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NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet Privacy - 1/28/2006 8:19:55 AM   
MasterZChicago


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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

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NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet Privacy

On January 20, 2006, the U.S. Justice Department subpoenaed Google to compel the
Internet search engine to turn over records on millions of its users' search
queries. NCSF believes that Internet users have the right to an expectation of
privacy in their web use, and supports Google's refusal to comply with the subpoena.

Google has stated that the government's request could expose identifying
information about its users, as well as being unnecessary, overly broad, and
onerous to comply with. The subpoena also requests a random list of a million Web
addresses in Google's index. If the disclosed search logs show evidence of criminal
activity, prosecutors could return with a second subpoena to demand the
identification of one or more Internet addresses linked with those search terms.

The government has requested the data to establish a profile of Internet use to
help defend the controversial 1998 Child Online Protection Act. Under COPA, website
operators face criminal charges for publishing sexually explicit material that may
be considered "harmful" to minors, unless they have a way of verifying that viewers
are over 17.

Though Google might be criticized for their business practices in China, where they
have filtered keywords like "human rights" and "democracy" out of their search-
engine results, in this case NCSF calls for support for Google in their opposition
against the U.S. government's subpoena for search queries.

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creating a political, legal, and social environment in the United States that
advances equal rights of consenting adults who practice forms of alternative sexual
expression. NCSF is primarily focused on the rights of consenting adults in the SM-
leather-fetish, swing, and polyamory communities, who often face discrimination
because of their sexual expression.

National Coalition for Sexual Freedom
822 Guilford Avenue, Box 127
Baltimore, MD 21202-3707
410-539-4824
[email protected]
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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/28/2006 12:23:37 PM   
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YAY for Google!!! Finally someone who doesn't bend over and take it up the ass for the US Justice Department. I do Google searches and am not an American, the US Justice Department has no right gaining access to my information.

I agree if there is an ongoing criminal investigation and the web activity of individuals named specifically in a subpeona are essential to the case, then Google may respond with only the specified information, but to go on a fishing expedition for people to charge whilst gaining at the same time information on people who have broken no law is unreasonable.
quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterZChicago

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

National Coalition for Sexual Freedom

Contact:
Susan Wright, NCSF Spokesperson
(917) 848-6544


NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet Privacy

On January 20, 2006, the U.S. Justice Department subpoenaed Google to compel the
Internet search engine to turn over records on millions of its users' search
queries. NCSF believes that Internet users have the right to an expectation of
privacy in their web use, and supports Google's refusal to comply with the subpoena.

Google has stated that the government's request could expose identifying
information about its users, as well as being unnecessary, overly broad, and
onerous to comply with. The subpoena also requests a random list of a million Web
addresses in Google's index. If the disclosed search logs show evidence of criminal
activity, prosecutors could return with a second subpoena to demand the
identification of one or more Internet addresses linked with those search terms.

The government has requested the data to establish a profile of Internet use to
help defend the controversial 1998 Child Online Protection Act. Under COPA, website
operators face criminal charges for publishing sexually explicit material that may
be considered "harmful" to minors, unless they have a way of verifying that viewers
are over 17.

Though Google might be criticized for their business practices in China, where they
have filtered keywords like "human rights" and "democracy" out of their search-
engine results, in this case NCSF calls for support for Google in their opposition
against the U.S. government's subpoena for search queries.

###

A Project of NCSF

The National Coalition for Sexual Freedom is a national organization committed to
creating a political, legal, and social environment in the United States that
advances equal rights of consenting adults who practice forms of alternative sexual
expression. NCSF is primarily focused on the rights of consenting adults in the SM-
leather-fetish, swing, and polyamory communities, who often face discrimination
because of their sexual expression.

National Coalition for Sexual Freedom
822 Guilford Avenue, Box 127
Baltimore, MD 21202-3707
410-539-4824
[email protected]
www.ncsfreedom.org



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http://www.masterzchicago.com/bio1.html

National Coalition for Sexual Freedom
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http://www.ncsfreedom.org/




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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/28/2006 1:45:07 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Laughing...well put.

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ORIGINAL: LadyShoshin

YAY for Google!!! Finally someone who doesn't bend over and take it up the ass for the US Justice Department.


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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/28/2006 2:26:27 PM   
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I agree with that. The Australian Govt follow the lead (like an obedient dog) of Bush and his cohorts enough I'm buggered if I'll agree with the US Justice Dept accessing my searches.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/28/2006 2:54:36 PM   
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HOT DAMN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree.. about sometime someone tells these fuckers that eaves dropping has got to stop!!!!

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/28/2006 7:32:26 PM   
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HOT DAMN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree.. about sometime someone tells these fuckers that eaves dropping has got to stop!!!!


First, this is far from the eves dropping that the FBI did.

I agree with the FBI on that issue.

However, on this, I agree with Google.

I have done many websearches that might have illegal material on them.

Does that mean that I have done something illegal?

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/28/2006 8:32:42 PM   
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While I disagree with the eavesdropping everyone is acting like domestic eavesdropping is a Bush invention, it's not. the US, UK, Australia, and just about every other country in the world does it. Dont single out Bush for something everyone does.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/28/2006 9:32:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NavyDDG54

While I disagree with the eavesdropping everyone is acting like domestic eavesdropping is a Bush invention, it's not. the US, UK, Australia, and just about every other country in the world does it. Dont single out Bush for something everyone does.


Other countries don't always have constitutions (a promise made by the government to the people.)

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/28/2006 9:57:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren


quote:

ORIGINAL: NavyDDG54

While I disagree with the eavesdropping everyone is acting like domestic eavesdropping is a Bush invention, it's not. the US, UK, Australia, and just about every other country in the world does it. Dont single out Bush for something everyone does.


Other countries don't always have constitutions (a promise made by the government to the people.)


This is so true...

Also the dipshit got caught red handed.

Wolffeathers... I agree with some reasons behind this.. not all. Being a mother, I would like to know that all predifiles and molesters are being monitored... hell screw the monitoring.. string the bastards up by their balls... (or tits depending on gender here... ).. but grrrr they too have rights. More so than the victims. I believe what google did was right on the money. Now if F B I comes up and says, we have proof and need this information... and they actually do.. I say go for it.. give them all they need and want....but because they suspect.... have reson to believe.. bullshit... Next thing you know.. they're knocking on your door.. because they suspect.. have reason to believe.. but have no proof.. of a damn thing. Come to think of it.. they do that shit now anyways..

It's not a matter of "have I've broken the law.. or done something wrong". It's the general principle. That's like I use to say.. not being a drug user.. what the hell do i care.. i've nothing to hide. That's besides the point.. it's not a matter of hiding anything.. it the simple fact that my privacy is being violated because of what i choose to do in the privacy of my home and or bedroom.. from smoking a joint to looking at porn on my PC.

Why go after the lookers of it... go after the fuckers putting the kiddie porn out there to start with. Then use their site informtion to go after the lookers. Why mess with google... and get the information on others that relly aren'tdoing anything wrong but getting further information in things that interrest them... from a sewing needle to being tied up and spanked.

Ok, going for a chill pill now... figured I talked too much here... on this subject... but I will leave with this final note....

Russia now has more freedom... rights.. privacy... than the USA... and it's people are the only ones to blame... because they sit back and allow their right to be taken from them. Untill they want to stand up for them.. and can't figure out where they are when they need them.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/28/2006 10:14:07 PM   
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I'm hoping Google "sticks to their guns".
Glad to see a STOP sign in place, it can only
help educate.


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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/28/2006 11:20:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truesub4u
Russia now has more freedom... rights.. privacy... than the USA... and it's people are the only ones to blame... because they sit back and allow their right to be taken from them. Untill they want to stand up for them.. and can't figure out where they are when they need them.


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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/28/2006 11:55:08 PM   
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Like others i have no problems with a legitimate investigation, however when other aspects of Government get hold of the same reports and then start using it to close down sites like CM because some right wigh radical religious bastard disagrees with anything alternative and has a mind set that those who dont follow his beliefs must be evil, bad for society and then uses laws to force his belief system down the public's throat then we are all in deep shit.... Like you Guys, we have a constitution of which I have a current copy. I resent any attempts to remove the rights that many Aussies under the Anzac banner fought and died to protect....... I may be severly disolusioned about the way our siociety is heading but fuck it all I'm an Aussie and bloody proud of my country and our heritage and what we have. I'm all for hanging, drawing and quatering any bastards who try to remove our rights on the old charge of Treason.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/29/2006 3:13:03 AM   
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I cant agree with the thread here, particularly when what we are realy talking about is abuse of children. I have no problem with consenting adults getting involved in whatever they like, but how can anyone think that it is alright to even use the words "sexual freedom" when a child in involved. Maybe you need to know how important children are, how vulnerable they are, how they are not able to make choices that affect their whole lives. Maybe you should look at those abused before making such statemnts about "sexual freedom". I have and there are too many shattered lives. This is where I get off the bus!!

And Google to allow the kind of government censorship in China, no use of freedom here of any kind, and yet come out on this side of the issue, well it goes to show how unpricipled they are.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/29/2006 3:25:08 AM   
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Move across the ditch ;)

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/29/2006 4:53:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: wetrope

I cant agree with the thread here, particularly when what we are realy talking about is abuse of children. I have no problem with consenting adults getting involved in whatever they like, but how can anyone think that it is alright to even use the words "sexual freedom" when a child in involved. Maybe you need to know how important children are, how vulnerable they are, how they are not able to make choices that affect their whole lives. Maybe you should look at those abused before making such statemnts about "sexual freedom". I have and there are too many shattered lives. This is where I get off the bus!!

And Google to allow the kind of government censorship in China, no use of freedom here of any kind, and yet come out on this side of the issue, well it goes to show how unpricipled they are.


It's the old "find a hot word" (treason, communism, fascism, Japanese militarism) and cloak your attempts to limit freedom under that flag.

The government says it is doing this to deal with child exploitation but nothing in the request limits the data to that.



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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/29/2006 5:19:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truesub4u
Wolffeathers... I agree with some reasons behind this.. not all. Being a mother, I would like to know that all predifiles and molesters are being monitored... hell screw the monitoring.. string the bastards up by their balls... (or tits depending on gender here... ).. but grrrr they too have rights. More so than the victims. I believe what google did was right on the money. Now if F B I comes up and says, we have proof and need this information... and they actually do.. I say go for it.. give them all they need and want....but because they suspect.... have reson to believe.. bullshit... Next thing you know.. they're knocking on your door.. because they suspect.. have reason to believe.. but have no proof.. of a damn thing. Come to think of it.. they do that shit now anyways..


You missed my point, methinks.

Evesdropping is the act of listening in on another conversation.

What the Justice Department is doing is not eves dropping.

Under the blanket of "Protecting the Children" it is attempting to get information on people.

This I do not agree with.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/29/2006 5:58:32 AM   
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Move across the ditch ;)


I've thought about that a lot, however my Malamute has arthritis and the cold would cause her too much pain and my own osteoarthritis wouldn't stand up to the cold either. I understand we have a better medical system here too and am informed a better support system for disabilities. But to visit NZ and visit Hobbiton and then fish for your famous rainbow trout would be a dream.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/29/2006 12:51:34 PM   
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wetrope

the issue is about the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights
and Adult Citizens rights to privacy over the rights of goverment
to take such rights away from the whole based off the rights
of a few, basically children who have not had their parents
do the job of parenting and have been targeted for child porn.
sad.

A few other times in history the Government tempted to
step in and change the constitution for a situation that
surrounded a select group of people the first one that
comes to My mind is the Anti Miscegenation Amendment.
The Constitution is always in Crisis from Government intervention
and incrementalism if We the People do not stand up against it
when such situation come to bare.

"When the government took the 2nd amendment away, I was silent because I didn't own guns.
When the government took the 4th amendment away, I was silent because I didn't deal drugs.
When the government took the 5th amendment away, I was silent because I was innocent.
Now the governments taken the 1st amendment away, and I can say nothing about it." ~smiles~

The Constitution has held up under such tempts to tear peices off its sides and the powers that be would like to change that slightly to accomidate their views. remember what George Washington said
Government is not reason nor eloquent, it is a force, and like fire it
is a dangerous servant that can become a fearful Master.

I think Benjamin Franklin said it best...
They that can give up one inch of their liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/29/2006 1:33:17 PM   
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History has shown that rights are won hard, lost easily and regained rarely. Sadly, we are discovering this all over again


Benjamin Franklin said: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

No greater truism has been uttered that applies so greatly towards our current administration.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 1/29/2006 1:44:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wetrope

I cant agree with the thread here, particularly when what we are realy talking about is abuse of children. I have no problem with consenting adults getting involved in whatever they like, but how can anyone think that it is alright to even use the words "sexual freedom" when a child in involved.


I work with kids that are often irreversibly damaged because of sexual trauma, but, unfortunately, I don't trust that this is truly the intent of this administration. It is only an opening to allow our current leaders to monitor us more closely. Like the eavesdropping, which is legal when a warrant is obtained up to 72 hours after the spying has taken place. With a law like that, why don't our current leaders think it applies to them! Easy enough to get, but they don't even have enough evidence to hold up under the very lenient system that is already in place. hence, they do what they want illegally.

Same with the Google demand. Who really knows what they want? I don't trust them at all. After they find the WMDs in Iraq, I'll think about forgiving them for the deaths of the more than 2,000 of our people and the 10s of thousands of innocent Iraqis.

Sorry for the rant.

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