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Rule -> RE: Lesbians: Why do you hate transsexuals so much? (5/27/2009 4:15:26 AM)

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MissDominae -> RE: Lesbians: Why do you hate transsexuals so much? (5/27/2009 4:30:20 AM)

Thanks Rule .... computer illiteracy rears its ugly head once more~!

Blessings ...... Livvi




LaTigresse -> RE: Lesbians: Why do you hate transsexuals so much? (5/27/2009 7:18:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

just remember, finding a soulmate and love is not easy and normally not something that happens when we seek it and yearn for it....it smacks ya upside the head when you least expect it.....

dont forget to live life and enjoy every day in the mean time.  life IS good.

good luck


Very good advice. Many people live their entire life without ever finding a "soul mate". Yet they still manage to have wonderfully full and loving lives.




aravain -> RE: Lesbians: Why do you hate transsexuals so much? (5/27/2009 10:14:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

The only difference between a clinical social worker and a clinical psychologist is in the approach they use. Psychologists focus on the negative. Social workers concentrate on building on a person's strengths. From what I've read of the OP's posts throughout this thread, I think the social work approach would bring better results. 


So you (and every social worker I've ever met with) say...

Experience has proven much different than all the talk. Not only that, they've also been completely useless in dealing with anything more pressing than (situational, not clinical) depression.

Everything else I have to say on it, samboct has (and much better than I could).




philosophy -> RE: Lesbians: Why do you hate transsexuals so much? (5/27/2009 11:08:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: aravain

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

The only difference between a clinical social worker and a clinical psychologist is in the approach they use. Psychologists focus on the negative. Social workers concentrate on building on a person's strengths. From what I've read of the OP's posts throughout this thread, I think the social work approach would bring better results. 


So you (and every social worker I've ever met with) say...



...to be fair there is another difference. Clinical Social Workers have less training.......




ShellyD -> RE: Lesbians: Why do you hate transsexuals so much? (5/28/2009 7:43:33 AM)

quote removed as I didn't realise this thread had gone so long, it was a response to something in the early pages and not relevant now.




LaceMe -> RE: Lesbians: Why do you hate transsexuals so much? (10/14/2009 3:13:24 AM)

  OOoppps




DontLookBack -> RE: Lesbians: Why do you hate transsexuals so much? (10/14/2009 3:54:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Well- I dont understand trans.  Sorry.

I am not crazy over gay people....I have no interest in moving to a gay ghetto.   There is a self hate- and it can come out at various times.   I have known only 2 trans in my life.   Both were in a place mentally that- was where I could not develop a friendship.  Like- are you a man or a woman.  How do I act?    A woman that used to be a man is odd.  I like my penis and would not want it cut off.

Gays in general have a high rate of drinking- drugging, and sex.    gambling.     and suicide.

The preferred life style IS hetero sexual.  I don't have the need to change the world to be more fair. 

Gays are messed up.    But- when compared to straight people, straight people give it a run for the money in being messed up.

How I talk to a lady and how I talk to a male is different.   It simply is.

But then I get confused.... man woman, cut off the penis, hold the door open? refrain from vulgarity?   be curious or is that considered being nosy.

Of course- if you stand next to a person- you are banging that person.

Trans are messed up.  Gays are messed up.   and even the preferred lifestyle- Heterosexual  has a large amount of messed up losers there.

The wold isnt sure how to deal with a a trans. and it is totally frustrating to fake like I under stand- because I do not.

In terms of sticking  for gays; ...  dont.    Lets a good idea stand on its own weight.  Criticism can lead to improvement.

Candidly-  gays deserve to get a rap- on the messed up part. 

While I prefer to know the gender of the person,   i don't view things as sexual.     I take it the other direction.   I  could care less who does what in bed.   I don't want to be forced into bed- one way or the others- and  to me- while at the dentist- my concern is professional proficiency, not on if he wants to cut off his penis.   When I get my hair cut- I am not interested in what the cutter needs in bed.   


....here is a way to think of it.   Suppose my fly is down. I ram around out in the yard and at the store and people get a odd look about them.     What I dont need is someone to stick up for me.... I might need someone to alert me that my fly is down.  But maybe that pair of shorts the zipper is broke and I ignore that- and frollic about the town carefree and with glee.
-- at the end of the day- it is on me to improve my pants- or not.   Possibly face a ticket- scorn- cat calls- or ever a fist fight. 

Be ok with you- because when you gawk at me- and stare me down-  what you then see isn't quite me- but your own reflection of the insecurity that is per you....  not I.


Think of life as a vacation.   There are people who do so- making the pictures more important then the moment.  Rush to relax. I have to have it ALL.   Get a good picture.  Hurry up so we can see all the spots... but what if you get no pictures? a bad picture?   what if you had such a god time- you plum forgot to bring the camera.

...well guess what?   that is when you are in fact- then LIVING.

You could call it "zen"-

See?







I don't see this as a hateful post, I see this as a pull up your socks, face the world and hold your head up high post.

I think he was being honest and trying to explain to you why some people may come across as hating you when that is not necessarily the emotion they are feeling, one of my favorite quotes is "first seek to understand, then to be understood", I think his intentions were good and he tried to do you a service, hopefully after a good nights sleep you can reread this and see it from a different point of view.




MistressCamille -> RE: Lesbians: Why do you hate transsexuals so much? (10/14/2009 5:42:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Oh boy...OK so YOU admit having a horrible day, maybe just maybe you are responsible for your own feelings.  perhaps you are the one who needs to cut yourself some slack.

Wow, ten posts and you think everyone is against you.  What makes you so special?  Your post-op so what?  I do not know of 1 person on this site who has only received positive feedback from their posts. 

Dam I get crap all the time on here, either in a response or they send me a message to my profile.  So fucking what???  You're depressed, you're whatever...join the club sweety, if you read the posts on here you are not alone in any of your troubles.

It just depends on how YOU want to take it, you can either let it bring you down or you can just go about living your life knowing that everyone gets shit on at times and it has nothing to do with what gender you are or change to.  Because in this here country, everyone is free to hate who ever they want for whatever reasons they want.....but that does mean you have to listen to them or believe them....just move on with your life


When someone is clinically depressed it's not possible to "just move on with your life". I think a lot of people responding don't get that. I've been there and know what it's like.  I've also met a lot of transsexuals over the time I was a Pro Domme and although most were not nearly as far along as this OP is as far as making the change, I loved the part I played in making them feel at peace with themselves, looking into their eyes and seeing a woman inside once I've done the makeover.

DreamGoddess, I understand this is not about having a horrible day. Please know the responses aren't given to be hurtful, they just don't get it. And consider me a friend. Perhaps it is time to get new friends that know where your head is at. The old ones may or may not come around but in time you will forgive that and see they are only doing the best they know how even if it's hateful now.

First thing for you to do is deal with that depression even if it means medication for a time. Most allopathic remedies will only numb you and not make you feel happy but perhaps numb is good for a bit till you can get past some of this pain. However, use the meds as a tool for now and look past this time to when you can better deal with all this. Feel free to write me privately.




thornhappy -> RE: Lesbians: Why do you hate transsexuals so much? (10/14/2009 4:42:51 PM)

'twas a dead thread, come back to life for Halloween.




GreedyTop -> RE: Lesbians: Why do you hate transsexuals so much? (10/14/2009 11:46:12 PM)

ZOMBIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




HatesParisHilton -> RE: Lesbians: Why do you hate transsexuals so much? (10/15/2009 12:23:45 AM)

(cheers Pahunk with undead zombie pom poms, and btw, Halloween is a MASSIVE queer holiday in SF at least, sometimes in Sydney, always in Santa Cruz,so rah rah Queer Samhain!!!!)




DesFIP -> RE: Lesbians: Why do you hate transsexuals so much? (10/15/2009 10:15:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

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ORIGINAL: aravain

And, yeah, APA certification (especially for those with Gender Dysphoria of any type) is where you're gonna want to go, preferably with a degree in clinical psychology, NOT social work. Any other is not going to be able to tell the difference between TG "issues," and any other "issues" (which may be completely unrelated) such as unipolar depression, manic depression, or any others.



The only difference between a clinical social worker and a clinical psychologist is in the approach they use. Psychologists focus on the negative. Social workers concentrate on building on a person's strengths. From what I've read of the OP's posts throughout this thread, I think the social work approach would bring better results. 


There's several years more education and training in there as well. Which do make a difference. And makes it a lot more likely that they provide a correct diagnosis with which you then go seek medication for.

I know several psychiatrists who take as fact what a clinical psychologist diagnosis as the issue needing addressing. I know none who would even look at a social worker's.

Psychiatrists consider clinical psychologists as their partners in treatment, one does the medication, the other does the therapy and together stunning results can occur. They don't view a social worker in any way the same light.

And from  personal experience, I concur.




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