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ORIGINAL: Malkinius
You are right...up to a point. There is no "One True Way". BDSM is all about doing it your own way no matter how stupid...or not. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not something is based on a work of fiction. The only thing that makes something a work of fiction is that parts of it didn't really happen and are made up by the author. That doesn't change any underlying message in the work. I know you will have many people argue about your idea that all relationships in books are not close to reality....and no, don't get me started on romance novels, I don't read them with extreme prejudice.
Actually, while a work of fiction may have historical realities, it is fiction because the characters didn't exist. All works of fiction do not contain a "message." That is an argument for symbolism in literature and really has no place on this thread. I chose romance novels for no other reasons than the main characters always end up together in the end.
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I will take the risk of letting them think there is only one way to do something over damage and death any day. The repercussions are much less. Let me remind you of all the "BDSM Lifestylers" who pound the SSC and RACK and all the other acronyms they have come up with to keep people from being hurt and to sound to the mundane world like they are really not doing anything that anyone should object to. Then come back and talk to me about no "One True Way." I have heard and read the politically correct BDSM party line so many times I can quote it. One of the things that sets the Goreans who live it as a moral and ethical way of living apart from most of the BDSM world and anyone who is 'politically correct' is that we take responsibility for what we do. If I harm someone or let them come to harm on my watch, it is my responsibility. If I step into something it becomes my responsibility to give the best advice I have in a way it will be remembered.
Your predjudice goes far beyond romance novels. If you honestly believe that Goreans are the only ones who take responsibilites for their actions or have cornered the market in the "moral and ethical" way of living, I'm sorry but you really should get out more and see the world around you. There are more people on this board who are NOT Gorean who are probably have more morals and ethics than you could ever hope to achieve. Insulting the community "at large" with the concept that you are better than everyone else is typically what turns people off of Gor to begin with and no, I do not intend to get into an argument over how Gor is truly such a wonderful thing if only the rest of us would open our minds to learn about it. You don't like romance novels, I don't like science fiction. By the way, in case you ever missed it, for those of us who also follow the bible, we learned ethics, morals and responsibility as well.
AS far as SSC and RACK are concerned they extend into all areas, including Gor and are based in the concept of not engaging in activities without knowing the potential positives and/or negatives of the activity. At no time have you ever given a single example of how making someone think there is one "true" way has protected them from damage or death. I would be interested to hear exactly how you might have achieved such a thing.
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You are missing the point of what is going on here, aren't you?
No, I haven't missed the point at all.
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Yes, the definition is important. It does reduce the amount of error and damage that happens to real people.
The definition does nothing to reduce the amount of damage that happens to real people. The definition is, whether you like it or not, a flluid thing that changes for the individuals involved. It is the people using their common sense, while often diminished due to an uncontrollable desire that protects them from damage.
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Too much of the BDSM world plays fast and loose with everything. It is full of people who make everything up as they go along including themselves.
I hate to break it to you, and I know that Goreans believe they aren't part of "our" world, but you are, and it has been my experience that they tend to play a lot looser than others.
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Just take a look at the profiles here and look at all the people complaining about the fakes and frauds. The people who claim anything and everything and are never able to follow up on it.
Yet, you are here jumping right on the "fake and fraud" bandwagon. Do you think people here are so stupid and ignorant that we won't recognize it if you put it in different terms?
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I do hate to tell you this, but yes, some to many slaves and some subs serve because of a need to serve. They don't do it out of love. They don't do it out of dominance. They do it because they must. I have owned such slaves. To think otherwise is to be as blind as the emailers you mentioned above.
They MUST because it is what makes them HAPPY. I really don't understand what part of that is unclear to you. They MUST serve because it is what fufills them. YOU as having been their owner are nothing more than the means to their fufillment. This is not saying that they didn't sometimes perform acts for you that they wouldn't enjoy or choose. And to be clear, I never said they did it out of "love." I said, that their serving was done because it is what is fufilling to them and gives them happiness. Someone doesn't CHOOSE to serve because you are a dominant, they CHOOSE because it gives them happiness. I guess in your world, all the slaves who are serving are unhappy and serving because someone else told them to do it. In the real world, you get prison time for that. Oh yea, and many of those serving another are in a loving, fulfiiling for both parties relationship. They are happy. They are, by all accounts lucky because each found the one that was right for them. But in the end, they all CHOSE to do it for their own personal, selfish reasons...their own happiness and fufillment. If that isn't the reason that they are serving, if it doesn't fufill them, they are in need of help and not the kind that "perfect Mr. Wonderful Master" is ever going to be able to provide.
Be well....
Malkinius
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