Eleutherios
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Joined: 6/6/2006 From: Houston, Tx Status: offline
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CatdeMedici, it was brought to my attention that I might receive responses such as yours, but I thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify. I understand that this is not a terribly rare request, and everyone here likely sees it so often that they've become jaded towards the idea and are ready to assume the worst of anyone posing it. But you do bring up valid points that should be addressed. I hope I can cover them all to everyone's satisfaction. I probably have not explained this very well so far because, although I have given it much thought, this is the first time I have materialized my thoughts in any medium. So, I'm still learning about what I want out of this, in a way. Please be patient with me and allow me to address what I think are probably misunderstandings due to my ineffective communication. I realize I can not be master of all things. This isn't a new concept for me, though I have struggled with being content when not in control, I certainly realize it is a fact of life. I am not an arrogant or domineering person at all. I'm not an obvious dominant. I am laid back and easy going. I don't mean to give the impression that I am a control freak in all my life. I think perhaps I overstated that aspect of why I want to learn to submit. I am not seeking to be fixed. I want to learn more about my self and share that experience with someone I care about, admire and respect. You're assessment that I feel like I "must win at all costs to make up for times in my life I'm not in control" is completely inaccurate. I'm afraid I don't understand how you made that leap, but it truly does not describe me. I am a generally humble person, and I've never been competitive. It has nothing to do with "winning." I have no desire to have a "battle of wills" the idea is actually quite a turn off. What I desire is a give and take. I do not think I've laid down any gauntlet. I described it as a challenge, it would probably be better described as an opportunity. Were I to hear such a request, I would appreciate the opportunity to get to know someone well enough to help them grow. I guess I call it a challenge simply because it requires effort and patience. Not because I would fight with my mentor. Does that make more sense? quote:
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I know exactly what it feels like. And I hate it. I hate submitting in every aspect of my life. I do it, of course, as we all do from day to day. But I would be a much happier and well adjusted person if I could learn to be content when not in control. It is the wise person who realizes they cannot master all things, there will always be someone better, faster, smarter. To learn the art of negotiation, give and take, thrust and parry is to understand how to maneuver through life-it does not denote any form of submission in the context of BDSM--in real life we are all submissives to something, someone--parents, employers, the government, etc etc etc--to feel that you are less than because you cannot control it all IMHO is fool hardy and far from realistic. To think you must control all is arrogance not the mark of a Dominant, it is the mark of "domineering"--rule number one, learn the difference. quote:
A reasonable suggestion, one I've considered. But a therapist can not strip me bare of my control over my self. Of course not, because for you it is a mental challenge, you must win at all costs to make up for the times in your life you are not in control--you will respond the same way with a Domina--an embittered battle of wills is never pretty. No they cannot strip you bare, but they can help you define a more productive way to use and accept it. quote:
wanted to also add... I'm trained in therapy and psych... It's too easy for me to manipulate and deceive the therapist, even non-intentionally. I need someone domineering with strong will power that won't take no for an answer. Always a response when someone is challenged, "i've been trained in xx so I know better" mhm. A good Dominant is NOT domineering--Dominance and submission is not a battle of wills where one is forced to acquiesce. Dominance is only as good as the submission it inspires and vice versa. Its not a matter of Me not taking no for an answer its a matter that No is not an option. As a Dominant, I am far from omnipotent, My sub knows this, I would not have a sub who did think I was all knowing-what he does know and can DEPEND on is that I will always seek the information needed to make informed decisions, to guide him/Us and the family in an intelligent and realistic manner-even at times acquiescing. Just because chezz makes better meatballs or knows his way around New York, doesn't mean I am submissive to him in any manner, it means I am a smart cookie. Dominance is not breaking of the will, it is the melding into an environment of growth--but melding with permission. quote:
And don't worry... I'm well adjusted enough. My personal issues don't run so deep that I really need therapy. This is more about better my self as a person with new experiences and gaining wisdom. To gain wisdom, one must acknowledge that they know nothing, until you are there, it will always be your way or no way and that will never work. quote:
Personally, if I was approached with such a request, I'd love the challenge ... I don't see Dominance as a challenge nor would I, I am not here for a tug of war, I am here to lead, to blend, to help grow and to nurture-not for a conquest-conquests are boring, they are no win situations, I have to deal with those in everyday life, I don't expect them in My private life. You may think you have thrown down the gauntlet, but I guarantee, many a wise Domina will say, "pfftt, nice gauntlet, have a nice day". A good D/s relationship is about each walking away with some satisfaction, each putting skin in the game, each acquiescing in certain areas. I am afraid you have mistaken Female Dominance with those erotic ads with the man subdued with the boot heel. quote:
And I'd relish the opportunity to be a part of someone's personal growth. But I'm not most people. We do and we are everyday, but I can assure you not to the battle of forcing someone to submit--that's where most fail--its not a battle of wills, its not the domineering bitch from hell--its a dance on the saber, carefully negotiated, carefully choreographed and carefully executed. quote:
And I'd really like to know the best way to go about approaching someone about this... From the dominant's perspective, I don't imagine she would really be required to do anything very out of the ordinary compared to how she usually dominates. It is very out of the ordinary--our subs come to us comfortable with their desire for submission, prepared for the acquiescence. The ones who come armed with passive aggressive dominance, pretty much don't make the buddy list, at least not Mine.
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