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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

For those that speak of rights and liberty in such a loose way have never paid that price for freedom i have read things on nazism the books and articles i love history here is the best point i can come up with i was born in the us i love this country would not live anywhere else for years she has paid in blood for great things i have i could never repaythis but my loyalty and honor in a nut shell i have nothing to hide or to be ashamed of i am patriot all the way would do what ever the president asked of me you do not have to live in this country you have so much to be thank full for no place else could you go and said your opionions if you did you might be excuted like in china or korea
i am sure their other places like canada you can go and sqawk about how unrightous we are
there so many preditors and people that hate this country its not funny i am all for what the president does only people that complain are the ones that usely have things to hide most of the time not leagle try looking a little deeper in history

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

For those that speak of rights and liberty in such a loose way have never paid that price for freedom

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i have read things on nazism the books and articles i love history

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here is the best point i can come up with i was born in the us i love this country would not live anywhere else

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for years she has paid in blood for great things i have i could never repaythis but my loyalty and honor in a nut shell i have nothing to hide or to be ashamed of i am patriot all the way would do what ever the president asked of me

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you do not have to live in this country you have so much to be thank full for no place else could you go and said your opionions if you did you might be excuted like in china or korea

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i am sure their other places like canada you can go and sqawk about how unrightous we are
there so many preditors and people that hate this country its not funny i am all for what the president does only people that complain are the ones that usely have things to hide most of the time not leagle try looking a little deeper in history

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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

But good news, bush is gone at the end of his term, there is hope with the next president. Who'd of thought to say.. "lets hope the next one is like bill clinton.. the horny bastard"

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

i wanted to make an addition i wonder if you were faced with those same issues of that day if you would say the same things humm
sean and glen beck rules they just tell it like it is thats a fact jack

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

i wanted to make an addition i wonder if you were faced with those same issues of that day if you would say the same things humm
sean and glen beck rules they just tell it like it is thats a fact jack

namaste
latexbaby

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

i wanted to make an addition i wonder if you were faced with those same issues of that day if you would say the same things humm
sean and glen beck rules they just tell it like it is thats a fact jack

We will have to agree to disagree on this issue, I'm afraid. You see, if I were faced with the same questions back in the day, latexbaby, I would be a rebel fighting at the side of Founding Fathers. You on the other hand, by your own logic of following the leader of the country without question, would have been loyal to King George and the British Crown.

In the military, soldiers and junior officers have, not only the right, but the _duty_ to refuse illegal orders. And while I'm sure as hell no screaming liberal, I'm not blind to the illegal acts that are being prepetrated by the current administration.

I am a patriot. I am a believer in the Constitution of the United States. The government of the United States governs with the consent of the people. And when that government becomes so corrupt, when it flaunts illegal acts in the face of the governed, when that government seeks to line the pockets of it's members and partisan supporters with money taken from you and me, then we, as a people have the right, and the duty, to revoke our consent to be governed.

The government of these United States is SUPPOSED to be a government of the people, by the people, and FOR the people. Sadly, it no longer is. It has become a government of the wealthy, by the corporations, and for the greedy. There is little to no sense of right or wrong, or justice, or truth to be found in Washington. There is simply politics as usual, and divide and conquer the spoils of power.

So follow your president blindly. And when the FBI knocks on your door, and arrests you because you've been posting to an illegal SM oriented discussion board, because your favorite porn site has been found to be obscene in a backwater Alabama town with a population of 50, because you bought a sex toy to use with someone you are not married to... Go with your head held high, secure in the knowledge that you are a "patriot" for supporting illegal wiretapping, for advocating warrantless seizures of information on an inconcievably large scale, for supporting an administration that thinks it can operate outside the boundaries of the law.

I don't know about y'all, but I'm about ready to withdraw my consent to be governed.

YIK,
- Geoff

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

i love the word my my my my word its a wonder you ever see anything at all i wonder if you would talk to some of those people who lost people in 911 and what they would say or some of those people in iraq who where tortured and maimed you know this country did not do one thing to help the jewish people when they were being persicuted yes you have right yes you have a voice and so do the dead remeber that next time you look in a childs eyes who lost a parent or a mom who lost a child do to terrism or a father who lost a son its always easy to take the me me me stance you that would invite the very destruction and down fall of this country because all about you shrugs oh well its not my problem as for you writting letters to people to congress remeber its the majority that rules thank god for republicans :) battle on conservitives we are here for the battle and if you want to go back to back fact to fact i am game :)

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holy crap. They're closing in folks. If you think that by Google saying "no" its actually going to stop them, you're out of your minds.

if one does not learn from histories mistakes they are subject to repeat them.

or some such. i feel hisotry is starting to repeat. Though unfortunetly our goverment seems to be much smarter then the Nazis. they're closing in slower, acting areas that are not "public"

i feel the walls closing in even more. Yes, lets get everyone to back us up cos were ONLY going after "terrorists and pedophilers"

the walls are closing in, i can our rights gone in the future.

But good news, bush is gone at the end of his term, there is hope with the next president. Who'd of thought to say.. "lets hope the next one is like bill clinton.. the horny bastard"

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

lets put it this way in simple terms of easy logic. idealism is all a point of view and the lines drawn its cool
liberty means different things to different people I for one do not want a nuke on my door step as someone who is ex military and has served as well i see all the things as justified to catch these people and the people that harm kids. Gotta love people stick their heads in the sand as you think so shall you be yep yep. time always is the great teller of truth i am betting on the good guys but i understand how you liberals are (shakes head) as for illeagle shrugs i have done nothing to be ashamed of or to hide i have nothing to fear What kinky sex i do in the bedroom with my other half is between me and her no one else buisness You on the other hand have taken it to the level of shoving it down everyones face nillas just really tired of it so are conservitaves It is your group that would raise taxes. spend money on programs to put us in debt as people and not benifit anyone but your own selfish agendas at least this president is doing things for the good of the people maybe thats the big difference he is doing his job as put forth by the founding fathers or did you miss that part in the consitution i can list it if you like powers of the president and branches and such its there in big letters let me guess your one of those people that instead of giving a 100 percent at work you only give 80 and expect to be paid alot lol yep now i got ya

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It is your group that would raise taxes. spend money on programs to put us in debt as people and not benifit anyone but your own selfish agendas at least this president is doing things for the good of the people [\quote]

When George Bush came in we had one of the largest surpluses in history. He's managed to piss it all away and not we are (to use your own words) "in debt as people". As for "selfish agendas, have you looked at the quarterly reports from Halliburton, The Carlyle Group or Chevron-Texaco.

True, Bush has not raised taxes. He's like an middle-class guy who's living on credit cards and not fixing the toilets while he makes sure the lawn is mowed to the neighbors don't suspect. He's hoping to get out of office so he can blame the next administration who will have to raise taxes to make up for the shortfall Bush created.

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This really isn't a response to JohnWarren but merely to ask what folks are doing to oppose or support any government you feel protects or interfers/threatens your rights?

As individuals it may often feel like we can do nothing. But actually we can.

I keep up on the news -- I get it from a variety of sources and I use my training as a historian to evaluate "facts" and statements.

I talk to my family and friends and colleagues about what is going on.

Every week I contact my representatives in the federal government by written word or by telephone.

Rarely I do also host events in our house to have others over to discuss what is happening and strategies for address the issue.

Others participate in local protest or even travel to protest.

Others donate money or time to causes.

No, I'm not donating tons of money or running for an office or getting out my weapons to go and protest or lead a revolution. But I do try and participate and stay informed and let those who have been elected know they are being watched and that they are still expected (by me at least) to uphold the Constitution.

I'm not asking folks to list what they are doing and perhaps it was a bad idea of mine to talk about what I do.

I'm am asking folks to do something.

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I've marched occasionally, but not recently and have even taken part in civil disobedience. In the Sixties, I was part of a group protesting RI helmet law. The Supreme Court failed to grant cert and I paid my fine.

Mostly I keep my ears open and try to refute the current idiocy. Just a few days ago, I think I may have made a major impact when I asked a knee-jerk Bush supporter if he had considered what Jesus might have felt about the war and the torture. I guess "Kill a raghead for Jesus" doesn't sell as well as the older "Kill a commie for Christ."