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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/5/2006 5:10:04 AM   
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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/5/2006 5:12:57 AM   
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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/5/2006 5:16:37 AM   
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I did not miss the point of the poem. It was stupid and pretty much irrelevant, chicken little.

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i have not called You any names...and that poem is one of the most meaningful things i have ever read.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/5/2006 5:38:59 AM   
SirKenin


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Status: offline 		The reason I say "chicken little" is not as a derogatory term. You are claiming doom and gloom. I am on the other side of the fence saying "No, it is not all that bad. If it gets more child pornography off the net, then power to them.

Now listen to Me, very carefully. I do not speak strong words very often, but I will now.

I do not give a SHIT about your rights when you propose to supercede the rights of children. Do you follow Me? Your rights end where the rights of the next person begins. ALWAYS. And children ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS come first. You would do well to mark My words.

Did you get that? What if it was your daughter? Would you still be screaming about your Google rights that you do not even have? "I have My rights. Waah Waah Waah." What about other people's rights, or do you even give a damn? I have a eleven year old daughter and an eight year old son. If I see them naked on the internet, I can not express to you in one hundred bombs or less how I would feel if I caught them. And you want to protect the jerks who produce this scum because you think someone might actually give a shit that you are searching for knitting?

Do we understand each other now?

NCSF is NOT looking after My rights nor those of My children. They are looking after their coffers. That is the point of that press release. It is a marketting ploy and I do not buy it. Like I have said before, I have read enough business articles in My newsletters to know every nitty gritty little detail about how to compose and release press releases. It is a joke, completely devoid of facts and an action plan. The reason you do not see it is because you do not know what to look for I presume.

Sorry, but I get really angry and defensive when it comes to defending the rights of My children.

Here you are, pathetically crying about your rights. The unionist's rights. The communists rights. They can fend for themselves, but I ask you, in your moment of piety and selfishness.... Children can not defend their rights. So who the hell is going to? Where is that message in that stupid press release? Where is that message in Lam's posts? Where is that message in your stupid poem? Where is that message in your posts? Hmmm?

When you start talking about the rights of our children, then I will be interested... In the meantime, forget it.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/5/2006 5:51:44 AM   
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When you start talking about the rights of our children, then I will be interested... In the meantime, forget it.

Sir Kenin


kk; so Your point is, You feel the Child Protection Act is a workable solution? i will accept that. i may disagree but i do not dispute Your concern for children.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/5/2006 12:45:18 PM   
LATEXBABY64


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Status: offline 		- NCSF humm another useless group of artsy fartsy people who only goal is distort reality and change things for the worse.... freedom of expression also comes freedom of responsibility they want to change things but not take responsibility let it be someone else problem
sad sad sad the governmen is taking the responsibly to say are children have been hurt enough while you may promote sexual expression which what
I think what ever two consenting adults do behind close doors is no ones business as long as it that ...but when that expression spills out and shoved down the throats of everyday folk we tend to get pissed ....Kids should not know it or see it when it promotes negative things in our country its time to take action this what out government jas and is doing.... with in soceity there is a system of checks and balances for emotional and mental growth as a culture its just the way of things

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/5/2006 3:36:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		The NCSF has no coffers to keep full, it is not a bunch of artsy fartsy people unless people like you and me are "artsy fartsy". The NCSF is a coalition of BDSM, swing, and polyamory groups, and their policy is determined and guided by the members of those groups and the representatives those groups seat on the Coalition Council. The NCSF represents hundreds of groups and thousands of group and individual members.

The NCSF is a not-for-profit organization, and has one, count them ONE full time employee. EVERYTHING and I do mean everything beyond the office, is handled by concerned volunteers.

The Federal governement using children as an excuse to strip away our basic, Constitutionally guaranteed rights is just as immoral, unethical, and dangerous to the foundation of this country as illegal wiretapping and warrantless searches of the homes of our citizens.

Hello... what happened to "Innocent until proven guilty" ? ? ? ? I'm not forcing my sexuality on anyone. But the federal government wants to treat me like a criminal? Oh HELL NO. I will fight tooth and nail to keep that camel's nose out of MY tent. And the NCSF is a helluva tool to keep that camel under control.

The NCSF helped defend the San Diego Six. All charges dropped.

The NCSF helped defend the folks arrested in Addleboro, Mass (the "Paddleboro" incident... Charges dropped.

When events like Vicious Valentine and Beat Me in St Louis were targeted by CWA protests, when TES and Black Rose events were attacked, NCSF has been there.

The NCSF responded to over 600 incidents in 2004 (2005 figures are not in yet) where kinky folk needed help because they were threatened with having their children removed from their homes, their owned businesses were being threatened with closure, where their jobs and carreers were being threatened because their sexual orientation or activities were exposed...

When Uncle Sam, in the name of "protecting children" tries to take yours away from you Latexbaby, SirKenin... When your employer fires you because they don't want a pervert like you working there... When you get arrested because you pop your submissive on the ass with a wooden spoon (or your partner gets arrested for popping you with one) while you are playing... Who are you going to turn to for help? Who will advocate for YOUR rights as a parent? Your sexuality? What you do in the confines of your consentual relationship? Even if you are kinky?

The NCSF will. Even if you don't think you need us now. We're here. Just hope and pray you never need our assistance. But if you ever do, please hope and pray there are people out there who are kind, generous, compassionate, and willing to donate to YOUR legal defense fund inspite of the trashtalk people like y'all put on the NCSF. We have your back, even if you won't pull your collective heads out of the sand to watch ours.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/5/2006 5:31:14 PM   
SirKenin


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quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper

quote:

When you start talking about the rights of our children, then I will be interested... In the meantime, forget it.

Sir Kenin


kk; so Your point is, You feel the Child Protection Act is a workable solution? i will accept that. i may disagree but i do not dispute Your concern for children.

candystripper


Cool. I am really glad we feel the same way about children. That is a really good start in My books. As far as the Act goes, I think it is only one spoke in a wheel. As far as I am concerned, if it stops the violation of just one child then it is worth it.

I am not interested in people saying "We support Google.. Period" for two reasons. First, I do not give a hoot who they support. I want to know why, and if action is required, what action will be taken. Any idiot can say "we support Google". So what? What then? Second, I do not care for them because they have all stated in some form or other that they only care about themselves and their "rights". I am so sick and tired of people selfishly moaning about their rights... The interesting thing to note is that not one of them mentions anyone else's rights. Ever. What does that tell you about the individual or group?

In this case... What about the rights of the victims, or do they not count?

So it is heartwarming to hear that you follow My concern about the children. That is the first time in this or any similar thread that anybody has mentioned something about anybody other than themselves.

So thanks. And with that I am going back to My shrimp.

< Message edited by SirKenin -- 2/5/2006 5:33:32 PM >

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/5/2006 9:20:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		The NCSF did not "come in here." Someone else posted a link about them. And their "action plan" is pretty clear. You can read about it, or you can continue to post without informing yourself and sounding like a big ignoramus.

Of course your position requires no action. Your position by definition is the position that requires no action.

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

For the last time, because you do not seem to have much of a clue. My position requires no action on My part. The NCSF position does. Instead of coming in here marketting their interests, I am asking them what they intend to do about it and if anyone listens to them. If noone else listens to them, why should I? Not so strangely enough we still have yet to hear an action plan.

Get a clue.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/5/2006 9:52:35 PM   
SirKenin


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Of course your position requires no action. Your position by definition is the position that requires no action.



You finally get it. A day late and a dollar short, but you made it finally. Way to go....

Now you can see why the following post made you look completely ridiculous... Along with your followers.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Laughing...yeah...I made you ADMIT that you're not going to lift a finger to defend what you believe in. You'd rather just sit in your chair and berate other people who do. Sounds like I'm not the one who missed the point.

The world is filled with people who accept injustice. But instead of admitting that they're too afraid to do anything about it, they concoct lofty rationalizations and deride people who try to make the world a better place for THEM.

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Seeing as how you and Lam BOTH missed the actual point, I do believe that it is not a case of either one of you being smart.





But, you got it. Better late than never.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/6/2006 12:15:44 AM   
SirKenin


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Status: offline 		Oh, and by the way.... While I think of it. Like I just finished saying to candystripper, My position is about defending the rights of those who can not defend their own. My position is one of support for the government.

This is not an injustice we face. It might be for you, but you are clearly selfish and I do not feel the least bit sorry for you. Suck it up.

This is one step of many required to get the abuse of children off the net. That is what I care about. I do not give a darn if you see another internet boob for the rest of your life. If I see My children violated on the internet, I will hold people like you accountable... And believe Me, as many people have figured out, I am the last person you want to cross. That is not an idle threat either. I will do whatever it takes to do My part to bring them down. I have done it to quite a few people in the past. I have no problems doing it to someone who would bring harm to an innocent child. ESPECIALLY Mine.

Does that sound like a lofty rationalization to you? Well too bad. My children are My first priority and I will defend them to the death. I do not give a shit about protecting your Google searches if it means saving a child.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/6/2006 12:42:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		i love the way they talk abour rights as if it where some club of rich people at an event lol they may have defended those people but you know the gov list all kinky people on a data base think about that one anyone who is considered a perve is listed on a data base and tracked check out for self :) its like cattle tagging
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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/6/2006 1:10:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Won't somebody please think of the children?"

Pretty disappointed that some people actually buy into this claptrap reasoning.

Are you really worried about your children SirKenin? Why don't *YOU* do something about it. Why is it my concern also? You don't want your kids seeing porn on the internet then you guide their use of the internet or place a filter on your systems that will block unwanted content.

COPA is crap law and everyone knows this - particularly and most importantly the U.S. courts do. I think it's interesting what it is that we need to supposedly protect children from is the very subject matter and/or activity that gives rise to the presence of children in the first place.

BTW, SirKenin - how is it exactly we shall see your children nude on the internet? Is there something you want to tell us here? If your children are taken advantage of on the internet I blame you.

All of your arguments are those of a weakling. If you guard your house and your children well enough you will not need me or any laws to help you.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/6/2006 1:32:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do My best to keep them out of trouble. I work with the schools, the doctor, everybody. There is only so much I can do though. If anybody comes anywhere near them, I quite literally chase after them, usually by means of the Law.

The sad reality is, though, that there is only so much I can do. And you have asked a question that neither I nor you can probably answer. How do these predators lure these children away from their parents? Children are trusting and susceptible, so once they are unfortunately taken away from their protection they are vulnerable. It happens every day and only a fool refuses to acknowledge this. The reality is, there is no way you can keep your children in your sights 24 hours a day. If you have children, you will know that. You turn your back for one second and anything can happen. It can be a huge source of stress.

I personally am glad that the government is stepping in here and taking some steps to help children and parents out. I do not care about supposed rights that people think they have. I am sick of hearing about it. Their rights end where ours begin, and those children's safety is more important than your boobs.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/6/2006 2:03:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can you explain precisely how bared boobs equals child snatching please? You're making enormous leaps in logic to legitimize government intrusions that are simply unnecessary.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/6/2006 5:03:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is too much of a dichotomy in Google's stances in the U.S. and in China. How can Google be against governmental review in a relatively democratic country and allow it in China? For the record, I am against allowing any government access to Google's records. In this era, it is a form of wiretapping that encompasses all of us.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/6/2006 6:11:55 AM   
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Now you can see why the following post made you look completely ridiculous... Along with your followers.

Sir Kenin


With all due respect, NO ONE insinuated a lack of concern for children....they insinuated that the CPA is a dodge around the 1st Amendment. i wanna be a good Mom and have sex too.

Please stop insulting Lam; i have high blood pressure.

candystripper

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/6/2006 6:30:00 AM   
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Please stop insulting Lam; i have high blood pressure.


LOL

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/6/2006 9:28:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SirKenin
This is one step of many required to get the abuse of children off the net. That is what I care about. I do not give a darn if you see another internet boob for the rest of your life. If I see My children violated on the internet, I will hold people like you accountable... And believe Me, as many people have figured out, I am the last person you want to cross. That is not an idle threat either. I will do whatever it takes to do My part to bring them down. I have done it to quite a few people in the past. I have no problems doing it to someone who would bring harm to an innocent child. ESPECIALLY Mine.

Unfortunately, we will never be rid of abuse. In someway, I think it's part of human nature to abuse. We all do it. Even in the smallest of ways, we abuse something. And somehow, someway, someone finds a way to bypass whatever is done to ensure the saftey of those that are innocent. You can make all the threats you want, but in the end, you are as helpless as the rest of us to stop it. Thats the problem with us as humans. Our boon is also our bain. You're innovative to the last. And nothing can stop a person if they want something bad enough.

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RE: NCSF Supports Google's Refusal to Violate Internet ... - 2/6/2006 10:39:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		to stop abuse it has to start with law enforcement and local comunites banding together to stop the preditors. they can do it through education and monitoring at schools. abuse can happen anywhere in the home at a job anywhere. its only through education of the mass that we can stop this with the help of local leaders and law enforcement. the sexual preditor has many faces and diquises. it can be a man a woman or even a teen this why the gov has my support it takes alot to catch these people . and yes they are in our comunity. i will do all i can like Sir Kenin to see they are cought

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