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agirl -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 12:45:59 PM)
I also thought that the thread was regarding bdsm etc. What does it matter how much respect anyone THINKS they deserve..you'll either get it or you won't. If my sprogs go for it, am I meant to claim some sort of respect because it's also MY interest and I explored it first? The stuff I want to do and wish to encorporate into my life is entirely my own. It's ludicrous to suggest anyone have some kind of automatic respect for anything. On a personal level it's even more silly. agirl

lovingpet -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 1:11:07 PM)
My momma has a bit of a mantra she lives by to get through the workday. "Respect the position, if not the person." I think that is more to the point. There are folks who have made all of the possible outlets available for us. This goes in a lot of realms, but in this case we are talking about BDSM. I am going to follow the rules of a dungeon and respect its property and the wishes of the owners and staff because I respect that they have made this available to me to use. I think there is some level of just basic courtesy to be afforded those who did the hard work of the past in order that others may continue it and hopefully improve upon it. It does not mean that because they did slay all our dragons and we have to roll up our sleeves too does not mean what they have done should not be recognized. Often, I find activists to be twits and overly absorbed in their little microcomsic cause (no matter the cause, btw). I respect what they are doing, but do not always think the nobility of what they are doing is necessarily a reflection of their own personal integrity. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Honor the past and the contributions people have made, but all of us, regardless of the "generation", need to be looking to make sure the future will be even better. Don't rest on your laurels and somehow feel antiquated, but do not forget your history either. We need energy and wisdom to move forward. lovingpet

LadyPact -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 1:32:41 PM)
Ok, first of all. Dude, everybody wants to be Merc. LOL. I tend to think he and his beth are living the way they want that makes them happy. Now, who doesn't want that?

feydeplume -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 1:44:09 PM)
I am having a thought (shocker i know, don't worry it will pass) Some of us, the dinosaurs here, are talking about the COMMUNITY, our part in it and our sense of belonging to it and the not-yet dinosaurs are talking about their own experiences and perhaps their COMMUNITY and their sense of belonging. The dinosaur community didn't have the issues that the not-yet dinos have and vice versa. And let's be fair on all sides here... Us dino's don't really know what issues they are facing or how they are going to manage to earn respect for themselves and what they will choose to do when or if they come together. We don't know really what it feels like to grow up where BDSM is a joke instead of a crime. Respect it or not, you live it everyday. I nor Merc not anyone on here is saying "you must respect us simply because we are". We know that you guys live in a world of online fakers and lies and webcams so a) why would you believe us b) who has taught you the history of your community? And you not-yet dino's don't know what it was like for us to come together but you have seen what we have done. We haven't beat (literally in many communities) the history into you and pushed and honed you like those that came before us did to us. We just put up webpages and wrote books and make playspaces and did what seemed to us to be a good idea at the time. And some people don't even think they are part of a community, even tho they post here daily. The definition of community is different, the people and method of the community is different. If you want to respect us for all or anything that we have done, great. if not fine. But please take to heart one bit of advice that was given to us and that we pass on as often as we can; Have fun, do it because you love it and it seems like a good idea and fills your heart and mind. LIVE don't just exist. Lovingpet, I am totally with you. I honor what those that came before me did, but i knew some of them and they were just people. I am damned proud of what i have done, but i too am just a person. I hope that i can respect what you do with the situation and circumstances that YOU have, but i will always know that you too are just a person.

feydeplume -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 1:46:12 PM)
i'd rather be beth But then, to me, I already am. This girl is fulfilled and joyous to be allowed to serve and please her Owner.

Evility -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 2:17:21 PM)
I've been doing what I do for a long time but I have never pictured myself as someone who was forging new frontiers. I was only pursuing something that I enjoyed - at times before I even understood why I enjoyed it. I rarely see eye to eye with any of those folks who do consider themselves to be ground breakers so I really couldn't give a shit about what they think. They use words like 'lifestyle' and 'scene' and their style and mindset doesn't relate to mine at all.

feydeplume -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 2:23:50 PM)
yanno we are reallly stretching the metaphor to breaking point now. And maybe we will run into at the Folsom this year. we haven't been in a few years and it might just be time to reconnect or disconnect or get naked and party in the street.

phoenixrising43 -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 2:29:35 PM)
I am living the way that makes me happy. Wouldn't want to be anyone else. Best way to be I think. But I hear ya. :) Have to be happy and content yourself before you can be that way with anyone else. My way of thinking is...to never follow the herd and do what you enjoy as long as it doesn't bring harm to anyone else. :) For me BDSM play and D/s are enhancements to my life, same as scuba diving and travel and other relationships and things enhance my life. They all are passions, and we all have different passions. And we are always forging our way in varying directions in life, and we don't always agree or move in similar directions, but that is what makes life fun. [:)]

windchymes -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 2:37:04 PM)
I don't think it's a matter of being dinosaurs or that your time has passed, not at all. Rather, and I DON"T mean this in an uncomplimentary way, it's that you're just not as unique as you once were. Since it's so easily accessed and advertised and available over the internet, BDSM has lost a lot of it's "dark & mysterious" persona, and I think the general population as a whole has become desensitized to it to one degree or another. Personally, I think you so-called "dinosaurs" fucking rock! [:)] I only wish it had been accessible to me much earlier in my life than only the past 10 years-ish, which is about the time I got my first computer with internet access. And no, I didn't just discover it online and jump on the bandwagon, it's something I was interested in for most of my life, but I never told anyone or did anything about it. With my upbringing and locale growing up, that was something that only "bad" people did, lol.

Prinsexx -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 3:21:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact This isn't going to be a popular thread. I know this already, not just from the current condition of Collar Me, but the life in general. A while back, I was watching something on TV. Some spin off of the original Star Trek series. In the context, the character said that those of today had a debt to those who paved the way. Even though their actions would never be tolerated in that world. The places they went and the things they did would never be acceptable. While they were honored in history, their time was gone. Yes, it was a stupid, bullshit show, but has that prophecy come to pass? Are those of us who explored this world seen the end of an era? Are we dinosaurs? Has our time come to an end? I'm still a Captain Kirk. I'm proud to be one. I still remember answering ads in the Blue Oyster, rather than logging on. I was part of the old days and the old ways. I'm out numbered, it seems. Where are the rest of you? I was asked the other day how long had I been submiive..I said since the day I was born. The truth is that that is so and it is to do with me being a twin and the submissive of the two. All my relationships were submissive: I always took the 'submissive's' position, mostly always kneeled to give oral, took whatever punishments came my way, knew how that turned partners on, always felt perfect when in service, rarely took the initiative in sex and adored being told what to do, was gang banged as a teen, remember Date Line lol, with six telephone calls permitted on sign-up, always hid being poly in the hope of not looking weird, experiemented with my bisexuality, re-call the very first day of porn at Time Outsopening party, the early days of dial up chat rooms when there was time to chat and agl? could be asked as proper sentences, endless empty carparks for dogging and....jeeees those were the days of SCARCITY when each meet was pressure and it seemed there was a great deal more chivalry, hedonism and less serious overload. I don't think it's better just because 'kinky sex' has become almost mainstrem...it's gtill fun to be able to call into Ann Summers as a last resort and still fun to have loads of on-line friends and adnorers. Above all though today is much freer: there is no need for homosexulaity to be done in secret places, needles and melatonin can be got easily on-line, and mobile phones and compiters make it so eay to keep in touch with, what as long distance encounters, would never have otherwise turned into permanent life choices. And above all I am so glad to have had all of those experiences that above all have taught me a healthy respect for the lifestyle, a fascination for those living it with ingenuity and personal style. Above all I have the realisation that it was never just a passing phase. It is never going to go away. My submission has indeed served me well.

Knite064 -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 3:22:17 PM)
Having been loosely involved in this lifestyle for well over twenty years i still remember being stunned when i first found the internet had lifestyle chats and forums, i have to say ive only ever viewed anyones involvement now or twenty years ago as a small part of its ,(like anything in life ) evolution. There is no doubt that the internet has had both a positive and negative effect in this lifestyles well being but from the positive i would say that certainly for me its been the singular most advanced stepping stone in the floggers history and thats thanks to the new and old within the lifestyle. BDSM was around in one form or another long before the oldest of us here was born and will most likely be around in a more open envireoment when the youngest of us here no longer is......and even then i hear the whispers of future voices stating " it aint what it was "

domiguy -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 3:23:42 PM)
They could flush the majority of this whole thing down the toilet for all I care. It is rather naive to think of this on the terms of acceptance. There are so many fucked up people on this thing...Damaged beyond repair. I owe no one shit. In fact i will dance on the grave of the last old school Dom. There are far too many that look upon this thang as the end all beat all...(no pun intended). If this is the reason you wake up in the morning...Get a fucking life! Find a hobby. Go green. Read a book. Lose some weight. Go back to school. Plant a tree. You want to parade someone around as your pet out in public and look for acceptance... Then you have lost your mind. Want to treat a woman like shit out in public and not expect to have someone step in? Good luck with that. Die Old Guard! And take all of your black leather and menacing looks with you.

SimplyMichael -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 3:23:49 PM)
Lady Pact, ALL of us, even those sacred being who lived before the internet owe something to those who live before them. As such, I don't owe anyone anything. I mean who bowed and scraped before the first monkey to walk upright, or the first guy who invented alcohol or skinned an animal and created leather, or discoverd that cocks can go in lots of holes, or what about that bastard who brought syphilus to humanity by fucking a sheep. We all owe where we are to someone else. Hell, we could whine and bitch about all the crap the "old guard" and the rest dumped on us. Dysfunction and overly rigid social structures. Ugly leather caps. Glory holes. We could also bill for the things we have brought. More enlightened relationship skills. Bigger communities. Vastly better education and knowledge sharing. Less inbred communities. So no, I don't think anyone "owes" something to someone else in the community, stand on your own two feet or get out of my way.

LadyPact -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 3:30:28 PM)
Hey, Buddy. I happen to like My leather cap. LOL. Seriously, folks. I started this as a bullshit thread. I wanted to find a way to provoke a discussion about past, present, and future, and it was the only way I could think of that hadn't been rehashed. However, the replies it has received have been absolutely stellar. I hope the discussion will continue.

CatdeMedici -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 4:56:38 PM)
I don't know what to say, I responded based on My life, My beliefs and not 2 hours ago, I feel like--obsolete. Here is My story: I have a friend and his mate--several years agom they found Me here to mentor, they had problems with their D/s orientation not matching and not knowing how to get their groove going--I spent time with them, got them grounded and even through some serious marital issues. They learned to find it, meld it deal with it--fast forward 5 years-I got a call this evening, "WOW this virtual stuff rocks, i'm out of the closet, i'm free, i'm participating in stuff that frees me"--" "she" is too"--"i spend hours a day participating with really nice people in hardcore BDSM, well people like me, i feel so free---second life, redlight--i am happier than i have ever been".. uhm, uh, I espouse class, dignity, the Victorian approach--I have My standards, My parameters---My "history"? I am not an explorer, I am antiquated, I fear addiction, I fear a massive confusion between reality and virtuality-- I am I fear--extinct in one small keystroke.

OneMoreWaste -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 5:06:15 PM)
I'm totally a red shirt. [:o]

LadyHibiscus -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 8:37:39 PM)
I think it's important to remember the past, regardless of the topic or situation. I also think that times change, and we old dinosaurs have to learn to adapt somewhat---and keep on pushing the good things down these whippersnappers' throats! Keep your hands to yourselves! Clean up your mess! Fire burns! Who knows what the scene will look like in another twenty years? Those of us who actually answered ads in magazines will be like pioneers. :)

YoursMistress -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 9:25:42 PM)
Miss, Being a Star Trek fan, I'd have to say that I see myself more as a Commander Data, fighting against having an "emotion" chip implanted. It's interesting for me to explore the realms of human emotion in fantasy settings (a la the holodeck, if you will), but I struggle with the inability to understand and effectively utilize human emotions in real personal relationships. yours

IronBear -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 10:05:37 PM)
I've ben called an silly old fart, a dinosaur and an anacronism because I'm not so much set in my ways, but I keep to the old ways where honour, chivalry, good manners, and where a man stood the line and defended what he believed to be right and fuck the torpedoes. For me some things need change and others should still be venerated, something which youth today disagrees and scoffs at with their in your face, abrasive and belligerant attitudes. Do I give a damn? I should jolly well say: "Nay verily Nay!". I follow the beat of my own drum and still find many who are beating the same tune..

Vendaval -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/25/2009 10:58:25 PM)
Way back in the ole times before we had electricity or the wheel...[;)] quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus Who knows what the scene will look like in another twenty years? Those of us who actually answered ads in magazines will be like pioneers. :)

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