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LAgirlsub -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/5/2009 11:35:32 PM)

You did LP - and I'll say for the example I'm referring to...this is WAY before we get to playing together...I'm talking about asking to begin with a voice verification. And then later to meet in person before we get deeper involved in emails. I'm not past this stage yet.

I can understand that's something completely different - in 'play mode' - which is how I now like to define it. If I'm talking to a domme (that I have passed the hurdles of yes they are a woman and even better if we met once in person - that's all I'm asking for upfront), then I'd like it - this would make me comfortable - that we talk like regular people until we agree we're in 'play mode.' To me that sets the boundaries of going in or out of play mode. Maybe that's what happens in real life, but I just sort of figured this out for myself in written form. And I no longer want to enter 'play mode' until at a minimum I have voice verification.

If that makes me too demanding, then I'm not going to meet anyone online for this activity. I'm so done with males pretending to be females, domineering and/or emotionally unstable dommes, etc. I don't think I'm asking too much for the kind of woman I want to meet. That kind of woman shouldn't see my 'demands' as an issue.

Now...LP...I'll be back to ask you if/when (gosh maybe sometime) I'm in the real play situation and I want to know the best way to voice my feelings....(if you wouldn't mind...maybe I'll ask you in person when you're here).




LadyPact -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/5/2009 11:56:01 PM)

I'd be glad for it.  Like I said.  Diet pepsi, somewhere quiet enough to talk.  Iced coffee, if it's for charity.

I tend to think that where you are right now is trust, but verify.  There's nothing wrong with that, especially with what I perceive to be, your history.  Each of us, regardless of role, has to find the way that works for us.

One thing that you mentioned was being a person, rather than a role.  Don't get Me wrong.  This is something I agree with.  Still you have to remember, if you are submissive inside, that is at least a component of what makes up the person.  Deny her, and you deny yourself.  Take it from someone who did that.

We'll talk about it someday.




allthatjaz -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 12:09:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LAgirlsub


Again and again, unless I don't truly understand this whole dom/sub thing - Why am I not a person first? Why such the extremes of this relationship dynamic? I might be out of line, trust me zero real experience to draw upon, but I don't 'live' some kind of (from my perspective - no offense to other subs - this is me) bizarro sub life 24/7 with anyone who speaks to me/meets me. In fact, I doubt I ever would.

If this sub (and I know sexual) feeling is a part of me, it's a part. It's not something on display and frankly, these very dominant women who display this nature in all these daily interactions would not likely even be friends of mine. I don't mean to exclude those strong women who just are who they are, but those like this email I just received who have the audacity to speak to me as if I have to act as subservient to them just because they are a domme.

If I can be fully honest, it really disgusts me. I want to be open to this, I want to try, but I'm so disgusted with being talked to this way. Sometimes it's immediate, sometimes it takes a few emails. I can just imagine if I were playing with such a woman - would she not care how I felt? Would she hurt me physically or emotionally? I'm becoming less sure about what I want to try given how many 'D types' act this way.

But...right here...these forums and the people here are the reason I keep thinking not every domme will lack self-esteem, will be domineering and controlling in our regular interactions. I guess I just have to keep working on how I weed those types out. I think voice verifying is a good first step to see if a) I'm talking to a woman and b) if they don't have such ridiculous rules regarding what a sub type can ask for. Anyone disagree?


LAgirlsub I get from your posts that the relationship bit is the most important part for you. In other words you want a partnership with you as submissive and her as dominant and all the good things in between.
Lets remember that a lot of Dommes are looking specifically for a submissive with whom they would have a limited relationship with outside of the D/s environment and the same could be said for submissives looking for a Domme.
If I were looking for a relationship with a female then I would need her to want and desire to submit but just as importantly (because I for one would not want to dominate someone without this) I would need her to have strength and by that I mean, have her own opinions, be able to hold her own in a conversation, enjoy the same kind of hobbies I enjoy, be able to laugh and have fun together.
To be able to build strength within a relationship we need to be able to talk openly and frankly, do we not? To fit together two parts of a very unique puzzle is an incredible thing when it happens but the only way it can happen (in my opinion) is to understand every last jot of how each other tick.
Everything (if this is going to work) has to intertwine. As the dominant and submissive part starts to unfold then it can and often does become the core of what we are about but a coat of armor will never allow a real relationship to develop.




Futuresocks -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 12:41:26 AM)

Aside from the given issues of safety, intelligence, honesty, and personal fidelity (the big issues), I only have these...

1) a domme who takes freakin forever to cut loose on casual assertiveness. I mean, getting to know a domme is one thing. You don't automatically expect her to bind her authority, but there is a soft-level dominance that full-on dominants mostly exhibit that I find reassuring and oh-so-stimulating. I've found that being "in service" to a domme as opposed to being collared is awesome too. A dominant woman who lives and breathes dominance tends to dominate in most areas, but I have known some that after 5 meet-ups I said to myself: "Uh, who's the dominant one here?" it's demeanor, body language, etc., and when it's lacking, it shows.

Forceful requests while just getting to know someone (EX: "Why don't you go get me a refill?") (yes, just requests) and questions can be just as appealing as an order when in servitude, and staunch dominants rise to the top even in first meetings. Some do not, and that is a let-down.

2) a domme who throws out sexual inuendos as a means to make up for lack of dominance.
"In that case, I'm going to have to bite you now, won't I?" I say this not because I am not a sexual sub, but because I see this as a flippant disregard for true dominance, not to mention it sounds like some kink fulfillment, and my service doesn't go that route.

3) Being shut down mid-stream.
This is my little way of saying that I get extremely pissed inside when a domme brings up a topic that she KNOWS I will not be of the same mind on, and then when I argue against it, I get shut down. This happened tonight. My lady says something and I very softly and nicely disagree with it, and I get told: "I'm not going to argue it. Why are you still trying to convince me?" Ugg! Why do dommes do that? double ugg!




WyldHrt -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 2:08:57 AM)

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If that makes me too demanding, then I'm not going to meet anyone online for this activity. I'm so done with males pretending to be females, domineering and/or emotionally unstable dommes, etc. I don't think I'm asking too much for the kind of woman I want to meet. That kind of woman shouldn't see my 'demands' as an issue

I don't think it makes you too demanding... of course, I'm not a Domme, lol. Something that I do once contact has been established (in my case, this usually means that a male Dom has emailed me), is to respond with a bit of humor such as a play on his words. Nothing disrespectful, mind, just something that shows playfulness and intelligence. If his response is insulting, or an attempt to "put me in my place", the whole thing is a no-go. If he laughs, then we're getting somewhere. If I receive a return quip, extra bonus points.
My point is, do what you feel is right for you. If some can't handle it, that's OK. The right people will.

BTW, did I hear mention of diet cokes and conversation when LP hits Cali? I'm not all THAT far from LA, jus sayin... [:D]




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 2:30:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

A question if I might...why would any inteligent sub/slave type ( no offence intended towards those who have previously responded)respond to this thread.Is there much opportunity to impress the Dom/Domme types with a list of their supposed flaws.


Well, I tried, Mike. I truly tried. For that very reason, as a matter of fact (cantankerous contrarian that I am.)  I just couldn't think of 5 serious answers, no matter how hard I worked at it. I could only come up with 1 - quite a lot of dommes take themselves w-a-a-a-y too seriously, for reasons that I am completely unable to figure out. None of them in this thread, in case anyone was wondering, but it's common enough to be worthy of a mention, I suppose. And I find few things to be more of a turn-off than that.




CatdeMedici -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 4:25:25 AM)

To echo Lockit ( love the new pic btw Dear)--a non response is a response, even from God.[8D]




frankieboy52 -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 5:28:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

frankieboy... an email to someone better not be a command performance!  Just because someone writes us does not mean we are required to write back.  People can call it rude or bitchy or whatever they want.. but I am telling you... some can write the sweetest lies... be manipulative or passive aggressive shit and expect an answer simply because they decided they wanted to communicate.... ever so sweet with rotton intent!  Not in my fucking world!

Now that was bitchy... sue me...
no suit necessary..but don't you think there are some exceptions to the rule???male subs whom always tell the truth regardless of circumstances and what do you say to a male sub that was lied to by a woman posing as a Domina here and is now married to her???If you have figured out who this really is,congrats.if not..it is the artist formerly knownas chezzy..because i have to say this...if i ever have done one thing right in my life,it has been telling the truth.Doesn't make me better than anyone else and i am still an asshole when it comes to certain things..but it is what it is.




oceanwinds -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 5:54:27 AM)

I dont have any. Personally I can't get let myself get invested in being annoyed over cmails. It makes no sense to me. Even in real life, I don't permit myself to carry an annoyance with me all day. Some people are rude, and it would be crazy for me to think that should change. What is, is! I do have the option  on how to respond or not.




stella41b -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 6:09:35 AM)

I don't have anything to add. Firstly I see people first and foremost as human beings, rather than what label they go by in a BDSM context. I don't make qualitative judgments of people as a rule because we all have faults, issues, and a certain amount of emotional baggage which comes basically from living and being around other people. I don't see any reason to get all upset over cmails as most attempts to get to know someone on a site like this are going to end up failing anyway and there are those who hardly ever get any cmails.

All I know is is that from a little over two years on these boards what I have learned is that when it comes to thinking, communicating and trying to understand others no amount of effort could ever be too much.




GotSteel -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 8:46:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: frankieboy52

Dominas have annoying traits???You're kidding right??...actually,i am kidding..of course they have annoying traits and much more over the top i feel than some submissives.With that said,there are some lovely Dominas on here..if i had to pick one thing though it is not answering e-mails.admittedly,not all of my contact mailings have been Shakespearean,but they haven't been bad enough to warrant a non-response either.Whether i am looking for just friendship or i am petitioning,i take pride in what i write.So that's my biggest beef.


Do you write your emails all in bold like this? Maybe it's just me but I find it annoying enough that I'd probably delete the email half read.




CatdeMedici -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 9:24:48 AM)

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what do you say to a male sub that was lied to by a woman posing as a Domina here and is now married to her???


Who held a gun to your head?
 
Now, not to steal the thread, but....sadly on HERE, 20% of the submissives AND Dominants pay the price for the 80% assholes.  I don't respond when someone who is diametrically opposed to what I say I do not want---writes--I don't feel I have to respond and I don't--does that make Me a bad Domina? No, its a free site, spammers abound, idiots abound, but every once in awhile, some one nice comes along. I've been on this site in some form for over 5 years, I come, I go, I bitch, I rant, but it is still MY choice and My action to come here and keep looking.
 
IMHO, you need to stop blaming others, realize this is a site of a gizillion and 12, and that given the fact you have said you are married, it will probably take a lot longer than you anticipated. That does not mean Dominas are bad, just choosier than you might wish them to be.

I now return this thread to the OP




hardbodysub -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 10:02:27 AM)

3. Unrealistic expectations. Accepting nothing except a completely subservient person who has no desires of his own, and wants only to serve her and only her, and cater to her every need, no strings attached. Good luck with that. Gee, wouldn't everyone like someone who's there to do everything possible to make their life easier, expecting nothing at all in return? Even when a sub wants nothing more than to serve, that doesn't mean he'll want to serve HER. What makes her so special that he'll want to serve her instead of someone else? Isn't it a bit unrealistic to expect a sub to give everything to HER, specifically, when she's done nothing to distinguish herself from anyone else?

2. The attitude that if a sub doesn't suit the domme's needs, then there is clearly something wrong with the sub, he's not a "true" sub, or he doesn't understand what women want. You know what? If he's not what she's looking for, then she's not what he's looking for either, and it doesn't make either one's desires less valid than the other's. They're just not a good fit for each other. Get over it and move on.

1. Constant bitching and moaning about the failings of subs: how they don't show up for meetings, don't read profiles, don't understand what dommes want (translation: the subs don't fit that particular domme's desires), etc., etc., etc., and projecting these faults onto all subs. When a domme continually makes journal entries complaining every time she gets a stupid email from a stupid sub, or has a disappointing encounter, she's only shooting herself in the foot. The stupid guys don't learn anything from it, especially since they don't read profiles anyway, and the serious subs get turned away by all the complaining. She's virtually guaranteeing that only jerks will contact her.




LAgirlsub -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 10:13:41 AM)

Excellent list hardbody (nice picture btw)...I really appreciate hearing from others who have been around this site/lifestyle for awhile.




LAgirlsub -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 10:38:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

quote:

 
Who held a gun to your head?
 
Now, not to steal the thread, but....sadly on HERE, 20% of the submissives AND Dominants pay the price for the 80% assholes.  I don't respond when someone who is diametrically opposed to what I say I do not want---writes--I don't feel I have to respond and I don't--does that make Me a bad Domina? No, its a free site, spammers abound, idiots abound, but every once in awhile, some one nice comes along. I've been on this site in some form for over 5 years, I come, I go, I bitch, I rant, but it is still MY choice and My action to come here and keep looking.
 
IMHO, you need to stop blaming others, realize this is a site of a gizillion and 12, and that given the fact you have said you are married, it will probably take a lot longer than you anticipated. That does not mean Dominas are bad, just choosier than you might wish them to be.

I now return this thread to the OP


I couldn't agree more...I think it's exactly as you mentioned...fortunately a good portion of that 20% can be found here.

I do tend to respond to the majority of emails I receive but there are definitely some that I don't. Nevermind dom males who frankly are pathetic since I make it crystal clear I have less then zero interest. But even odd ones for example I was emailed a picture from a domme, a collar on a chain, and this unknown person writes one sentence such as 'this would be nice around your neck.' It turned me off immediately because it is exactly what I don't want - I'm not a slave, I found it somewhat creepy and even personally my slightly larger then normal thyroid I don't ever feel comfortable (I would probably scream) if something was tight or locked around my neck.

And I don't tend to respond to one-liners or profiles that have no pictures/are from other countries. I'm already finding the faux profiles of women (supposedly a local woman who again could not do the dreaded coffee date) so I don't need to increase the likelihood that I'm speaking with another male posing as a woman.

I really don't think just a random email or two and ignoring it, necessarily warrants thinking something negative about the other person - unless clearly the email itself, what they wrote, does.




LAgirlsub -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 10:44:14 AM)

It's starting to sound like a party (smile). So who knew...it was the beverage after all. Maybe Starbucks needs to start promoting their products to the bdsm community since they are not the drink of choice. Hum...offering some deep specials on 'whipped' drinks they might have more customers....

I never would have guessed the diet drinks, but sure WyldHrt if some of the other ladies email me when they're in town, I'll let you know and you're more then welcomed to join us.

And on this post it's official - I'm no longer vanilla or kinky....




housesub4you -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 10:44:58 AM)

Hmmmm......

annoying traits of a Mistress....

Well, first off, let me say almost Every Real Mistress I have met on here, either in person or by just getting to know them through the boards really don't annoy me.  In fact that can be said for everyone be they Mistress, Master, sub or slave.  We may not agree on things, but generally I have found almost everyone who is really in the lifestyle to be respectful of differing points of view

The traits which make me believe they are fake and annoy me by wasting my time are

1.  I demand 24/7 service, no questions asked....  Yea, cause none of us have jobs or a life outside of you

2.  You will do everything I say no matter what......

3.  Anything online for money...can we say BS

4.  demand to take control of everything without even meeting....again BS and scammer

5.  Gifts...all I want are gifts  you can only be loyal to me through gifts...... 

6.  masters or anyone listed as being straight and then asking for nude photos of me....Hell everyone asking for nude photos in the first email pisses me off and gets them blocked because 110% of the time they are fakes




housesub4you -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 10:48:37 AM)

You know HBS, if I posed for a picture like yours, everyone on here would insist I change my profile name to softbody sub




ShaktiSama -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 11:37:29 AM)

Hmmm.  Dommes can possibly be annoying?  Perish the thought!  [:D]

Actually, I've been very lucky in that I have not had a lot of trouble getting along with other female dominants and enjoying their company as friends for the last 20 years.  But I have run into a problem once or twice, and from what I've heard from friends, some of these things are a lot more common in the general population than they have been in my own life.

1.  The Poacher.  This is the domme version of the Home Wrecker pathology in vanilla life, basically.  She's the chick who finds herself MORE attracted to a submissive, or at least not less attracted, when she knows that the submissive is committed to a relationship with another woman.  She then tries to "steal" the submissive or at least fuck up the intimacy and trust of the relationship:  why she does this varies, of course, but the upshot is that she simply doesn't respect anyone's collar and anyone's commitments but her own.  Submissives who have low self-esteem can fall prey to this sort of woman pretty easily, because they're flattered by the attention and often don't have a lot of experience saying no.  Usually subs who try to "trade up" to a Poacher end up losing a loving relationship with their original domme and are dumped by the Poacher very quickly.  She never pursued that submissive for his/her intrinsic value--the thrill was in taking someone else's toys.

2.  The "Heil Mistress" Domme-it-All.  This sort of woman tends to show up in bdsm organizations that need volunteers and leadership.  Events that need a planning or a fund-raising committee, clubs that need to arrange workshops and demonstrations or parties, yadda yadda.  Point is that she enters a situation where a lot of people of all genders and orientations need to communicate and cooperate together in order to reach a common goal--and suddenly everyone feels as if it's 1929 in Berlin and she's trying to become Chancellor.  She's pushing other people out, she's bullying and brow-beating, she's splintering the group into combative factions and forcing others to accept her ideas, opinions and plans, etc..  As often as not, a woman like this will kill the whole organization and lay waste to its community before she'll ever admit that she's in the wrong.  Most experienced people in the bdsm community have learned to just close ranks and force a woman like this out of the picture as soon as her bad habits start to manifest.

3.  The Stalker/the Strangling Vine.  This is the woman who either cannot take "no" for an answer, or who doesn't understand what "I've found someone else" or "we're through" means.  The same pathology exists in men and in the vanilla world, of course, and I've seen some cases where a female stalker did horrific damage to the lives of the men she stalked, including committing violence against their new partners, destroying their careers, etc..  It's not a common problem, but every once in a while there's a woman who just cannot stand to lose her investment of emotion and cannot give up her need for control.  Domme ex-wives and domme ex-girlfriends, even domme mothers can exert a lot of negative power in the lives of submissive ex-partners and children, because they are simply not able to let go and give up control.  It can get quite ugly.

4.  The Twue Believer.  This is the woman who cannot discuss bdsm with anyone without proselytizing for her own kinks, her own protocol, her own relationship structure, etc..  Polyamorous "Twue Believers" will tell you earnestly how much more "mature" and "in accordance with human nature" it is to practice their way of life, and how they are both morally superior and more sexually sophisticated than monogamous folk.  No-Limits "Twue Believers" will tell you that their relationships are the "real thing" and that all other bdsm relationships are inferior in terms of intimacy, mutual trust, bladda bladda.  People who are squicked by this or that kink will tell you why it is awful and bad and only perverts and Republicans would ever do such a thing.  People who are turned on by this or that kink will tell you why it is the most wonderful awesome thing ever, and how people who don't do it aren't really into bdsm and should hang up their floggers and go home.  It goes on and on, really, but the upshot is that the Twue Believer knows for a fact that She Is Right and You Are Wrong.  Any time I see or hear someone using the words "true dominance" or "true submission" in a sentence, I tend to cringe.  Usually what follows is not a considered opinion, but a sermon.

5.  The Bait-and-Switch.  This is the "domme" who is the property of a male dominant, and whose dominance exists only for his amusement.  Men or women who are lured into play with this woman will find themselves subjected to the whims of the male dominant--someone they have not negotiated with, are not attracted to, and do not wish to submit to.  This is not a generalization--there are women who are capable of serving one person and dominating another without being dishonest or misrepresenting the situation--but some women allow themselves to be used as a shill to lure submissives into scenes that they would not have agreed to if they knew the full details, and this is Not Cool.




LAgirlsub -> RE: The sub/slave version of the ‘top 5 annoying Mistress traits’… (5/6/2009 3:29:43 PM)

Wow ShakiSama, I've had it easy so far....In email, I ran into a male submissive (as if they should be emailing me regarding this - I apologize to the male subs who are nice guys, I can't seem to allow any males to email me) telling me I must webcam him, not naked as if this makes it acceptable, that he's ordered to do. If he was lying or not, still icky.

I guess I should be mindful that women can be a part of this behavior too. I seriously appreciate learning about all the potential pitfalls since I truly couldn't imagine doing this to anyone. I have not thought of all the ways to manipulate the situation.




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