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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/13/2009 12:45:11 AM

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i really don't understand your aversion to the doctor. It sounds as if this really is an emergent situation. i don't know if an e-mail is the right route to go but you do need to do what is best for you. But yes, i agree that you really need to write down, in detail everything that has been going on these past few months. Do not resign yourself to death just because you don't want to go to the doctor or the hospital. Believe me, i know it is a scary and miserable place, i spent almost a year in the hospital when i was 14 due to liver failure. It sucks and i know that long stays make you never want to be involved with a doctor ever again. But, please realize that they are there to help you ultimately, even if they are assholes.

Please, be safe, and see a doctor soon. If you can have someone stay with you for awhile to keep an eye on you until you get around to see one it might be best as well. And safer, especially if continue to sleepwalk.

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i wish you the very best, we all do. Please, be safe, get some answers from a doctor and go from there. i am praying for you.

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/13/2009 5:43:39 AM

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In the meantime- 1 med I am on "trazadone" could be a culprit. It would not be the first time a med was wrecking things.

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/13/2009 5:51:09 AM

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Ok- I have an appointment for TODAY. I will keep you posted and thank you.

Special thanks to the person who emailed me off the board. It helped me see some of the logic. :-)

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/13/2009 8:20:53 AM

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I am back from the DR. I am amazed at for a timbuctoo area we have decent medical here. Anyhow- the DR is checking blood work 3 different tests.

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/13/2009 2:38:14 PM

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pahunk I am so glad that you finally went to the doctor!

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/13/2009 3:35:59 PM

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/13/2009 5:03:14 PM

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Thanks! :-) Now I should be emailed the results of the blood work in a few days. The comments here were a factor- then when the space was only 6 days-apart- I knew/know I have to do something.

The DRs office was willing to play ball- so that helps.    I am not sure what happens after this. She did suggest I bring this up with my Psychiatrist- which I plan to.

It would be nice to have my energy back- when family was out last month- they seemed perplexed that I did not want to go out to eat.

I am not a DR.   One issue I had/have is to properly elaborate the problem. That way- it sort of cuts to the chase. :-)

I suppose if I then have to go to some specialist- I will. At current I have insurance- which may or may not be the case in the future.

I guess too- I did not clearly see how abnormal the black outs are- until I posted it.

So- I am glad- I am off to a start on resolve of a solution. :-)

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/14/2009 2:59:21 AM

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I am so glad you went to the doctor PA. Keep us updated please. hugs to you

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/14/2009 4:00:23 AM

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Kudos, Pa ! I'm proud of you. Here's hoping for a good outcome.

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/14/2009 4:41:33 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I am getting up from another black out. I am looking for ideas to get at the root of such events.

1. food moving thru the colon correctly.
2. detoxing from 10 years of SSRIs. I am down to 75 mg of effexxor
3. weather systems, been very windy.

4. I have reduced ALL meds. and do not drink.

Is there a component I am missing?

Here is how it evolves. I get tired.   Then VERY tired. Of late the day night is mixed up.    I just want to lay down and feel warm. ANd lay still. These are not severe like yeas ago- where I was afraid to drive.   Ok- so I dream alot while sleeping. Not really nightmares- but not really sugar plumbs.   So then the poop has to come out. First claylike. Then loose, then watery. As the time goes on. Usually 24-29 hours.   I usually get a flu shot but have not this year on purpose.

Sometimes during the sleep I eat snacks- I dont like to go down the stairway as I am afraid I will fall.

Then- and here is the part where I hate the black outs. I vomit violently. Sometimes I can stop this by taking my ADHD meds.

I am out of ideas as to what makes these and how to lessen them. I went like 8 months with out even 1. Now I had 5 of them in a months time.

So- what I am missing? WHat should I monitor?    The grocer clerk comments and how I eat well. I dont have any substantial problems in life. The pain levels from injury are managable.   I hope it stays this way.

If anyone is chronic pain please jump in.   Jenny thought rain did it but I think it is more a weather pattern. Nor easternors- are one such pattern here in PA.

What am I missing?????   WHat should I explore?

TBH, what you describe sounds like side effects of SSRI. I always wonder about this, too long on meds, can they permanently alter the body chemistry so that one needs the meds fix to stay normal. I read on a MH forum, to wait and watch, SSRI might very well end up being banned ten years down the line, as what they do to a person in the long term is not actually known. But like everything in life there is risk and if it is needed, then it is a risk we must take.

Oh and doctors, the more we see of them, the less we want to see them, especially when the doc seems no more interested than you keep taking the meds.

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/14/2009 5:22:27 AM

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An, I did mention that I was weaning off of it to her. I hope they dont ban SSRIs. They are useful. But- IMO they are not a rest of your life med. A tool to get thru a hard phaze of life.

The blood work should get a grip one where I am at. They can tell alot from ones blood. Often it is not a yes or no type of thing.

A few years ago- I was gung ho for meds. But as I get older- I view them as more complicated. That pill A, makes one need pill B. until there is a chemical soup going on.

SSRIs are useful but very complicated.

Anyhow- I should know more later. :-)

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/15/2009 8:01:05 AM

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I fired my psychiatrist today.

I did not have "permission" to reduce the dosage of the effexxor.

He then said he was /reducing/cutting-dose my ADHD med. Then he said that I am to come in 4 weeks rather then the 2 months. THEN he phoned my pharmacist to see when I last refilled my effexxor.   Never mind that days of a black out- one doesn't take meds.
Co=pays have gone up.

He was banging away at the keyboard and not happy at all with my choice to reduce.

Then he told me he was cutting my ADHD meds all together.

I usually say thank you- when I leave. This time tho- I did not. I was to set up an appointment 4 weeks from now. I told the receptionist that I would not be coming back. I briefly explained why. The 2 ladies looked at each other like OMG. So she said- let her get me someone to talk to. I said OK. But then as I waited- I concluded- there is nothing TO talk about and left.
I suspect she went to tell the good DR that I was refusing.

Being how how laid into me for being 5 minutes late on one visit., and would not drop it- I should have known better.

He asked why- on meds- and I said there could be supply disruptions. He said the economic collapse is going on for 2 years.... I also said there is flouride in those pills and flouride is rat poisening.    He said that he is the DR and HE knows what is good for me.

Starting off the meeting- I had him to look at the blood work results which were ok- (I guess)

So- I guess NOW there IS a supply disruption, being that I am cut off of the ADHD med.

What an asshole.   I dont go there to become depressed.     Under Pennsylvania state 6400 regulations, a patient may refuse medications.

ANyhow- I do have effexxor meds enough that I should be able to detox- tho now I must go at a faster rate then before.   I dont know if he can 302 me. (throw me in a hospital for observation)
I did not make any comments about harming anyone or myself.   True I am mad- as anyone would be.

So then I guess this is how it is.

Any DR who treats me for aything will have to know that with my body that I participate in my treatment.

Any advice would be appreciated, off the board C-mail ok too.

I am not happy over it. On the way home- which burned gas, I stopped at the surplus store for some stuff to make a salad. they had mocha coffee for $2.50 a bag. (I bought them all)

I hate 3rd party risk. I dont know if he can do anything esle to retaliate. I have other things going on and really dont want to have this to deal with.

So the question is- how to convert this snag into a good thing.

Trust but verify. I can just see that new pill technology- that the RFID in it- makes sure the patient took it.

10 years is too long to be on effexxor. In the 1976 Penhurst court decree; all states had to bring up standards.    Forced drugging and "treatment" is not the trend. the trend is the other way.... to get all drug free. (at least in MR/MH group homes)

So I guess I made my bed.   Not pleasant, it is what it is.   Not sure what the next move is.

I want off the fricken effexxor.   Even if I get the black outs.   It would eventually clear up.     I hope I dont get a knock at the door here.   I know my rights., but that doesnt mean everyone in the system does.

*sighs*

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/15/2009 8:17:51 AM

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PA, you don't know yet what is causing your blackouts.

Do you have a case manager or someone you can call?

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/15/2009 8:32:44 AM

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PA, you don't know yet what is causing your blackouts.

Do you have a case manager or someone you can call?

No. Im not sure who to call.

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/15/2009 8:35:43 AM

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Pa...if i were you i would go back to your primary doctor and tell her exactly what you have said here

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/15/2009 8:41:36 AM

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Pa...if i were you i would go back to your primary doctor and tell her exactly what you have said here

I just sent the email. Good idea.

Maybe they can cover that RX until a new Psychiatrsist is located. The trust is broken with the original one. His bedside manner sucks. Aside from that- I insist to participate in my treatment.

Thanks everyone.

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/15/2009 9:32:16 AM

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Well, that was predictable.

Now you're going to go doctor shopping, trying to find a psychiatrist you trust. And god help you if you do, because I think for you finding a doctor you trust means finding a doctor who tells you what you want to hear and whose role is just to confirm what you've already decided you know - and that's the worst imaginable criteria for anyone to select any doctor, much less a psychiatrist.

PA, you're not trying to participate in your treatment, you're trying to run it all on your own. You're a doctor's worst nightmare. I read your story just now, and I side entirely with the doctor. Everything he does to try to help you, you start tearing apart and doing your own thing the minute you walk out the door. He's probably twice as glad to get rid of you as you are to get rid of him. You say you want some advice? Here's some advice, from someone who spent about 5 years as the primary caretaker for a severely bipolar ex-girlfriend - stop trying to be your own doctor, and start listening to the people who actually are doctors, even if what they tell you disagrees with something you read on the internet or with your own medical theories about weather patterns and such. I mean, come on - rat poison in your meds? Does that really make sense to you? Butt out and let them do their damned jobs, and if during the course of the medication adjustments you feel physically or psychologically unsafe, then admit yourself to a hospital until things stabilize. That's what hospitals are there for.

PA, you're a great guy, and everybody here loves you. But you're going through some tough times right now, and your posting history shows a pattern of paranoid and delusional thinking. This, combined with your stubborn, headstrong personality, is the single factor that's preventing you from getting better. If you don't learn some way of setting your paranoias aside and trusting the experts you hire to help you, you'll never get better. These people know what they're doing, but they can't do a damned thing for you if you ignore them and work against them. You need to find some way of trusting people who tell you what you don't want to hear, and until you do, nothing's going to work. Good luck, man. I really hope you find someone who can get through to you this time.

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/15/2009 9:41:37 AM

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Pa...please..do not get offended by what Panda wrote. Rather, read it again and again. There is such truth in his words. The doctors are the experts...not us (and i am guilty of trying to control the reins as well).

However...you need help, and you need it now. I would print out post #72 and take it into your PCP. Now. Today.

You need intervention here. I have no clue as to your insurance, but your PCP can guide you in the right direction. Social Services/Social Workers can be of asst to you right now, and your PCP can help get the ball rolling.

Hug!

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/15/2009 9:51:05 AM

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c-mail, PaHunk

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RE: health- let me pick your brains. black outs - 4/15/2009 10:09:26 AM

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I am not bi polar. I never have been.

10 years of effexxor.   When does one ever get off of it?   20 years?   15 years?

Fluoride is in effexxor.   Fluoride is rat poison.

Yes, I am stubborn. Paranoid- maybe a little. Delusional.   I doubt it. I would have to think about that.

Dont forget 30 years ago- we did not have this generation of SSRIs.   So for thousands or years they were not needed.

How is it possible to be depressed to the point of needing meds the entire life?

What would even be the point of seeing him again? I have probably 6 months worth of effexxor in the nightstand. (at 75 mg a day doseage)   And even if I changed my mind and went back to 225, that can not just be done. I would have to go up to 150 mg, for maybe 2 months, THEN go to 225.

Bi-polar is not a diagnosis of me.

With general DRs I found they like when a patient is informed.
When I had bad pain levels - injuries and court stuff, yeah- depressed and pills were part of the situation. But 10 years later- the court is over- the pain levels have gotten better.

I could have just said- today, "I am pleased with the teatment" and went on as usual.

The body is supposed to heal itself. Most the time it does.

Some think SSRIs should not even be treatment. I think they are useful; then there is a time and a place tho.

Stubborn. Yeah. Paranoid, slightly, delusional... no. unlikely.

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