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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 10:32:43 AM   
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In my relationship, I cook, clean, buy the groceries, and serve Sir dinner. That is what I signed up for, and that is what i am happy doing. Now, if he decided to get me a maid, i certainly wouldn't be silly enough to say no - i don't like house work that much, but for me , it isn't any different than when i was living with my um's. Its just now, i get the additional perks of love and bdsm.

If you went into your relationship with the understanding that you would be responsible for the housework, then suck it up. Of course, my Sir is very appreciative of all i do, and says so, and routinely pats/pinches/squeezes me on the butt/boob/back, and that is enough for me.

There are times when i don't want to get up and get him a cup of coffee, but that is what our relationship understanding is, so i do, and don't make a  big deal of it. I respect and love this man - and just as important , he loves and respects me. And i think that the respect is the key to our relationship working.

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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 10:40:41 AM   
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the problem is the relationship was always like this from day go and i was happy with that untill a few months ago yet i still yern for it now, yet when i had it i couldnt

i guess the piont to my post is im curious has anybody ever gone thrugh this? does love change things? does a Master love his slave differently to how he could love a free woman?
is BDSM love diiferent to that of vannila?>


seems that u knew what he was about prior to or at the onset of the relationship.  why did u stay? was it the allure of bdsm or the allure of ur Master? perhaps this is where the aspect of ur "love" came in...hoping to change him from what u knew him to be at the beginning. love changes things when people use it as a tool for change.

i do not believe that their are different forms of love, be it vanilla or bdsm...just the dynamics of the relationship to which that love applies. sensual, romantic, erotic, agape, whatever it is still love.

just my opinion...


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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 1:17:07 PM   
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Greetings hunnibunni.....

From your description you are wanting the standard modern male as a Mister, not a Master. Per your profile you are young enough to not have nearly as much knowledge or experience as people who have been doing this for years or decades. You still have a lot of learning and living to do even if you do become someone's slave.

If you want equality and someone sharing the workload, you don't want to be a slave. You really really don't want to be a Gorean's slave. You may be better off sticking to being a sub and enjoying some dominance and bedroom play but otherwise living a normal, mundane life. The whole husband, 2.5 kids, flower garden, whatever you think happiness with someone else is.

If you become a slave, your happiness doesn't matter. What you want doesn't matter. What you want to do or don't want to do and when you do or don't want to do or not do it doesn't matter. You don't matter. When you are ready for that level of obedience and service, think hard about it then run like hell the other way. Only return to it if you can't do and be anything else. Otherwise you will be unhappy and will make other people unhappy.

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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 1:21:34 PM   
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this isnt about cleaning tghis is oen certain aspect someone zoomed in on earlier and explained it to them.


i was ignored all day long as far he was concerned i could have keeled over and died and he wouldnt take on bit of notice for instance the fonal straw was i fell on a  spilage in the living room from his drink by the way i had hard fall right down he walked over me  later that night   he was horny so i was the slave that he loved and cherished so i was to furfill my slavery duities

to me if u loved someone u would have picked them up maybe helped them see if they were ok even asked?  

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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 1:30:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hunnibunni09

this isnt about cleaning tghis is oen certain aspect someone zoomed in on earlier and explained it to them.


i was ignored all day long as far he was concerned i could have keeled over and died and he wouldnt take on bit of notice for instance the fonal straw was i fell on a  spilage in the living room from his drink by the way i had hard fall right down he walked over me  later that night   he was horny so i was the slave that he loved and cherished so i was to furfill my slavery duities

to me if u loved someone u would have picked them up maybe helped them see if they were ok even asked?  

Good afternoon

I think that you perhaps missed the point that was being made.
Malkinus was simply stating that by identifying as a slave, you are not entitled to have your wants fulfilled. Basically, your happiness is dependant upon your owners whims.

If this is not something that 'sits well' with you, then perhaps you should instead change your 'designation' from slave to something that fits your personality better?

Just my opinion is all


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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 1:31:10 PM   
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i guess the piont to my post is im curious has anybody ever gone thrugh this? does love change things? does a Master love his slave differently to how he could love a free woman?
is BDSM love diiferent to that of vannila?>

the way i can describe what it felt like is that my body and mind loved it  but in the end my heart was hurting      yet the nature and generally nothing in the relationship had ever changed. (quote from OP)

adjustment to love in an Ms relationship can get confusing unless you manage to keep in focus what the dynamic is all about.  ive read youre post a few times and im not going to attempt to read between the lines, im just going to respond to what you wrote. 

you talk about rows, about starting to resent stuff and get confused about his rules and refusals.  and yet you entered this dynamic as his slave.  you were getting youreself confused with the mainstream notion of love and relationships and this lifestyle.  in this lifestyle as a slave you dont row, you do what is expected of you within the remit of youre dynamic.

yes, there are times when ive hurt, when ive wondered how he could do or say something that did not reflect how i feel about him - and then i remind myself of the position i have taken in his life and i suck it up.  first and foremost i am his slave and when something gets hard to swollow i remind myself of that and its then easier to deal with.

i dont think emotions suddenly get a refit when you enter an Ms relationship. love still means love.  what you got confused with was youre idea of how lovers should be and how an Ms dynamic often is.  youre Master took you on because yes, he fell in love with you, but also because he desired you to be his property, his owned and valued slave who would serve him in the ways that he wished to be served.

i think you thought that with love in the mix he should have been more mainstream in his treatment of you.  why should he when he had made it clear he wanted you as his slave - his love wouldnt diminish in any way, infact probably it would strengthen as youre enslavement and his position in youre life grew.



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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 1:33:41 PM   
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hunni, you are right- this was not an issue about cleaning.
Seems to me you were unsure of what you signed on for; perhaps due to a lack of experience, immaturity, or just infatuation with either the man or the dynamic.
I would guess that he was not a teribly experienced Dom, either?
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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 1:36:26 PM   
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Yes, absolutely you would! Hell, love aside, any half decent Dom would be sure you were ok.

The guy sounds like a right canute. You're well rid of him.

To answer the question in your original post, no we're not all like that, it IS possible...VERY possible, even desirable, to love between Master and slave. For us, it's the ultimate expression of our commitment to one another. I own, she obeys. it's not a role we play, it's us. I love her for the slave she is and she loves me for the Master I am.

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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 1:39:22 PM   
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quote:

adjustment to love in an Ms relationship can get confusing unless you manage to keep in focus what the dynamic is all about. ive read youre post a few times and im not going to attempt to read between the lines, im just going to respond to what you wrote.

you talk about rows, about starting to resent stuff and get confused about his rules and refusals. and yet you entered this dynamic as his slave. you were getting youreself confused with the mainstream notion of love and relationships and this lifestyle. in this lifestyle as a slave you dont row, you do what is expected of you within the remit of youre dynamic.

yes, there are times when ive hurt, when ive wondered how he could do or say something that did not reflect how i feel about him - and then i remind myself of the position i have taken in his life and i suck it up. first and foremost i am his slave and when something gets hard to swollow i remind myself of that and its then easier to deal with.

i dont think emotions suddenly get a refit when you enter an Ms relationship. love still means love. what you got confused with was youre idea of how lovers should be and how an Ms dynamic often is. youre Master took you on because yes, he fell in love with you, but also because he desired you to be his property, his owned and valued slave who would serve him in the ways that he wished to be served.

i think you thought that with love in the mix he should have been more mainstream in his treatment of you. why should he when he had made it clear he wanted you as his slave - his love wouldnt diminish in any way, infact probably it would strengthen as youre enslavement and his position in youre life grew.

Very well stated

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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 1:40:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lally2

i think you thought that with love in the mix he should have been more mainstream in his treatment of you.  why should he when he had made it clear he wanted you as his slave - his love wouldnt diminish in any way, infact probably it would strengthen as youre enslavement and his position in youre life grew.




Lally makes an excellent point here.  While the slave idea may have been fun when you were "playing make believe", once in real life, you fell in love, and the relationship did not evolve as you had expected.
Herein lies the difference in satisfaction.
The folks who live by the "you are what you do" theory find themselves in a role and try to fit their hardwired personalities into that role.
You can't change your hardwiring.
The folks who live the "you do what you are" way know the soul they were hardwired to be (Master, slave, sub, you name it) and choose to "do" in a situation appropriate to that hardwiring.
Hope this offers a little more clarity, perhaps?
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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 1:54:23 PM   
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Greetings hunnibunni

Your profile says you are looking to get into the Gorean lifestyle. kazza is sorry to sound harsh but if you are you had best get used to doing all the work around the house because that's what we Gorean slaves do. We have no expectations of our Master helping out although it "may" happen - don't count on it.  We aren't allowed as much leiway as submissives and we tend to have much less of a say in what we will and will not do,j in fact the tendency is to have none at all once owned.  "But that's not faaair" is unlikely to be said by a Gorean slave, even if it isn't. kazza suggests thinking hard before starting down the road to being a Gorean slave, it is not by any means an easy life. If you want to know more please feel free to CMail her and she will be happy to answer your questions.

As for love, well it may happen but it's unlikely it will be of the romantic love type. For kazza that is the icing on the cake but she has no expectations of it happening, her joy is in serving a man in the way he requires.  Serving a Gorean man and kneeling at his feet are what drive her, what she craves.

she wishes you well,

kazza

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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 1:57:42 PM   
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I don;t think most people sign up for slavery expecting that if they get hurt the owner will step over them and not pay any attention to them until he wanted sex. Most decent people of whatever orientation will check on their partner and call an ambulance if needed. This guy didn't.

She wasn't safe with him. He didn't believe in taking care of his property.

And I'm sorry, people enter into these relationships expecting to be happy in them, nobody signs up saying that they understand they will work outside the home 10 hours a day and in it 4 hours a day and still be excited about sex when they are weeping with exhaustion.

However she's 19 and I have to assume her screening skills aren't very good and that her ex hasn't any relationship skills either.

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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 2:03:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I don;t think most people sign up for slavery expecting that if they get hurt the owner will step over them and not pay any attention to them until he wanted sex. Most decent people of whatever orientation will check on their partner and call an ambulance if needed. This guy didn't.

She wasn't safe with him. He didn't believe in taking care of his property.

And I'm sorry, people enter into these relationships expecting to be happy in them, nobody signs up saying that they understand they will work outside the home 10 hours a day and in it 4 hours a day and still be excited about sex when they are weeping with exhaustion.

However she's 19 and I have to assume her screening skills aren't very good and that her ex hasn't any relationship skills either.

I understand what you are saying; however, it still is not the point. If she is going into a relationship, claiming to be one thing; and expecting something different; then yes, she is going to be extremely disappointed.
I am not 'condoning or berating' what happened, I am an outsider, I know not the real facts of their relationship. However, if she is claiming to be a Gorean slave, then she should understand the demands that are placed on her, and not expect an owner to change them just 'because she wants them to be changed'.

AS you said though, her age and lack of knowledge are what led to this.

Everyone is different, everyone looks for something different in a relationship; what's important is that you understand what that relationship would entail. She did not.


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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 2:26:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: hunnibunni09

this isnt about cleaning tghis is oen certain aspect someone zoomed in on earlier and explained it to them.


i was ignored all day long as far he was concerned i could have keeled over and died and he wouldnt take on bit of notice for instance the fonal straw was i fell on a  spilage in the living room from his drink by the way i had hard fall right down he walked over me  later that night   he was horny so i was the slave that he loved and cherished so i was to furfill my slavery duities

to me if u loved someone u would have picked them up maybe helped them see if they were ok even asked?  


And you still yearn for him?

If someone I DIDN'T like fell over, I'd help them up. That's got nothing to do with *love* and a lot to do with being a semi-decent human-being.

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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 2:33:53 PM   
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And you still yearn for him?

If someone I DIDN'T like fell over, I'd help them up. That's got nothing to do with *love* and a lot to do with being a semi-decent human-being.

agirl

That is not what she is upset about though. She is upset because she was ignored all day; not because she actually did fall over and was ignored.

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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 2:39:33 PM   
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Greetings hunnibunni.....

From your description you are wanting the standard modern male as a Mister, not a Master. Per your profile you are young enough to not have nearly as much knowledge or experience as people who have been doing this for years or decades. You still have a lot of learning and living to do even if you do become someone's slave.

If you want equality and someone sharing the workload, you don't want to be a slave. You really really don't want to be a Gorean's slave. You may be better off sticking to being a sub and enjoying some dominance and bedroom play but otherwise living a normal, mundane life. The whole husband, 2.5 kids, flower garden, whatever you think happiness with someone else is.

If you become a slave, your happiness doesn't matter. What you want doesn't matter. What you want to do or don't want to do and when you do or don't want to do or not do it doesn't matter. You don't matter. When you are ready for that level of obedience and service, think hard about it then run like hell the other way. Only return to it if you can't do and be anything else. Otherwise you will be unhappy and will make other people unhappy.

Be well....

Malkinius



Hello Malkinius,
Not to be argumentative, because I certainly respect your experience, etc... but the two statements that you made that I underlined above are a bit much I think.

If a girl is totally unhappy and is made to feel like she 'doesn't matter'... she will walk... unless she is totally lacking in self esteem.   

I would rephrase it to say, if you are a slave, your happiness is primarily derived from your owner's happiness.  The primary thing that drives your own happiness and sense of value, is making your owner happy and knowing that he finds you pleasing and valuable in your service to him.       The slavegirl, i think, finds her true happiness in hearing 'good girl', seeing that smile on her owner's face and knowing in her heart that He finds her pleasing to Him.    Of course, if he is just 'some guy' and not a Man who inspires her to serve him fully with grace and fire, she will probably find herself perhaps content at best, but rather hollow and uninspired.  If the latter is the case, i can see where she might start looking to her own selfish needs for happiness.    That wouldn't be so much because she is not a slave, but perhaps, because she is serving the wrong Master for her.

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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 2:48:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I don;t think most people sign up for slavery expecting that if they get hurt the owner will step over them and not pay any attention to them until he wanted sex. Most decent people of whatever orientation will check on their partner and call an ambulance if needed. This guy didn't.

She wasn't safe with him. He didn't believe in taking care of his property.

And I'm sorry, people enter into these relationships expecting to be happy in them, nobody signs up saying that they understand they will work outside the home 10 hours a day and in it 4 hours a day and still be excited about sex when they are weeping with exhaustion.

However she's 19 and I have to assume her screening skills aren't very good and that her ex hasn't any relationship skills either.


That was my whole point- it sounded as if niether of them were terribly experienced in the realities of the relationship.
I don't think *either* of them knew what they "signed up for", and it showed.
For her, in her naïveté , and him in his boorish behavior.
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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 2:53:30 PM   
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BDSM  is not the definition of a relationship, it merely defines the framework----once you drop in real breathing people--all bets are off and the work is no different.

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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 2:59:21 PM   
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If you want equality and someone sharing the workload, you don't want to be a slave. You really really don't want to be a Gorean's slave. You may be better off sticking to being a sub and enjoying some dominance and bedroom play but otherwise living a normal, mundane life. The whole husband, 2.5 kids, flower garden, whatever you think happiness with someone else is.

Actually, in my D/s dynamic(and of most other D/s relationships, i know), there is still the understanding that the s/type isn't an equal partner, and that they are required to follow and obey orders put in place by their Dominant partner. That is different from the "bedroom only" submission, or Top/bottom only relationships.

Most submissive partners i know are required to serve, obey, and be pleasing...we're really not so different.

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RE: different loves? - 5/17/2009 3:39:11 PM   
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    i went through what you are going through...For me personally it is a matter of balance.  My Master owns me but he also appreciates me.  i do alot for Him.  He does alot for me.  He can be incredibly romantic and then be incredibly sadistic  the next moment.  If you feel used and unappreciated, you are either not in the right relationship or not ready to be a slave.  It isn't always easy but it is what i chose and it fulfills me.  Get to know yourself and get to know any prospective Masters well.  Try to look at what you are going through as a learning experience and don't get down on yourself.  When you find the right one, it all falls into place.

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