animal control officers who do domestic animal rescue can investigate abuse charges, but one assumes that a well-intentioned non-abuser needn't worry.  In incorporated areas, there is also usually a municipal animal control function, and they too may be called.

It is even easier to drop off a stray at a shelter.  There is pretty much a "no questions" rule -- although the shelter workers will often ask where the animal was found and if the person dropping it off knows the owner, these answers are not required.  And routinely people drive up, shove an animal out of the car, and drive away.  Or the famously stupid leave a box of kittens on the doorstep of a shelter in sub-zero weather. 

Why would someone choose to shoot a stray or dump it in a neighboring farm area instead of doing the honorable thing?  I have no idea.  But as you well know, selfish assholes abound.  Ask one?

To make this tale less grim, I will report that one of my dogs is the product of a lovely purebred rottie who literally walked into a shelter in southern Wisconsin, about 4 weeks shy of giving birth.  The story is that the door opened one day, and Sadie sauntered in.  Presumaby she was dumped.  She was microchipped, although the "reported owners" did not answer phone or mail inquiries and local police said that the family had left the area.  Anyway, like any royal Rottweiler, Sadie instantly became both the queen and darling of the shelter.  She would not however identify the commoner who knocked her up, but based on one of her sons (now 4 years old) I'm thinking a big black Lab, or a Newf.  He's a BIG boy (over 110 lbs, and not an ounce of it fat), with rottie markings and rottie strength, but an amazing water resistant coat). 

E.




TreasureKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:31:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kiyari

Umm... aighty. You and Kitten got something going on, have you?


I haven't decided if it's me or Firm that she's got it bad for.  I have to keep reminding her that Firm isn't available.  She follows us around the forums... kinda reminds me of the little boy who pulls the pigtails of the girl he likes.  [;)]




SomethingCatchy -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:41:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

... why the OP when Firm knew of the kind of responses he was likely to receive. Emotional masochism.


Not hardly.  The reason Firm began this thread was because it was noted elsewhere that he and I always agree here on the forums.  While we do agree on most things, there are some areas where we don't... those areas just haven't made it onto the forums.

Well, now they have.  Voluntarily.  [;)]

Oh... and yes, Firm knew he'd catch hell for his position.  I said as much to him and expressed doubt that many people would take his side.  He made a good point in his response to me... they might not publicly admit it, but if so few people really felt the way he does, there'd be a lot less animal dumping going on.  Having lived 20 years in a rural setting, I do know that lots of dogs are dumped in the country.  I was fortunate in that the county I lived in at the time didn't charge to come pick up strays.






*shakes head* I can't believe I fell for the whole 'Lets start a controversial topic about animal abuse and shooting dogs in the head instead of putting them to sleep so that people can see that we don't always agree' game.




kiyari -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:45:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

I haven't decided if it's me or Firm that she's got it bad for. 
I have to keep reminding her that Firm isn't available. 
She follows us around the forums... kinda reminds me of the little boy who pulls the pigtails of the girl he likes.  [;)]



My gosh! Neither of you pugs (goldi n fish-boy) can find hats for those bloated noggins, can you?

Poor old things *snickers*




TreasureKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:46:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SomethingCatchy

*shakes head* I can't believe I fell for the whole 'Lets start a controversial topic about animal abuse and shooting dogs in the head instead of putting them to sleep so that people can see that we don't always agree' game.


Regardless of how it started, it is still a valid discussion.  If it makes people think, that's a good thing.  [;)]




LaTigresse -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:48:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Unless a dog is a purebred and a prime example of it's breed worthy to breed more of it's kind, it should be spayed or neutered.


I don't know so much about judging a pet for it's breedworthiness, but I feel that anyone who doesn't spay or neuter their pets, should be held responsible for the offspring.



I agree.




TreasureKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 5:48:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kiyari

My gosh! Neither of you pugs (goldi n fish-boy) can find hats for those bloated noggins, can you?

Poor old things *snickers*


*sighs*  Yes, it is a problem. 

[;)]




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