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ShaktiSama -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 2:37:43 PM)

Innaresting thread. My entrance into BDSM as a personal lifestyle predates my knowledge of a "community" and my entrance into the "community" predated my presence on the Internet, but I don't really expect anyone to care when they meet me; I don't think I've made any major contributions to the "community" or the "lifestyle" that have merited more than ordinary courtesy from people meeting me for the first time.



LadyPact -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 2:43:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Besides, if I was going to be a character from StarTrek, it would either be some battle scarred old Klingon, someone like Martock, missing one eye but a being with a deep well of humanity under the grim exterior and a wife who is both beautiful and cunning, or Sisko, a shrewed charismatic leader who knows how to bribe without being bought, comprimise without undermining his goals, and who loves and fights with the same intense passion.

Well, in that sense, it's completely understandable that I'm not Kirk.  I'd have to be some combination of a Klingon female and that green chick that Kirk banged in the original.  If I'm going to be a sci-fi character, it's going to be one of those where My sexual exploits would be the type that are legends in the universe.



Vendaval -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 2:44:49 PM)

Go Lady Pact! 



LaTigresse -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 2:46:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Besides, if I was going to be a character from StarTrek, it would either be some battle scarred old Klingon, someone like Martock, missing one eye but a being with a deep well of humanity under the grim exterior and a wife who is both beautiful and cunning, or Sisko, a shrewed charismatic leader who knows how to bribe without being bought, comprimise without undermining his goals, and who loves and fights with the same intense passion.


I am such a dork I haven't a clue what/who most of that even is.



Vendaval -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 2:47:52 PM)

That's a great idea, I had totally forgot about Nerf guns!
 
Electric play is one of my favorites.  [:D]


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ORIGINAL: feydeplume
oh we had the wheel all right.. 5 or 6 points of contact and "spin the subby", although i think we called it something else at the time and were armed with nerf guns.

And we had electricity, just not so many attachments or so many kits. And then there were tazers....



BossyShoeBitch -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 2:51:12 PM)

Pssst.. LaT, he talks like that all the time.  I never had the heart to tell him I have no idea what/who all that is either!  LOL



CreativeDominant -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 3:28:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: junecleaver

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Perhaps I am wrong but other than your own words expressing that benefitting you directly earns your respect, I see no other answers.

Yes, you are wrong.  You've pretty much taken what I said out of context.  Once again, place it in the context of the BDSM community. 

I'll tackle the personal statements about me first...

I do give others the respect I feel I deserve.  What I do not give them is gratitude/honor for things they feel they did/discovered/pioneered, when I feel differently.  Hard to believe...but you can disagree with someone and still respect them.  Of course, this is a concept my mother and many authority figures I had as a child couldn't reconcile.
Perhaps they could not reconcile it because they saw that you came to the table with that feeling already in place before you even knew the accomplishments/life struggles/failures/triumphs of the others you had not met yet? 

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No one automatically earns my disdain.  They do something to lose it.  I give basic respect...like making eye-contact, being friendly, not encroaching personal space, not interrupting the person speaking, not gossiping...inside and outside of BDSM circles.

Benefitting me directly does not necessarily earn my respect.  Although, I am certainly grateful to the people in my life who have taught me and helped me along my own path, both alive and dead.  A person who is worthy of my respect is...a person worthy of my respect lol.  I'm not going to give detailed description..but it's someone who again within the context of BDSM...has the kinky skills, the relationship skills, and the integretity.  It is definitely not someone who feels the need to constantly point to how cool old guard pre-internet secret leather meeting gay bar protocol whatever they are or tells me to be grateful for the fact they spent heir life following their own path which happens to involve BDSM.  I don't respect them because of their ATTITUDE of entitlement, paroticularly when they have done nothing more than fulfill themselves...not because they didn't benefit me.
And the attitude you describe...a feeling of entitle3ment for having done nothing more than living their life in a manner that benefitted no one while being a blowhard...is not worthy of respect and can become quite tiresome. But...if you look closer and see that while they might not have been the ones giving speeches but were instead in the crowd at rallies for gay/lesbian rights or kink rights or whatever, doing what they could to promote understanding by just being there and adding to the numbers, then they have helped make things a bit easier. It takes time but I would imagine that it is easier to find a gay bar now or a BDSM club...and a lot less frightening to walk into it than it was 20-30-40 years ago.
I'm grateful for that and respect that even if I disagree with their flogging techniques or disrespect their relationship skills.
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I see a lot of kinky smart and emotionally dumb people in the scene.  But then again...I see a lot of emotionally dumb people in RL.  It is the emotionally mature people with amazing communication skills that garner my respect.

I very seriously doubt anyone like Jay Wisemen or Midori would demand my honor or more respect than the average human deserves from me, a person they do not know and to whom they have no ties.  They don't need to shout out about how much people should respect them, because they are already getting the respect in the quantity they deserve.  That's what usually happens when people are deserving, the respect becomes a natural response of their peers.

Worship was a little bit of a hyperbole.  The point I was trying to make with the football jock example is.... people who don't even appreciate football 'worship' the football jock...not in appreciation of his skills but as a way to fit in.  So if a teenage girl tells me about what an amazing football player and therefore amazing person the jock must be...is that credible?  Well, she knows nothing of football or him.  Sometimes, we can handle leadership in a similar way.
And sometimes, because others DO worship/admire/respect others for what some people perceive to be wrong reasons, then human nature being what it is...contrary...makes those people withhold respect/admiration.

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You haven't made BDSM acceptable to my parents or my friends.  You probably won't.  When you can get the average churchy baptist-y community to accept BDSM, then I will give you a big gold star to represent my own personal respect and admiration.

So in summation...

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The problem for me is that there are too many who think they paved the way for everyone else, but all they really did was hog the spotlight in the past, and now want to hog the spotlight in the present, as if they did something to earn that spotlight.


What he said...
And there are far too many that are ready to jump to a preconceived negative notion of what others have done or have not done. What HE said...





domiguy -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 3:42:21 PM)

If I was a character from Star Trek, I would be some sort of rock monster.  I inevitably would be subjected to having sex with Captain Kirk.  I think it would hurt.



feydeplume -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 3:54:13 PM)

nah you would be one of those hawt guys on that pleasure planet.

*goes all daydreaming about costumes, outdoor sex, and Merc and beth on shore leave*



OneMoreWaste -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 4:10:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hopelessfool
First off in MANY towns and states bdsm ISNT accepted. Meaning you didnt make it easier for people to live their lives as they wish to live their lives.


As a Bible Belt buccaneer, I gotta agree with that one.

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Second it wasnt the 'dinosaur' that brought about sites like this. It was the invention of the internet, and if i remember my comhis classes the internet wasnt invented by someone kinky.


Having the explosion of interest in/acceptance of/promotion of BDSM contemporary with the birth of the 'net certainly confuses things. With that said, while we don't know the precise sexual preferences of the 'Net fathers, we do know that it was created solely for the exchange of pornographic materials, so we can certainly give them props.  [:D]



OrionTheWolf -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 4:43:59 PM)

One of the very few constants in life........is change.



MarsBonfire -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 4:49:14 PM)

I've been in to BDSM for the last... oh, god, has it really been 27 years? Since 1982... yeah, it's been that long. I too remember answering ads from a contact paper. In my case, the Rocky Mountian Oyster. I remember meeting people in some of the crummiest bars and resuraunts. I remember going home with some of them, wondering if I was going to end up at the bottom of some pit wrapped in plastic with quick lime dumped on top of me.

Do we owe a debt of thanks to those who came before?

Hell yes.

For one:

Race Bannon and others worked their asses off to get our designation changed in the DSM book. We are no longer considered a mental disorder.

Thank you guys.

For another:

There were a ton of people who fought against Colorado's Ammenment #2, to make sure that the religious right didn't get a legal foothold in considering sexual minorities a national scapegoat.

Thank you, folks.

There's Pat Califia, Midori, Dr. Jack Morin, Dossie Easton and Catherine A. Lizst, R.D. Fenwick, Larry Townsend, Lady Greene, the nice folks at Good Vibrations, the nice folks at your local sex and/or leather shops, and the folks who go balls out and host munches and play parties in your area (despite the risk they could get arrested) and the hundreds and hundreds of other authors, artists and advocates who help give us all outlets, and places to learn. The folks who gave us QUALITY INFORMATION.

Thank you. Without you guys, we'd all be operating in the dark, making furtive, dangerous leiasons in dirty back rooms... or else just sitting at home, knowing we could NEVER do that in real life... Life in the BDSM world has gotten fantastically better because of you people. I love each and every one of you SOB's like family!

Yeah. No man is an island. Our present situation is the reuslt of a lot of people taking risks (but also making some money in return, or getting first crack at the new meat they've flushed out of the bushes, so to speak.) Some of you can sit back and claim that you are "big bad Doms" and don't owe nobody nothin'! Sure. Feel free to believe it. I know otherwise. I know the truth of the situation.



MarsBonfire -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 4:54:03 PM)

Oh, and if I were a Trek character? It would be "pansy" Piccard... at least he knew how to negotiate. (Something of prime importance in BDSM... but I'm not surprised that some seem to think little of it.)



LadyPact -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 4:57:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

There were a ton of people who fought against Colorado's Ammenment #2, to make sure that the religious right didn't get a legal foothold in considering sexual minorities a national scapegoat.


Now that part, I was there for.  Right in Colorado Springs where it started and just never seemed to stop.  I still think of Perkins as little more than a hate monger.  Even with the repeal (I'll remind you that it did pass) the backlash was terrible.



kdsub -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 5:02:50 PM)

I'm sure each generation has had the same sentiment from the beginning...this generation will be no different...

But expressing it does say something about age...[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m9.gif[/image]



Kana -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 5:54:12 PM)

One word-flying sidekick



feydeplume -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 6:41:20 PM)

This thread reminded of a song...

I was tired of my lady, we'd been together too long.
Like a worn-out recording, of a favorite song.
So while she lay there sleeping, I read the paper in bed.
And in the personals column, there was this letter I read:

If you like Pina Coladas, and getting caught in the rain.
If you're not into yoga, if you have half-a-brain.
If you like making love at midnight, in the dunes of the cape.
I'm the lady you've looked for, write to me, and escape.


I didn't think about my lady, I know that sounds kind of mean.
But me and my old lady, had fallen into the same old dull routine.
So I wrote to the paper, took out a personal ad.
And though I'm nobody's poet, I thought it wasn't half-bad.

Yes, I like Pina Coladas, and getting caught in the rain.
I'm not much into health food, I am into champagne.
I've got to meet you by tomorrow noon, and cut through all this red tape.
At a bar called O'Malley's, where we'll plan our escape.

So I waited with high hopes, then she walked in the place.
I knew her smile in an instant, I knew the curve of her face.
It was my own lovely lady, and she said, "Oh, it's you."
And we laughed for a moment, and I said, I never knew...
Now we have NIN and Razed and lots others but my mind is full of disco and cold meds.



LadyPact -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 6:48:53 PM)

Now I'm waiting for Stella to come along and do either the Captain Kirk or Lady Pact version of that.  LOL.



Kana -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 9:34:28 PM)

I just have to throw this up here. Not that I am a Trekkie, but someone gave me a copy years ago and it cracked me up.

Top 100 Reasons Why Captain Kirk is Better Than Captain Picard
100. Kirk is a leader, not a follower.
99. Kirk never really got into that kinky "Jumpsuit" look.
98. Kirk has sex more than once a season.
97. One Word: Hair.
96. Another Word: Pretty-good-looking-can't-see-the-weave-WIG.
95. Kirk can beat up a Klingon bare-handed.
94. Picard is a French man with an English accent.
93. Kirk would date Beverly Crusher -- and damn the consequences!!
92. Kirk never drinks tea. Ever.
91. Diplomacy for Kirk is a phaser and a smirk.
90. Kirk would personally throw Wesley off his bridge.
89. Two words: Shoulder Roll.
88. Kirk doesn't wear dresses when admirals arrive for lunch.
87. Kirk once said: "I've got a belly-ache -- and it's a beauty."
86. Kirk would never sing to children in a crisis.
85. Kirk can almost drive a stick shift.
84. Kirk, almost single-handedly, re-populated the Earth's whale population.
83. Kirk says "Prime Directive? What Prime Directive?"
82. Kirk knows 20th Century curses.
81. Kirk was NEVER infiltrated by the Borg and used against the Federation.
80. Kirk ate little coloured cubes and still remained relatively healthy.
79. Kirk made do with obviously low performance technology.
78. Kirk never pretends to be a barber in order to gain a tactical advantage.
77. Kirk wasn't shy about taking his shirt off --even around those pesky Yeomans.
76. Kirk would never waste a holodeck on something stupid like Dixon Hill.
75. Kirk never once stood up and had to straighten his shirt.
74. One Word: Velour.
73. Kirk can beat a Vulcan at Chess.
72. When Kirk was Picard's age, he retired from Admiral and took to climbing rocks.
71. When Picard was 37, he was only Captain of the lowly freighter, Stargazer. When Kirk was 37, he was Captain of the flagship Enterprise.
70. Kirk liked a good belt of liquor every now and again.
69. One Word: Iman.
68. Kirk looks good with a ripped shirt.
67. If Kirk ever met a Ferengi, he would rip off its head and shit down its neck.
66. Kirk says "Shoot first and wait for retaliation."
65. Kirk's first officer NEVER tells him to stay on the bridge.
64. Kirk never leaves the room to bawl somebody out.
63. Kirk doesn't rely on the wisdom of some dumb old janitor to get him out of intergalactic scrapes.
62. Two Words: Funky Sideburns.
61. Kirk never asks his bartender for advice.
60. Kirk never once said "Abandon ship! All hands abandon ship!"
59. Kirk is not politically correct.
58. Kirk never got "dumped" by a woman for an intergalactic busy body named after a letter of the alphabet.
57. Kirk never wore green tights and frolicked about in Sherwood Forest.
56. If there was ever a Klingon on Kirk's bridge, Kirk would likely be dead.
55. Ever hear of a bar shooter called "Make it so?" No? How about a "Beam me up Scotty" then? See the difference?
54. One Word: Miniskirts.
53. Kirk's girlfriends always look good in soft light.
52. Kirk never went anywhere without a whole bunch of guys in red shirts.
51. Kirk's first officer didn't play some wimpy instrument like the trombone.
50. Kirk had more dates than his first officer.
49. The extent of Kirk's knowledge of Klingon vocabulary can be roughly translated as "GO F*CK YOURSELF."
48. If something doesn't speak English -- it's toast.
47. Kirk wasn't some prissy archaeology fan.
46. Picard's middle name isn't tough or awe-inspiring like Tiberius is.
45. If Kirk finds a strange spinning probe, he blows it up.
44. Picard never met Joan Collins.
43. Picard flunked his entrance exams to Starfleet.
42 Picard hasn't fathered any children; Kirk -- probably millions.
41. Kirk has a cool phaser -- not some pansy Braun mix-master.
40. Two Words: Line Delivery.
39. Picard grew up on a quaint little French vineyard, squishing grapes with his toes, while Kirk slung bails of wheat and hay in Iowa to put himself through school.
38. Kirk emphasizes his orations with pertinent hand gestures.
37. Kirk once made a cannon out of bamboo, sulphur, potassium nitrate, charcoal and then fired diamonds into the hearts of his enemies. (Need we say more?)
36. Kirk is not put off by green skin.
35. Kirk knows how to deal with peace loving hippy goofs.
34. Kirk once fought a Greek god. And won.
33. Kirk barely asks for suggestions. And if he does, he asks Spock only.
32. Kirk doesn't let the doctor tell him what to do.
31. One Word: Fisticuffs.
30. Kirk's name is hated throughout the galaxy.
29. Kirk appreciates Shakespeare, but he doesn't let it show.
28. You can never lock up Kirk for very long.
27. Kirk's eulogies can actually make you cry.
26. Kirk plays god with lesser cultures, and then exploits them for resources.
25. Kirk's son would never drop out to become a musician.
24. Kirk can climb up a Jeffries Tube and fix anything.
23. Kirk never hired an engineer with punk glasses.
22. The Klingons didn't have a word for surrender -- until they met Kirk.
21. Kirk's bridge is not beige.
20. Two Words: Crane Shots.
19. Picard likes wimpy violin music -- and coerces Data into playing it.
18. Picard allows cats on board, while Kirk beams away even really cute things, like Tribbles.
17. Kirk is a cultural icon -- Picard is just some guy who's really nice.
16. Kirk specifically ordered a swivel LA-Z-BOY for the bridge.
15. Kirk would never touch SYNTHAHOL.
14. Kirk looks distinguished in reading glasses -- and nobody dares to call him "four eyes."
13. Kirk can infiltrate Gangsters, Nazis, and even the Pentagon -- easily.
12. Picard likes painting nudes, for art's sake.
11. When Kirk doesn't trust the Romulans, he fires at them. When Picard doesn't trust the Romulans, he gets fired at.
10. Kirk never once, ever, wore a wiener wrapping Speedo banana hammock on shore leave.
9. Kirk never gets his command codes locked out by some pimply acting ensign.
8. Kirk doesn't test the engines -- he just fires them up.
7. When Kirk says "Boldly Go," he MEANS it.
6. Three Words: Flying Leg Kick.
5. Picard's crew would never ever think of him as a sexual object.
4. Kirk traveled through The Great Barrier, met God, and wasn't even impressed.
3. Kirk's bedroom is a passion pit with electric sheets.
2. Kirk would never let his Chief of Security wear a ponytail.
1. One Word: Balls!



IronBear -> RE: The Captain Kirk's (2/26/2009 10:42:04 PM)

Happy are they who know who they are, know what they are and who know their place on the wheel of life. To be a leader one doesn’t need to blow bugles and wave flags but they may oft lead by example. There is much in the past which is of value and worth much even though it may go against popular idioms or is too hard for the weak minded to follow through. Of course I speak of good manners, gracious demeanor (a velvet glove mistaken for weakness, hiding a steel fist). Better to how by example the benefits and worth of chivalry, courtesy and being known as honourable that shouting it from the roof tops where it will fall on deaf ears..



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