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RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 8:49:19 PM   
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just the facts madam

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the vast majority of all people do not desire to participate in this lifestyle


Cite your source. I agree with Redmagic.
 
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OK I'll ask you a question.... what percentage of the general population participates in BDSM? I don’t have the number but common sense tells me we are a small percent.

Now given we are a small percentage… doesn’t that lead to the conclusion that there or less of us than them.

Being less means fewer to choose from. Nothing sinister.

Now of those that do participate… just looking at the profiles I have seen… there are many more submissive… Of these a good portion have a kink that the op does not desire.

This further limits her possibilities

Of those left most are dominant men that even further limit her possibilities.

Yes there are both men and women that meet all the qualifications but they are few and far between…feel lucky if you find one.


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RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 8:52:11 PM   
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And what kinds of husbands do they get?  Geeeshh....



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RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 8:56:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		5-10% of the U.S. engages in SM for sexual pleasure on at least an occasional basis (Lowe, 1983).
12% of females and 22% of males reported erotic response to a SM story (Kinsey, Martin, Gebhard, 1953).
55% of females and 50% of males reported having responded erotically to being bitten (Kinsey, Martin, Gebhard, 1953).
14% of men and 11% of women have had some sexual experience with sadomasochism (Janus & Janus, 1993).
  • 11% of men and 17% of women reported trying bondage (Lowe, 1983).
    Note that this is mostly from the 1980s, or well before.  The term "BDSM" had not even been invented when these studies were being conducted.  (Its vintage is 1992 or so.)  It's a safe bet those percentages are way higher now.


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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:02:30 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: DavanKael

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    ORIGINAL: kdsub

    You see many here have problems… they are not your normal funny fit guys…those people are mostly normal and do not participate in the lifestyle.

    Lets face it most normal adjusted men have no desire to be dominated by a woman. Face this as well most normal well adjusted women do not want to dominate men.

    So… your choices are severely limited and you will have to join the rest of us trying to find that rare man or woman…Just don’t hold your breath.
    Butch


    Hi, Butch----
    I am sorry that you have such a dim view of people and apparently yourself...unless you're kidding, which I actually hope you are, and I am being dense. 
    I've found kinky people to cross-section out just like society at large in lots of ways.  I don't think there are inherent physical 'flaws' or psychological ones as prerequisites. 
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    Hi Davan
    I don't look at my comments as a dim view...I sure didn't mean that to be the case. I got in trouble using abnormal to describe homosexuality so you would think I would have learned my lesson. Maybe if you just substitute average in every place I used normal it would look better.

    By the way I like Heinlein too but I'm a Starship Trooper kind of guy.

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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:03:27 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: kdsub

    You see many here have problems… they are not your normal funny fit guys…those people are mostly normal and do not participate in the lifestyle.

    Lets face it most normal adjusted men have no desire to be dominated by a woman. Face this as well most normal well adjusted women do not want to dominate men.

    So… your choices are severely limited and you will have to join the rest of us trying to find that rare man or woman…Just don’t hold your breath.
    Butch


    I've met several sweet, fit, STRAIGHT, intelligent well-adjusted guys on this site.  Maybe it's my location.  I've also received countless emails with pictures of asses attached or descriptions of vile (... just vile) activities.  It's hit or miss. 

    As far as, "Lets face it most normal adjusted men have no desire to be dominated by a woman." -- it's just not true.  I think most men fantasize about it to varying degrees.  I've trained 'nilla guys into it and they're never the same after. 

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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:04:27 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: kdsub

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    ORIGINAL: MoGa

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    just the facts madam

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    the vast majority of all people do not desire to participate in this lifestyle


    Cite your source. I agree with Redmagic.
     
    MoGa


    OK I'll ask you a question.... what percentage of the general population participates in BDSM? I don’t have the number but common sense tells me we are a small percent.

    I don't need to know the percentage of the general population that participates in wiitwd. I am not the one who came on here and told all of us that we are abnormal because of wiitwd. You are. And if you are going to be spouting off about things that you seem to lack knowledge of, then yes, I am going to call you on it. Your common sense does not make it a fact. It just makes it your own opinion. And if it is only your opinion, then don't make such a sweeping generalization.

    Now given we are a small percentage… doesn’t that lead to the conclusion that there or less of us than them.

    Again, you are assuming that we are a small percentage. Again cite your source. I will not base any of my conclusions on someone who just told me that I am abnormal for practicing what I love to do. I also will not do your work for you, you come in here and offer your opinions as if they are facts, I say back those opinions up with solid data, then we have something to talk about.

    Being less means fewer to choose from. Nothing sinister.

    Ditto my above response.





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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:06:50 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

    5-10% of the U.S. engages in SM for sexual pleasure on at least an occasional basis (Lowe, 1983).
    12% of females and 22% of males reported erotic response to a SM story (Kinsey, Martin, Gebhard, 1953).
    55% of females and 50% of males reported having responded erotically to being bitten (Kinsey, Martin, Gebhard, 1953).
    14% of men and 11% of women have had some sexual experience with sadomasochism (Janus & Janus, 1993).
  • 11% of men and 17% of women reported trying bondage (Lowe, 1983).
    Note that this is mostly from the 1980s, or well before.  The term "BDSM" had not even been invented when these studies were being conducted.  (Its vintage is 1992 or so.)  It's a safe bet those percentages are way higher now.


    • Now this is what I am talking about right here! Here is someone who comes well armed with data to back his claims. <Hugs Red>
     
    Kd, where is yours?
     
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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:09:50 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: kdsub

    Hi Davan
    I don't look at my comments as a dim view...I sure didn't mean that to be the case. I got in trouble using abnormal to describe homosexuality so you would think I would have learned my lesson. Maybe if you just substitute average in every place I used normal it would look better.

    By the way I like Heinlein too but I'm a Starship Trooper kind of guy.

    Butch


    Yep, using "average" instead of "normal" would get your head bitten off less but the Op isn't looking for somone "average" anyway; I don't think any of us are.... :)

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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:11:00 PM   
    kdsub


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    Status: offline     		Any more arguing my position will come out as condemning lifestyles and people so I’m done.

    I’ll just leave my comments to the ether to be judged by those that read them. I think from outside the lifestyle most would agree with my comments… while within most will disagree.

    Again because there are more outside then inside the lifestyle…I WIN  I WIN...

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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:15:06 PM   
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    Status: offline     		This is the point where I just have to say, that normality is based on the ideas of a culture that is constantly in a state of flux, what is normal today will not be in the coming days.

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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:15:22 PM   
    kdsub


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    ORIGINAL: MoGa

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    ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

    5-10% of the U.S. engages in SM for sexual pleasure on at least an occasional basis (Lowe, 1983).
    12% of females and 22% of males reported erotic response to a SM story (Kinsey, Martin, Gebhard, 1953).
    55% of females and 50% of males reported having responded erotically to being bitten (Kinsey, Martin, Gebhard, 1953).
    14% of men and 11% of women have had some sexual experience with sadomasochism (Janus & Janus, 1993).
  • 11% of men and 17% of women reported trying bondage (Lowe, 1983).
    Note that this is mostly from the 1980s, or well before.  The term "BDSM" had not even been invented when these studies were being conducted.  (Its vintage is 1992 or so.)  It's a safe bet those percentages are way higher now.


    • Now this is what I am talking about right here! Here is someone who comes well armed with data to back his claims. <Hugs Red>
     
    Kd, where is yours?
     
    MoGa


    See I just could not let it go...please tell me where the above statistics disprove my comments...If anything they prove them

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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:26:21 PM   
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    Status: offline     		I think it comes to the point of your wording, you are saying it as if it is a mental disorder, and I am relativly sure that a large crossection of people on here would argue with that type of look at it. And you may wish to note that the data presented is from the 80's so it is quite out of date, and from a time when people were less accepting of diferent lifestyles, than now-days.

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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:27:17 PM   
    MoGa


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    ORIGINAL: kdsub

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    ORIGINAL: MoGa

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    ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

    5-10% of the U.S. engages in SM for sexual pleasure on at least an occasional basis (Lowe, 1983).
    12% of females and 22% of males reported erotic response to a SM story (Kinsey, Martin, Gebhard, 1953).
    55% of females and 50% of males reported having responded erotically to being bitten (Kinsey, Martin, Gebhard, 1953).
    14% of men and 11% of women have had some sexual experience with sadomasochism (Janus & Janus, 1993).
  • 11% of men and 17% of women reported trying bondage (Lowe, 1983).
    Note that this is mostly from the 1980s, or well before.  The term "BDSM" had not even been invented when these studies were being conducted.  (Its vintage is 1992 or so.)  It's a safe bet those percentages are way higher now.


    • Now this is what I am talking about right here! Here is someone who comes well armed with data to back his claims. <Hugs Red>
     
    Kd, where is yours?
     
    MoGa


    See I just could not let it go...please tell me where the above statistics disprove my comments...If anything they prove them


    You missed my point entirely. It isn't that Red stated his sources, it is the fact that you did not, or could not. I can't stand passive/aggressive personalities, anymore than I can stand someone yelling I Win I Win, when they think they have won an argument. It shows such a child like mindset. That is the kindest thing I can say to you right now.
     
    Have a nice night.
     
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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:29:30 PM   
    Saint


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    ORIGINAL: MistressONYX

    Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves? I live in Vancouver, Canada and I cannot find them. I mean there are tons of bi and forced bi guys. I know there are so many chunky men or guys who want to relocate to live in a cage in my foyer.

    All I want is a guy who goes to the gym. One that does not send me photos of his gaping butthole. One who doesnt beg me to force him to suck off another guy. I am a hot black women. I am knowledgeable about equipment, own a playspace am educated and understand the BDSM lifestyle.

    There are a lot of males who want to tribute me but I want a lifestyle guy who hits the gym and is funny. Do they not exist in Vancouver? Not everyone on here wants your money.

    End of Rant :)


    It is simple. Those who do these things are generally successful in other areas of their life. Hence, they do not need this one and so you will not find them here. After all, if they are hitting the gym, in exellent shape both physically and mentally, then they have no need of this lifestyle as they already will have a good selection of people interested in them. Sorry to be a downer but it is best to be prepared for disappointment up front before you spend years on end wondering why.

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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:31:12 PM   
    kdsub


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    Status: offline     		So according to the statistics you think prove a point... that means;

    90 to 95 percent have never engaged in SM
    88 % of females 78% of men do not have an erotic response to a SM story
    What does bitten have to do with anything?
    86% of men 89% of women have no experience with sadomasochism
    89% of men 83% of women have never tried bondage.

    Again more of them than us... so less choices.

    Butch

    Yes the" I win" was childish... just my way to try and defuse a misunderstanding

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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:32:07 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

    5-10% of the U.S. engages in SM for sexual pleasure on at least an occasional basis (Lowe, 1983).
    12% of females and 22% of males reported erotic response to a SM story (Kinsey, Martin, Gebhard, 1953).
    55% of females and 50% of males reported having responded erotically to being bitten (Kinsey, Martin, Gebhard, 1953).
    14% of men and 11% of women have had some sexual experience with sadomasochism (Janus & Janus, 1993).
  • 11% of men and 17% of women reported trying bondage (Lowe, 1983).
    Note that this is mostly from the 1980s, or well before.  The term "BDSM" had not even been invented when these studies were being conducted.  (Its vintage is 1992 or so.)  It's a safe bet those percentages are way higher now.



    • Thank you for taking the time to get these stats Red.

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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:36:51 PM   
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    I'm not fit nor am I male, but I just have to say how much I love the new pic MoGa


    I took that pic of MoGa..it is my favorite one of her, she looks so pretty in it...though she was feeling no pain that night lmao

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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:37:23 PM   
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    If I said jumping from an airplane at 30,000 feet is fatal... would I need to provide you with statistics proving it?

    Some things are just obvious.

    But maybe we are missing each others point…I’ll try harder to understand yours.

    Butch

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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:40:24 PM   
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    Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves?


    Mine's sitting next to me on the couch playing XBOX.

    Like anything else, finding someone that fits your preferences is not always easy.

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    RE: Where are all the fit straight subs and slaves. - 3/12/2009 9:42:44 PM   
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    You see many here have problems… they are not your normal funny fit guys…those people are mostly normal and do not participate in the lifestyle.
    Lets face it most normal adjusted men have no desire to be dominated by a woman. Face this as well most normal well adjusted women do not want to dominate men.

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