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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/25/2009 6:51:47 AM   
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Well as i have posted many times on this subject...i am absolutely against cyber! most of us if honest would admit we have tried this..like you stated some are perfectly happy with establishing and maintaining a cyber relationship which usually involves intense intimacy..and for the most part the parties involved are partaking in this because they have no intention of seeking real time...they are insecure...and live in a fantasy world behind the keyboard! i am old enough to know a world outside technology where folks had to meet in person, and be honest because they were face to face!
i have many on here that the first thing they chat about is their desires sexually..this is an indicator of where this persons mindset is..hell they dont even know my name and talk about sexual deatils all under the ospice of i am a D and you are a sub so submitt to me ...lol even though site unseen besides often a questionable pic!
It may piss others off on here that engage in this but i would never have a friend , much less a potential mate ..that would consider cybering as a viable resource in a relationship!
so good luck to all you cyber folks!
ree!  

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/25/2009 9:56:22 AM   
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CP,

there is something that can not be transmitted if you do not meet the person eventually. Although i had never the meeting and being surprised situation, as long i only write with people they stay ghostlike. Do not get me wrong i really like ghosts (thinking about "A chinese ghost story"), but they stay in that realm. Some ghosts are ghosts i like very much, like mnottertail or the.dark, but even they who are so expressive and clear stay that way.

A phone call changes a lot for me. As a singer my world is strongly defined by sound and i could not even have a
friendship with somebody who has a voice that scratches in my ear and head the wrong way.

But that last something is only transmitted via touch and i do not mean sexual touch. In my family it is usual to touch each other during conversations. It has a variety of reasons, but mostly it is to connect and get shortly another bridge between the people talking. As i meet people who are no members of my family, i was shocked to learn, that touching in Germany is very unusual during speaking. Luckily most of my friends are now also touchers or let me touch them. It is only a short touch with the tips of the fingers.

Because people stay ghostlike i could never seriously cyber.

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/25/2009 11:30:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Welcome back CP you have indeed been missed. 

I've had cyber relationships some of which were part of role playing too.. It does have it's uses as long as it is not used instead of hands on (the other party and not yourself) lol.

A few years ago I was having cyber sex with one girl whilst another was in reality giving me jolly good head. My cyber partner was also watching the performance on the webcam at the time. I very interesting threesome..


quote:

Welcome back CP you have indeed been missed.

I've had cyber relationships some of which were part of role playing too.. It does have it's uses as long as it is not used instead of hands on (the other party and not yourself) lol.

A few years ago I was having cyber sex with one girl whilst another was in reality giving me jolly good head. My cyber partner was also watching the performance on the webcam at the time. I very interesting threesome..


Bear,

You fortunate devil, I am running out of time to try that.

CP

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/25/2009 11:48:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: nevergrowdup

I used to cyber, but I couldn't get, uh, a happy ending from it.  Some of it is because, well, my hands are busy typing.  But even if they were free, sitting down in front of a computer is not a conducive way to get me there.  All that said, I'm not all about the big O ... and cyber can be fun just because it's a creative process and I can be pretty good at it.  (If there's a little role play, I must say I give an excellent cyber blow job.)  The trick seems to be (1) the right mood (as I have to like the person) and (2) finding a cyber partner with some skills.  Some are slow typists.  Some stop typing because their hands are otherwise occupied ... and then I don't see how they are reacting.  About 10% of the time it's great.  The other times, not so much.

Sad to admit this, but sometimes when I need an ego boost I'll do it for validation.  People seem to appreciate my skills, and sometimes I need to feel worthwhile.


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I used to cyber, but I couldn't get, uh, a happy ending from it. Some of it is because, well, my hands are busy typing. But even if they were free, sitting down in front of a computer is not a conducive way to get me there. All that said, I'm not all about the big O ... and cyber can be fun just because it's a creative process and I can be pretty good at it. (If there's a little role play, I must say I give an excellent cyber blow job.) The trick seems to be (1) the right mood (as I have to like the person) and (2) finding a cyber partner with some skills. Some are slow typists. Some stop typing because their hands are otherwise occupied ... and then I don't see how they are reacting. About 10% of the time it's great. The other times, not so much.

Sad to admit this, but sometimes when I need an ego boost I'll do it for validation. People seem to appreciate my skills, and sometimes I need to feel worthwhile.


never,

The transformation between the cyber mental state and the real time state is often very slender. Validation?? I think not but exploration is a possibility. Thanks for your input.

CP

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/25/2009 6:23:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: marie2

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince


marie,

Not to argue, but if you had asignificant other that decided that he/she wanted to interact on a cyber bassis, you would say NO?

CP


I don't see discussion and questions as argumentative.  I would be happy to answer.

I think it all depends...If I knew the person in realtime and for some reason we had to do some of our communicating/interacting in cyber land, no this wouldn't be a problem for me at all.  It's no different than talking on the phone etc.   But if you mean cyber sex....Yes, this would be a problem for me, as I would feel weird....I would not do good with cyber sex.  I feel just as odd with phone sex, which by the way I have tried in the past, and it just doesn't work for me.  This is not to put others down who enjoy this type of thing, I'm just saying it doesn't work for me.

On the other hand...I've had friendships that only existed in cyber but that's different to me than having a relationship with a significant other that existed ONLY in cyber.  Again, I see nothing wrong with these types of relationships, and I don't put one over the other (cyber vs realtime).  I think if you're (generic) looking for a cyber affair then having a cyber affair beats realtime.  And if you're looking for realtime in the flesh, then a cyber affair isn't going to be enough for you.  Again, it all comes down to what someone is happy/comfortable with.

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I don't see discussion and questions as argumentative. I would be happy to answer.

I think it all depends...If I knew the person in realtime and for some reason we had to do some of our communicating/interacting in cyber land, no this wouldn't be a problem for me at all. It's no different than talking on the phone etc. But if you mean cyber sex....Yes, this would be a problem for me, as I would feel weird....I would not do good with cyber sex. I feel just as odd with phone sex, which by the way I have tried in the past, and it just doesn't work for me. This is not to put others down who enjoy this type of thing, I'm just saying it doesn't work for me.

On the other hand...I've had friendships that only existed in cyber but that's different to me than having a relationship with a significant other that existed ONLY in cyber. Again, I see nothing wrong with these types of relationships, and I don't put one over the other (cyber vs realtime). I think if you're (generic) looking for a cyber affair then having a cyber affair beats realtime. And if you're looking for realtime in the flesh, then a cyber affair isn't going to be enough for you. Again, it all comes down to what someone is happy/comfortable with.


marie,

now see with all that additional verbage I clearly see your point.

CP

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/25/2009 7:00:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: antipode

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but those that can are fortunate as a fill in until realtime can happen.


That is not how cybersex is defined. Cybersex is instead of, i.e., having a fully online or otherwise remote relationship, in which the 60-to-70% of non-verbal communication that defines (scientifically) standard human interaction is fully absent. If you begin including variants like cyber-leading-to-real, or real-leading-to-cyber, or cyber-within-real, the conversation becomes entirely meaningless.


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That is not how cybersex is defined. Cybersex is instead of, i.e., having a fully online or otherwise remote relationship, in which the 60-to-70% of non-verbal communication that defines (scientifically) standard human interaction is fully absent. If you begin including variants like cyber-leading-to-real, or real-leading-to-cyber, or cyber-within-real, the conversation becomes entirely meaningless.


antipode, Well perhaps I can apply a bell curve to the variable and determin Standard Deviation Tables to them.

CP

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/25/2009 10:02:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

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i'm a hedonist. Why not have it all?
i love messaging hot words. i love using a web cam and showing my tits, ass and shoes....yes shoes.
i love seeing a dom jack off. i love hearing a dom jack off...telephone sexual bdsm drives a girl like me wild. sticking needles in for him, writing erotica and sending and receiving mail. i'll take the telephone to the toilet if he's wanting to train me there.
Such prudes...is this a Homes and Gardens site or wtf?


quote:

FR

i'm a hedonist. Why not have it all?
i love messaging hot words. i love using a web cam and showing my tits, ass and shoes....yes shoes.
i love seeing a dom jack off. i love hearing a dom jack off...telephone sexual bdsm drives a girl like me wild. sticking needles in for him, writing erotica and sending and receiving mail. i'll take the telephone to the toilet if he's wanting to train me there.
Such prudes...is this a Homes and Gardens site or wtf?


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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/26/2009 5:33:20 AM   
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*shrugs*

Cyber has it's place and times to be useful. Then there are times when it's a no-go for me. I have cyber-friends that are strictly platonic that I wouldn't be able to keep in touch with if it wasn't for various forms of online communications like IM's and email. If it's agreed upon by 2 parties in a relationship (however they define that "relationship" or if it's a one-off, pun intended, time) then that's great. Where I have issues with it is when it gets carried to cyber-sex by one of the partners with a third person, without the knowledge of the partner and against the agreed-upon strict mutual monogamy. Also when it starts to interfere with your live sex lives and one person prefers cybering over the real deal. If there are issues in the relationship, they should be talked about with the partner, not ignored or swept under the carpet while wanking on the computer.

Yes, I have strong feelings on it. I see it as a form of cheating (seeking sexual pleasure with another person outside of your agreed-upon relationship dynamics without discussing it with your partner and hiding/denying it) but if open and honest about it and why a person is looking for it, it could be a tool of communication. Meh, I'm also honest enough to know that I've had a bad personal experience with it, where I was in a relationship with a Dominant who absolutely insisted that the only way he'd be in a LTR was with strict mutual monogamy to the point of where I wasn't even allowed to say "Hi, how's the weather there?" to another Dominant, male or female, yet I would find him staying up late, refusing to have sex or saying he wasn't in the "mood" yet "chatting" and cybering while watching porn. Kinda blew it for me.....

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/26/2009 6:40:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: peppermint

There is nothing wrong with cyber relationships.  As others have said I have many friends I have never met face to face.  We still share birthday cards.  We cry on each others' shoulders in times of sadness.  The internet is a new way of communicating with others.  On Collarme when a Dom and sub are having problems everyone always tells them to communicate.  It doesn't matter that the internet is a fairly new way of communication.  It does the job.  It works. 

I had a cyber D/s relationship.  It worked quite well.  At the time I could not do face to face for personal reasons.  I found support online.  He helped me when I thought my world was caving in.  He provided structure in my life.  When he was no longer needed, he left.  Yes it hurt when he left.  As I had been told, a cyber relationship is as real as our minds will let it be, and hurts just as much as a real time relationship when it ends. 

Welcome Back, CP, Sir!!!  I was wondering where you had gone.  Good to see your pixels posting again.  Did you see that the old haunt is now closed?  I went there one day to do my several times a year peek, and it was all gone...all the posts, all the pictures, all the conference notes.  It made me sad.  It's where my journey started and my first tentative questions were asked. 

pepper,

Huggs to you girl, It is so nice to see one from the old haunts from CS that predates here on CM. Indeed the handwriting was on the wall back in 2003 when CS started closing and consolidating forums in order to save bandwidth; but the real clues came when Net Scape [CS] could not keep up with internet changes and the modifications necessary to reach certain sites. That CS is still in business is the big surprise to me.

Your second paragraph I think sums it up very well, a cyber relationship is as real as our minds will let it be..

Thanks for your comments.

CP


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There is nothing wrong with cyber relationships. As others have said I have many friends I have never met face to face. We still share birthday cards. We cry on each others' shoulders in times of sadness. The internet is a new way of communicating with others. On Collarme when a Dom and sub are having problems everyone always tells them to communicate. It doesn't matter that the internet is a fairly new way of communication. It does the job. It works.

I had a cyber D/s relationship. It worked quite well. At the time I could not do face to face for personal reasons. I found support online. He helped me when I thought my world was caving in. He provided structure in my life. When he was no longer needed, he left. Yes it hurt when he left. As I had been told, a cyber relationship is as real as our minds will let it be, and hurts just as much as a real time relationship when it ends.

Welcome Back, CP, Sir!!! I was wondering where you had gone. Good to see your pixels posting again. Did you see that the old haunt is now closed? I went there one day to do my several times a year peek, and it was all gone...all the posts, all the pictures, all the conference notes. It made me sad. It's where my journey started and my first tentative questions were asked.

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/26/2009 8:19:11 AM   
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it works for some and they enjoy it. i would never consider a cyber exclusive relationship and see online discussions as a means to an end. it is a tool and one that can lead to something outside of this medium. however, when that occurred the relating would be completely based offline unless distance was a factor and even then it is unlikely i'd be stationed in front of a screen conversing.

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/26/2009 8:29:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince
Your second paragraph I think sums it up very well, a cyber relationship is as real as our minds will let it be.

I'm actually extremely glad that cybersex doesn't feel as "real" to me as doing things in person. My very limited experience with it so far has been both negative and unconsensual. I get annoyed, but not as scared, upset, or hurt as if they had tried to actually do those things to me face to face when we met. The first time it happened was on an online text-based game, many years ago, and I hunted down and killed the character of the guy who emoted at me that he was fucking me. I've had a few guys get too pushy in IM's or e-mails here and on a previous BDSM-oriented site, and it was real enough to be obnoxious, but not enough to be traumatising.

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/26/2009 11:13:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: marysdream

Well as i have posted many times on this subject...i am absolutely against cyber! most of us if honest would admit we have tried this..like you stated some are perfectly happy with establishing and maintaining a cyber relationship which usually involves intense intimacy..and for the most part the parties involved are partaking in this because they have no intention of seeking real time...they are insecure...and live in a fantasy world behind the keyboard! i am old enough to know a world outside technology where folks had to meet in person, and be honest because they were face to face!
i have many on here that the first thing they chat about is their desires sexually..this is an indicator of where this persons mindset is..hell they dont even know my name and talk about sexual deatils all under the ospice of i am a D and you are a sub so submitt to me ...lol even though site unseen besides often a questionable pic!
It may piss others off on here that engage in this but i would never have a friend , much less a potential mate ..that would consider cybering as a viable resource in a relationship!
so good luck to all you cyber folks!
ree!  

quote:

Well as i have posted many times on this subject...i am absolutely against cyber! most of us if honest would admit we have tried this..like you stated some are perfectly happy with establishing and maintaining a cyber relationship which usually involves intense intimacy..and for the most part the parties involved are partaking in this because they have no intention of seeking real time...they are insecure...and live in a fantasy world behind the keyboard! i am old enough to know a world outside technology where folks had to meet in person, and be honest because they were face to face!
i have many on here that the first thing they chat about is their desires sexually..this is an indicator of where this persons mindset is..hell they dont even know my name and talk about sexual deatils all under the ospice of i am a D and you are a sub so submitt to me ...lol even though site unseen besides often a questionable pic!
It may piss others off on here that engage in this but i would never have a friend , much less a potential mate ..that would consider cybering as a viable resource in a relationship!
so good luck to all you cyber folks!
ree!


marysdream,

Never was the term "to each his own" more appropriate.
Why I endorse it, it is recognition that so few epople can bend their mind into it. It takes a certain mindset of acceptance that most folks simply do not possess. That does not make them inferior in any way at all; just not accepting of it as you are.
I have not endulged in it myself for a number of years and that is because I simply have not felt anyone that I have met on line could lend themselves to it; and I always see it a precursor to a real time meet at a minimum; and sometimes that goes awry.

CP

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/26/2009 12:15:01 PM   
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I've never tried cyber.

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/26/2009 8:54:31 PM   
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I wouldn't know how to avoid cyber relationships or e-dating when it comes to the BDSM world.
I live in Los Angeles, where it isn't much of a challenge to find others who dabble in the lifestyle, let alone are kinky, but for someone who is extremely picky, it seems like the only way to weed out potential later-in-life RL buddays.

And chances are, it'll take months or more usually to feel completely comfortable enough with someone to make the transformation from OL to RL.

And besides, aren't we all on collarme?

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/27/2009 12:41:28 PM   
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I have been a long-time advocate of the possibilities to be found forming relationships in cyberspace.  Done well they can be very fulfilling, and there is far more to them than simply the sex or the play, although for anyone with enough imagination, that can be very rewarding also.  The shared world in which these relationships take place is something very much akin to what is shared between actors and audience in a theater, and all it takes is the willing suspension of disbelief to live out fantasies that would never be possible in this thing we call reality. 

I have only one slave who lives with me 24/7 and she is also my wife, though we are open to the prospect of bringing others into our lives and our home.  Our circumstances, and those of the people we interact with, have not yet made that happen for us.  As I am sure most of you are aware, finding the right person is often a very daunting task. 

However I have a fine and productive (yes, that is right.. productive) household in the virtual world.  We share a great deal and benefit from the experience in ways that impact every aspect of our lives.  Why have we not gone to the next level, you may ask?  Well the members of my household are all married with family situations that are not conducive to just pulling up stakes and moving to be together.  Not a one of us are 'cheating.'  We do not have to hide our activities from our spouses, and in fact they support our involvement in this virtual family we have created. 

We do not let the fact that we are separated (some of us in different countries) keep us from enjoying what we are able to share online.  Love knows no bounds.

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/27/2009 12:44:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince


Prinsexx,

Roars; now that is candor!

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/27/2009 1:23:31 PM   
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I have never had a cyber relationship, nor have plans to do so. I have met people who have and some it worked and some it didn't. There is no reason for me to make a case for or against cyber.


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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/27/2009 1:30:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: oceanwinds

I have never had a cyber relationship, nor have plans to do so. I have met people who have and some it worked and some it didn't. There is no reason for me to make a case for or against cyber.



Though I am not keen on derailing threads, I am going to do it anyway.. or at least make an off-topic comment...

I find these types of posts to threads terribly interesting in one particular respect.. here is a comment that is made specifically to say "no comment."  So why not simply refrain from commenting?  Might be worth some self-examination.  Jus' sayin.


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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/27/2009 2:15:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Maxwell67

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ORIGINAL: oceanwinds

I have never had a cyber relationship, nor have plans to do so. I have met people who have and some it worked and some it didn't. There is no reason for me to make a case for or against cyber.



Though I am not keen on derailing threads, I am going to do it anyway.. or at least make an off-topic comment...

I find these types of posts to threads terribly interesting in one particular respect.. here is a comment that is made specifically to say "no comment."  So why not simply refrain from commenting?  Might be worth some self-examination.  Jus' sayin.



Simply, I am in one of my chatty moods. That is why. No need for self -examination.

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RE: The Case for and Against Cyber - 6/27/2009 5:53:19 PM   
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I seen this post and HAD TO REPLY to it. I answered this question so many time on Collarme before, I am going to keep this short. There is so much NEGATIVE about it, here. I didn't even read any of the posts on this thead, because it is always the same thing.

If CYBER is all you can do, because of a dead area, (like south Jersey), then go for it. I have done it, and it did lead to RT sessions. I admit it isn't for everyone, but it is like life, You make it what you want.

As I said in the past, I had some female Mistresses, Switches and what ever, email me or chat on Yahoo. They would tell me what to do, and if it wasn't a Hard Limit, I would do it. I could of easilly told them I had done the chore, and not do it, but what fun is that. It would be a waste of my time and theirs. It would be like cheating, myself and them. 

So that is why I have NO PROBLEM with CYBER. You get out of it, what you put into it. And if that is all you have, or if it can lead to RT, then all the better.

Missing it badly, sub BalletBob

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