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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/10/2009 12:02:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I hard-limited Gorean Lifestyle on my profile not because I disliked the books or the "philosophy," but because 100% of the women I talked with who identified as Gorean-interested were emotionally unhealthy, mentally unstable, or interested in cybersex only. I've met a lot of women (and men Platonically for that matter) online-to-real, and there's no question that Goreans are the most caught up in wanking and fantasy world.

Judging by your comments, I'm rather certain that you have yet to meet a man or a woman that actually contemplates, nevermind applies the philosophical perspectives of the Gorean ideoligy to their daily lives.

While it's certain you may have met people that claim as much; it is my assertion that if it's important for you to comment in such a fashion in the future you challange them to provide you with substatial proof.

I'm willing to wager though, that any "Gorean" you might have encountered was simply an Online Romeo.

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/10/2009 12:47:17 PM

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-fast reply-

With all the discussion of what people think about the "Goreans" they have met I thought I'd throw the following out.
In other words I thought I'd make a quick post on how to recognize a Gorean offline.

1. You most likely can't tell them apart from the general public. The Free Women don't normally wear veils and such. Oh and I've never seen any of the men I know carrying a sword.

2. They won't beat you over the head with the fact they're Gorean either. None carry signs or wear tags.

3. In most cases, but not all they will seem to have some insane idea about doing things right at least from their perspective. Their sense of value might not reflect yours, but their consistency and fortitude might actually be noteworthy and admirable.

4. They have a tendency to come off as distant in the company of strangers; they might even be, brash or boorish to the standards of some. But you'll never wonder where you stand with a Gorean. Seldom will you discover false pretense or political correctness for the sake of superficial social grace.

5. They will have an extremely strong sense of community. They will and do take care of their own. If you want to test a "Goreans" authenticity observe his interaction with others that seems to be Gorean. NO "Gorean" is afforded a free pass among their own kind. It is a life where those that earn, receive.

6. A Gorean will have a lack of sympathy for those that seek pity and will have a strong sense of compassion where it is worthy.

7. An actual Gorean won't solicit mercy, sympathy or friendship. They will demonstrate uncommon pride and respect any and all men that assert their free nature and seek to stand sovereign as a man. Yet in saying that remember that Goreans are devoted community members.

8. Goreans love the small things in nature and contrary to popular online lore they love, and love things deeply. A stone and small handful of Mother Earth is more valued than all the wealth of a society.

9. You will detect unmatched confidence in even the youngest of Gorean men. Gorean men are not raised to feel shame for any quality that would be born to a man. They admire intellect, strength, honor, integrity, love, passion, compassion, harshness, mercy, beauty and most of all women. You see nature contrived that men would have woman and that woman would love man, that may not be the definition all others live by, but that is the reality of the Gorean; and no that does not mean that all Goreans see all females as slaves, or that they want all women to be slaves. This is certainly an online only role play concept. Those having taken the time to discern the concepts within the novels will understand this.

10. Finally we have what a site like this one concerns itself with most; the slave girl. Not all and in fact not that many that call themselves Gorean actually own a slave. Most I know have a Free Companion; I have a very beautiful one of these and she has trusted and believed in me for 24 years now. Some have slaves, I have one hese as well, she is my property and is treated as such, but taking into consideration all the 9 prior comments I have made do you really think that being the kajira to a Gorean man is all that terrible of a thing? You see the fastest way to spot the playtime Gorean is watching what his priority is when he discusses the lifestyle with you. If his first comment leads to the slave, you are most likely dealing with a "player".

I thought I’d just toss out a bit of food for thought to those that might be interested. I suspect that some of the Goreans out there might be able to add a bit to this and if anyone is interested, as was mentioned there is a forum that discuss those things Gorean.

Thanks…. I know return you to your regularly scheduled program….

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/10/2009 3:22:18 PM

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i dont get submissive men, on any level. i like many submissive males, have quite a few as close, personal friends, but the thought of touching most makes my skin crawl. that doesnt mean i lable them as poppycock or hogwash. their way just isnt my way.

I am a straight dominant man, and your close minded passive aggressive bigotry makes MY skin crawl.

This post is certainly the definition of irony...

Or so it might seem.

But then we all know that things are rarely as they seem.

Identifying myself as a straight dominant man was a matter of context, not irony. It would have been ironic if I had criticized her bigotry and than gone on to mention that I was a straight dominant man and the thought of touching a Gorean made my skin crawl.

That is, my initial point would have still been valid, but my own bigotry would have been ironic.

And while after reading your long posting to the subject at hand I find myself even more confused than before as to differentiating what is real and what is fantasy in terms of a real life application of this "philosophy"; if we were to meet over a beer I would be full of sincere questions and afterwards, even if I still did not agree or understand, I would gladly shake your hand when leaving, and the thought of which does not make my skin crawl one bit.

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/10/2009 3:24:42 PM

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Thank you for your post, Bull.

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/10/2009 3:37:56 PM

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~smiles

huge difference between shaking a hand... and submitting to a submissive male. ill leave you to figure that one out

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/10/2009 4:37:54 PM

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huge difference between shaking a hand... and submitting to a submissive male.

I had no idea that the word touch was code for submission. I can only imagine what a kiss or hug might mean in your world.

the thought of touching "most" makes my skin crawl. ( emphasis on most by me)

It doesn't make sense, in the context of your post, that you were referring to submitting, but honestly who cares, life is to short to continue this.

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/10/2009 5:30:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

OP, I'm glad it didn't ruffle your feathers. A lot of us who could be considered a sub culture of the BDSM culture (Victorian, Leather, you name it)

EXACTLY! I represent the vanilla sub culture of BDSM. I knew I had a niche somewhere.

To the original poster, I completely agree. While gor isn't for me either, as near as I can tell there's nothing particularly vile or nasty about it's slavery practices and the life-view that I hear associated with gor has a lot to recommend it. So for me, at least, it goes in the huge lump of "stuff that other people enjoy and I don't."

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/10/2009 7:39:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: Malkinius

Greetings Whiplashsmile4.....

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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4
Just the parts past the closet. Like I said I was around 14 years old at the time too. Wow, you make this first book sound more boring than what I even thought it was. I would find myself getting turned on by the Power/control aspects over 1/2 naked women and what i myself would end up doing. It was not Erotic per se in writting, but it gave me a lot to imagine if I had been Tarl. I would have been taking advantage of things a hell of a lot compared to him. Oh well... I was just a horney teenager getting turned on by the aspects of it all. Yeah, I really did masterbate to it some. However, the writting did not go where it needed to go for me. Did not get sexual enough for me, and the story line did not move me to great lenght. Hence why I only made it 3/4 of the way through the book. lol

Past the closet? Are you thinking of Narnia and the wardrobe?

Lets see....first it was 20 wanks in 20 pages then you couldn't read any more. Now it is 3/4 of the first book but you haven't a clue what was in there except that after the first 20 pages it wasn't masturbatory material at all? Hhhhmmm.....the story keeps changing and changing again. I have been around a while....more than most online. I have been having these...discussions...more times than I want to remember. People like you keep digging themselves deeper and deeper. Why not give up while you are behind?

Be well....

Malkinius

I'm starting to think my mind went a little Narian now. I actually found the first couple of chapters online to go back and read. Accckk... an excerise in self torment. I'm starting to question my own sanity. There was the part where his Dad pops through a sliding panel in the wall. Anyways, the whole camping thing, to the Dormroom mental images and yadda yadda. The whole description of things. The Difficulty capturing the full mental image of thing leading up to his trip to GOR.

There's something to the closet and it's annoying the HELL out of me. I only have access to so many chapters online and for the life of me. I'm wondering if it was him reflecting upon his life on Earth compared to Gor. My mind is like swiss cheese. The First couple of chapters good for refreshing my memory.

I sersiously think and agree I was going Narian here about it.. Wow, after nearly 20 years I revisit this Book.

Anybody know if you can get the whole book in electronic format online?

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/10/2009 8:32:13 PM

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http://store.fictionwise.com/servlet/mw?t=book&bi=761&si=37

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/10/2009 8:38:43 PM

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OP, I'm glad it didn't ruffle your feathers. A lot of us who could be considered a sub culture of the BDSM culture (Victorian, Leather, you name it)

EXACTLY! I represent the vanilla sub culture of BDSM. I knew I had a niche somewhere.

To the original poster, I completely agree. While gor isn't for me either, as near as I can tell there's nothing particularly vile or nasty about it's slavery practices and the life-view that I hear associated with gor has a lot to recommend it. So for me, at least, it goes in the huge lump of "stuff that other people enjoy and I don't."

Hello Jeff. My regards to your Carol.

We're actually not that far apart on the subject, believe it or not. We're both quite content in the way that this thing works for us. That's all that's really needed.

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/10/2009 10:10:08 PM

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The Gor concept could be fun, but it's turned into an online joke.

I'm in San Francisco, where just about every sexual amusement known to man is available. But not Gorean. I've never met anybody in the kink community who calls themself "Gorean", although many have read the books.

But in Second Life and on IRC, Gor has a big following. Not in the real world.

Personally, I always liked Norman's ideas for slave outfits. Some of them are quite original. Coquetry Clubwear has recently released some reasonably good Gorean outfits. See "http://coquetryclubwear.com/goreanslavesilks.aspx". Maybe real life demand is picking up. When they make it to Hot Topic, it's gone mainstream.

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/10/2009 11:30:56 PM

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Greetings Roughleather.....

I think you do see Goreans because Goreans don't go there. We are not part of the "lifestyle" after all.

Yes, we have seen the "Gorean Silks". We noticed them a long time ago. There used to be a larger selection and except for the camisks, the styles seem to be straight out of SecondLife. At least the prices are not too bad.

Be well....

Malkinius

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/11/2009 6:06:31 AM

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Good morning

This reply is not aimed at anyone in particular.

I must admit to being curious about all the hostility that is in this thread. Are people on the internet really so 'affected' by a label that someone chooses to place on themselves?

I am young; I have not had much experience in D/s, M/s or any of the other labels you may choose to place on a relationship dynamic. What's more, I have not had much experience in life, period. And what experience I do have, has shaped me to be the person I am today. Hopefully, tomorrow, I will have learned something new and useful; and that knowledge will add to my experiences :)

Knowledge is wonderful. Learning about people is a wonderful and enriching experience. The more a person learns, the better they are able to make informed choices concerning what is best for them. I fail to understand though, why a label would bring such hostility. Because, that's all it really is. A label to identify yourself online.

I am sure that no one goes to a stranger on the street, introduces themself, and then goes on to say 'I am Dominant, I am submissive, I am slave, I am Gorean". For the general population, such labels are not necessary; you are judged based on what kind of person you are, not what kind of label you use ( I am aware that in some circumstances, this would be untrue...dungeons, play parties, etc could of course, be the exception ).

Is it only because this IS online that the hostility is so apparant? Or does it really matter, in real life, what kind of label a person chooses to identify themselves with?

Truly curious.

Allison

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/11/2009 7:57:01 AM

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The fact is that we all have different choices to how we wish to live our lives, some people are into 50's household, some into victorian era, some people are into Gor, others into the whole Goth scene.

Gor is just one of many choices and options for people.
Some people love it, some people it's not for them.

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/11/2009 7:13:12 PM

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The internet provides anonymity and some protection, thus there are always going to be those who hide behind this and become abusive and insulting when if faced in real life with the same people will back down and in some cases crawl away with their tails between their legs like a whipped cur or as we'd say, like a dingo There are those too who will stand and confront the mud slingers and call them out. One disadvantage of the internet is that all to often people never meet physically and thus miss out on being able to watch someone in real life and allow that person to explain and demonstrate their choices and evaluate that choice.

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RE: To Gor or not to Gor... - 5/12/2009 5:25:19 AM

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The internet provides anonymity and some protection, thus there are always going to be those who hide behind this and become abusive and insulting when if faced in real life with the same people will back down and in some cases crawl away with their tails between their legs like a whipped cur or as we'd say, like a dingo There are those too who will stand and confront the mud slingers and call them out. One disadvantage of the internet is that all to often people never meet physically and thus miss out on being able to watch someone in real life and allow that person to explain and demonstrate their choices and evaluate that choice.

I will never understand the workings/reasons for such behavior.
Thank you for your attempt though

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